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FC, Ukrainian Nazi Collaboration during WW2 → Ukrainian-German collaboration during World War II, 23 December 2006, moved, discussions 1 and 2
RM, Ukrainian collaborationism with the Axis powers → Ukrainian collaboration with Nazi Germany, 18 March 2018, moved, discussion

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Distribution of responsibilities between the various ethnic groups

In this last modification,[1] a user added "including ethnic Russians, Tatars, and others," to the phrase: "Ukrainians who collaborated with the Nazi Germany did so in various ways including participating in the local administration, in German-supervised auxiliary police, Schutzmannschaft, in the German military, and serving as Nazi concentration camps|concentration camp guards.".

The article is full of sources that speak of Ukrainian collaboration because ethnic Ukrainians were the most hostile to the Soviet government. Instead, after this modification, the collaboration is shown as equal between the various ethnic groups that made up Ukraine. Either the percentages of the population of the various ethnic groups that collaborated with the Nazis are given, or this sentence for me should be removed. Mhorg (talk) 16:34, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The RS, Snyder, specifically says that the collaborators were ethnically mixed.--Aristophile (talk) 16:44, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnically mixed does not mean that proportions were equal. I personally don't think the numbers are worth chasing down but I do agree that we should do so if someone is going to want to say that everybody did it. I would expect a correlation between signups and the presence of nationalist movements fwiw. Elinruby (talk) 02:30, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What about Romania?

Romania also occupied Soviet Ukraine. Would anyone oppose adding a section about collaboration with Romania and then maybe renaming the article accordingly? Like "collaboration with the Axis" or "collaboration with Nazi Germany and Romania"? Transylvania1916 (talk) 19:18, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would object. A separate article titled Romanian collaboration with Nazi Germany would be a better idea. There's plenty of material available for a start class article.--FeralOink (talk) 21:34, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am removing the references needed tag

This article is very important historically. It is highly visible in Google's search results, number one for most queries. I am removing the references needed tag from the lead and placing it further down in the article, where it is more appropriate. FeralOink (talk) 21:36, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New research should be included

Thanks for this famous article. There is a lot of research available, that should be included. I am missing main newer researches on this topic

John-Paul Hhimka: Ukrainian Nationalists and the Holocaust (2021) I am just reading it

Per Anders Rudling: The OUN, the UPA and the Holocaust: A Study in the Manufacturing of Historical Myths, The Carl Beck Papers in Russian and East European Studies 2107 (Pittsburgh: University Center for Russian and East European Studies, 2011)

Per Anders Rudling: Rehearsal for Volhynia: Schutzmannschaft Battalion 201 and Hauptmann Roman Shukhevych in Occupied Belorussia, 1942

Jared McBride: Peasants into Perpetrators: The OUN-UPA and the Ethnic Cleansing of Volhynia, 1943-1944

Somewhere I read about a new book coming soon ...

Kai Struve: Deutsche Herrschaft, ukrainischer Nationalismus, antijüdische Gewalt (DeGruyter 2015) -just have this Book with 739 pages, will need some time to read it)

And a lot of more articles are available on academia.edu and researchgate.net. Books/Papers and authors mentioned above maybe a good starting point. Martin Mair (talk) 10:46, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move suggestion

The title "Ukrainian collaboration with Nazi Germany" implies that the only collaborators in the divided territory of Ukraine were Ukrainians and has a certain anti-Ukrainian bias. As far as I am ware, no other groups have targeted articles such as this (edit, I stand corrected, Luxembourgish), and I've seen an uptick of using this article to attack Ukrainians. I suggest moving/renaming the article to something along the lines of "Nazi Germany collaboration in Ukraine" in an effort to maintain some neutrality. LeVivsky (ಠ_ಠ) 18:59, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]