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Emerging issues involving brand new Indian editors on articles about wars.

Hello @HistoryofIran, Recently, a second phase of War Articles has been initiated by our new Indian users. Could you please take a look at them, specifically including topics such as the Shunga-Greek War, Gupta conquests of Bengal, and Mauryan Khotan Colonization.

The most notable issue I've encountered, which is not a brand new article, is an ongoing edit war with an Indian user. It revolves around the conflict between the Iranic Scythians, also known as Sakas, and the Satavahanas, in which the Sakas/Scythians emerged victorious. However, the Indian user keeps reverting my edits repeatedly. The article in question is titled "Saka-Satavahana Wars." DeepstoneV (talk) 09:32, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Sorry, but that's a lot of topics and issues. I might take a look, can't promise anything though. Worst case scenario, I would recommend using WP:ANI. HistoryofIran (talk) 14:08, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, examine the editing methods of User:Aryan330, User:Melechha, and Johanrojjashi. There is a commonality among them, and it's evident that Johanrojjashi is not a newcomer. I am limiting the comment as anything we say nowadays are getting distorted, even the old comments. Imperial ^[AFCND] 18:55, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please show some diffs that demonstrate that? And no need to limit yourself, don't let them get to you - let them try to distort it, they're just shooting themselves in the foot, as everyone can see the diffs for themselves. Anyways, I have a pretty good smoking gun for the afromentioned meatpuppetry activities, so everything should be good soon, just need an admin to see it. HistoryofIran (talk) 19:31, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. Melechha created a wikitable in "Ahom-Mughal conflicts,"[1] and Jonharojjashi promptly modified it[2] .
2. Aryan and Melechha (Editor Pandit is his socked acc) engaged in edit warring for improving a wikitable in "Maratha–Portuguese War (1683–1684),[3]" with Jonharojjashi making the similar edits shortly after in favour of them [4] [5].
3. Similar occurrences were observed in "Luso–Maratha War (1729–1732)," where Melechha created a wikitable[6], and Jonharojjashi either restored or modified it[7]. Additionally, when Melechha moved the page to a different title[8], Jonharojjashi followed suit[9]. Notably, this marked Jonharojjashi's third edit on the article.
4. The pattern repeated in the "Dogra–Tibetan War," with Melechha creating a wikitable[10] and Jonharojjashi subsequently editing it. This marked as the fourth article Jonharojjashi edited.[11].
5. Daayush (a confirmed sock), Jonharojjashi, and an IP user collaborated on editing "Kanishka" for a common purpose.[12] [13]
6. Jonharojjashi and Msangharak (a sock of Melechha) collaborated on editing "Kanishka's war with Parthia." [14].
7. Indo12122 (a confirmed sock user) and Jonharojjashi engaged in reverting each other's edits on "Muslim conquests in the Indian subcontinent."
I noticed several other accounts during the revision checks, some of which were added in earlier SPI checks. But, I didn't include them as they are not significant leads. Imperial ^[AFCND] 04:50, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks ImperialAficionado! HistoryofIran (talk) 14:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Don't want this auto-archived just yet, commenting for the section to stay. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:30, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto. The big report is going to take maybe even hours, but it will be worth. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:20, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pleased to hear that. Please don't hesitate to ask if you need any help. Best regards. Imperial ^[AFCND] 15:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Imperial, I appreciate it. I think I have more than enough evidence (but wouldn't say no to even more), just need to assemble it all together in a reader friendly way as much as possible. I'll see if I can make time for it in the upcoming days. HistoryofIran (talk) 19:45, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Really sorry, so much stuff happening right now, which ends up making me too exhausted to do these type of extensive reports. I assure you I will do this month, I've found even more similar patterns. HistoryofIran (talk) 18:43, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please take your time, as this task is undoubtedly enormous. I am also gathering many leads. Kindly leave a message when it's ready. Best regards. Imperial ^[AFCND] 21:09, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ImperialAficionado: Better late than never [15]. If you have more proof, it would be greatly appreciated if you could post it there. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The report is excellent. You could also consider including a comment about the large community on Instagram, in addition to Discord servers. This information was obtained from a comment by the User:Shakib ul hassan [16]. Even though WP:OUTING, this proves that the recruiting could never end as thousands of people are behind this. I'm currently on a break, but I'll do my best to recall some of the earlier evidence I had. Best regards. Imperial ^[AFCND] 03:49, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Battle of Koyulhisar (1461) "

From what little I could find, it[Koyulhisar] appears to have been 3 sieges.

Uzun Hasan besieges the castle Koyulhisar and captures it. 1461 - Uzun Hasan's occupation of Koyulhisar. Translated from Turkish
Mehmed II sends Sarapdar Hamza Bey to retake the castle, but fails. As a matter of fact, after Uzun Hasan captured Koyulhisar near Sivas in 1461, Fatih appointed Sarapdar Hamza Bey to take the castle, and resorted to this tactic upon failure.In 1461, he commissioned Sarapdar Hamza Bey to capture this castle by suppressing Koyulhisar Bey, Hüseyin Bey, during a hunt, in order to make an expedition to the Greek Empire of Trebizond, but the castle could not be taken back. Translated from Turkish
Mehmed then besieges the castle using cannons and takes it. "1461 and the Isfandiyari fortresses of Koyulhisar and Karahisar fell that year after bombardment by Mehmed's cannon."

It may be better to move Battle of Koyulhisar (1461) to a draft under the name: Siege of Koyulhisar (1461). Thoughts? --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kansas Bear. That sounds like a good alternative that I wouldn't mind either, I'll post it on the thread. HistoryofIran (talk) 12:21, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A little help please

Hi. I'm goting to complete the article of Zayn al-Din Taybadi and I can't find any English sources. As you seem to have access to the EI I need your help if you could send me some pdfs on this subject. He was one of the main mystics of the 14th century whose life and deeds has not been dealt with very much. Thanks in advance. Bbadree (talk) 14:08, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bbadree. Zayn al-Din Taybadi appears in these two prominent works [17] [18]. Does he appear in EI too? If so, can you link it? I couldn't find it. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:50, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rabia was an Arab woman

Rabia was an Arab woman, I don't know why there is a claim that she was from a non-Arab descent. She was called bint Ka'b aka: the daughter of Ka'b, which is, كعب, an Arab name. She was called Zain Al-Arab, which indicates her Arab lineage. Ibnismail2222 (talk) 15:19, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the sourced Background section as well as WP:OR and WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. HistoryofIran (talk) 15:21, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One article

Hello bro, I wanted to say that if you can, take a look at Bogazicili edits in the turkic peoples article, he has done a lot of vandalism, even removing the maps that helps the lot of readers in the article!

Even if you have more time better check all recently works of this person Twg7s7h (talk) 15:23, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Twg7s7h. Sorry, but I need more context here, what is going on? And would it not be better to take it up with the user in the talk page of the article? HistoryofIran (talk) 15:29, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry no he would not even answer, i think you didn't understand my speech I mean check his edits on turkic peoples the edit or i mean his changes in that article his name is Bogazicili i can't do that because the article is lock

I know he done lot of vandalism Twg7s7h (talk) 18:54, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Al-Biruni

Hello, colleague. Why did Al-Biruni bacome Uzbek? With respect. Smpad (talk) 12:54, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for notifying me. Looks like someone is masquerading as an Iranian, likely a sock. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, this is probably the sock of the LTA Beyoglou. Got nothing better to do than larp once again it seems. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:55, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help needed at Abu Lu'lu'a Firuz, re addition of Persian name and concerns of circular sourcing

Your input would be appreciated at Talk:Abu Lu'lu'a Firuz#Sources for the name Piruz Nahavandi. Summaries of the dispute and discussion thread may be found here. Thanks! ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 15:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Apaugasma. Weird, the article wasn't part of my watchlist anymore. I have a lot of balls in the air atm, I might join the discussion. HistoryofIran (talk) 15:53, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Orontes I

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Scythian did not left any written sources

Herodotus write some of the scytian words and names but they are not translatable enough to any iranic language. Heredotus also writes that scythians and persian could not understand each other even they are only seperated few hundreds before according to our hypothesis. Their gods name completly different than other indu-european gods. For example even indian gods names have similarities with slavic and hellenic god. But scythian gods are not. Kaan C3Iik (talk) 08:33, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is based on WP:RS, not your personal intrepetation of a primary source (WP:PRIMARY). HistoryofIran (talk) 12:04, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, what primary source is have a proof that they are speaking iranic language ? All the sources that claiming scytians speaking iranic language are based on opinion. None of them directing a writing left from scytians. Kaan C3Iik (talk) 12:57, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whether thats true or not, your intrepetation is still irrelevant, you are not a historian. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:07, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So you are sayin that I can edit it via showing Heredotus Histories as a source because he is historian or any other historian right ? Kaan C3Iik (talk) 13:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, please re-read everything I said and read the links I posted. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:31, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And especially this one WP:PSTS. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indian History

Hello HistoryofIran, as usual, there's an issue with Indian history. You might have encountered those modern unreliable sources claiming that the Guptas annexed the Oxus Valley and Balkh, among other claims involving the Huns and others. Although you've addressed these inaccuracies in the articles, the information is still present in the short description category of the Gupta Empire page. Could you please take a look and also review the Talk section of that page? DeepstoneV (talk) 12:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DeepstoneV: Another brand new user making the same disruptive war-related edits and same dishonest arguments, no doubt another member of the Discord [19]. And they are citing Kalidasa, who is not WP:RS per WP:AGEMATTERS, WP:PST and WP:SCHOLARSHIP HistoryofIran (talk) 12:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Recently, I have been targeted by some brand new accounts on Wikidia who are engaged in the sockpuppetry and meatpuppetry and have Multiple Insta and Dicord groups for these purposes. Their main purpose is to create propagated and fictional victories of Indian kingdoms, as you know. One of them is Based Kashmiri who made a fictional battle article about the Pala-Tibetan war and uploaded a edit suddenly to his Instagram page while it was still in draft form. Altho the article selected for deletion by ImperialAficionado.

To understand the mentality of these people, I recommend you watch these videos.^[1]^[2] DeepstoneV (talk) 11:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Erhm, I appreciate the info, but you're not allowed to post those links per WP:OUTING, so I removed them for your own sake. Can you go into more detail regarding these activities? After all, you probably know of my ANI report regarding meatpuppetry in India-related articles [20]. Feel free to post your evidence there, would be much appreciated. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another meatpuppet or sockpuppet account, Theophilusbisio, has joined Wikipedia with the same motive as those of SudSahab, Malik Al Hind etc DeepstoneV (talk) 14:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Pajert Rashad III (2023-01-09). How Indians spread historical propaganda online. Retrieved 2024-05-16 – via YouTube.
^ Pajert Rashad III (2021-11-02). The Indian Nationalist Mentality explained. Retrieved 2024-05-16 – via YouTube.

New Sabuktigin coin image

Hey @HistoryofIran, would you mind adding a tag for the original work for Coin_of_the_Ghaznavid_amir_Sabuktigin,_citing_the_Samanid_amir_Nuh_II_as_his_overlord._Date_unknown,_minted_at_Ghazna.jpg? The FAC reviewer said it needs one and I'm kind of dull regarding the tags in the commons. Amir Ghandi (talk) 18:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, I had misunderstood what they meant, added it myself. Cheers! Amir Ghandi (talk) 18:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:14th-century Bavandid rulers has been nominated for renaming

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Category:13th-century Bavandid rulers has been nominated for renaming

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Category:14th-century Baduspanid rulers has been nominated for splitting

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Category:13th-century Baduspanid rulers has been nominated for splitting

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Recent additions to the article about Samudragupta

Hello HistoryofIran, hope you are doing well. I've recently just noticed new additions to the article about Samudragupta talking about his "conflict with the Sasanian Empire", first of all, the entire section only cites one source from a publisher called "Pen and Sword" and the source as a whole is rather dubious. The entire section cites page 322 of the source as a reference for Samudragupta's alleged conflict with the Sasanians, however, the author themself has stated that they "would suggest" Shapur II's conflict was with the Sasanians without any factual backing (which is a huge red flag). I did not want to hear it just yet and was looking forward to your opinion. Cheers! Salman Cooper Mapping (talk) 21:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for bringing this to me. The user who added it and their Discord group [21] is notorious for misusing sources. Pretty source the source is also not WP:RS, or at the very least low quality, as I recall it got removed from several Sasanian-Roman related articles. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, not WP:RS [22] HistoryofIran (talk) 22:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Mirza Mohammad-Ali Khan Shirazi

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Your GA nomination of Mirza Mohammad-Ali Khan Shirazi

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Mughal Empire has an RfC

Mughal Empire has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 02:13, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Flemmish Nietzsche, but I don't think I'm knowledgeable enough to take part. HistoryofIran (talk) 02:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Jaxartes

Could you provide any contemporary source where this is a macedonian victory? HiddenRealHistory19 (talk) 02:48, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Wikipedia is based on WP:RS, not your personal intrepetation of a primary source"

I see you used the same tactic on another person? And when he questions you furhter asking for the primary source youre talking about you simply answer; "youre not a historian". Isnt that the point of Wikipedia where everybody can edit as long as its proven/properly sourced? Weird attitude you have brother. Also there was no primary source to begin with? And its not his "personal interpretations" there is littlery no source there at all!! HiddenRealHistory19 (talk) 03:03, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And what person did I use my “tactic” against? You do realize that “tactic” and “weird attitude” is called following the rules of this website? And if you dont want to do that, then you should perhaps reflect if this site is the right place for you. Please read WP:RS, WP:SYNTH, WP:CITE, WP:VER, WP:PST and WP:SCHOLARSHIP. HistoryofIran (talk) 03:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My god and he does it again... youre just like a white police officer with a black man in the 50s of Usa! 😝🤣. And you know very well who you used this tactic against. Some dude called "Kaan C3lik". Lets see your guys's conversation. Shall we? ;)

(Kaan C3lik makes statement)

Historyofiran:

Kaan C3lik answers: Yeah, what primary source is have a proof that they are speaking iranic language ? All the sources that claiming scytians speaking iranic language are based on opinion. None of them directing a writing left from scytians. (Again making statement and asking for the primary source youre talking about)

You: "Whether thats true or not, your intrepetation is still irrelevant, you are not a historian."

..... I have no words for this?🤣

"Wether that's true or not", well until you provide evidence you will never know its not true!! There is no proof out there that arent based on opinions. Isnt wikipedia supposed to take sourced which are objective???? And its not even "his intreperarion". He litterly just makes a statement and asked a question afterwards. You only answer with the law card, weird behavior this is!😝 HiddenRealHistory19 (talk) 17:38, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to add at the start:

Historyofiran: " HiddenRealHistory19 (talk) 17:40, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

" HiddenRealHistory19 (talk) 17:40, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Pajert Rashad III (2023-01-09). How Indians spread historical propaganda online. Retrieved 2024-05-16 – via YouTube.

[2] Pajert Rashad III (2021-11-02). The Indian Nationalist Mentality explained. Retrieved 2024-05-16 – via YouTube.

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