Talk:Greystanes, New South Wales

Australia: Places / Sydney Low‑importance

	Australia portal Greystanes, New South Wales is within the scope of WikiProject Australia, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Australia and Australia-related topics. If you would like to participate, visit the project page.AustraliaWikipedia:WikiProject AustraliaTemplate:WikiProject AustraliaAustralia articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by WikiProject Australian places (assessed as Low-importance).
	This article is supported by WikiProject Sydney (assessed as Low-importance).
	Need help improving this article? Ask a Librarian^{What's this?} at the National Library of Australia.
	The Wikimedia Australia chapter can be contacted via email to helpwikimedia.org.au for non-editorial assistance.

History Section

"It was from this land that William Lawson, Gregory Blaxland and William Charles Wentworth set out on their successful crossing of the Blue Mountains in 1813 and discovered the Bathurst Plains. The Lawson family crypt still exists today at St Bartholomew's Church, Prospect.[1]"

I propose to delete the first of these sentences as it is incorrect and second because it is not relevant. It was from William Lawson's home Veteran Hall, which is on the Western lower slopes of Prospect Hill (not in Greystanes suburb), that the expedition set out. There is persistent confusion between Veteran Hall and Grey Stanes, the latter being, as stated, the home of William Lawson's son Nelson Lawson. Building of Grey Stanes did not start until 1836. The Lawson crypt is nbot relevant to the Greystanes article.

If there is no comment I will make the deletion. Spathaky (talk) 06:45, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have now found that the expedition's departure was from Blaxland's farm at Eastern Creek, though Lawson would have first left from his home Veteran Hall. Anyway this doesn't alter the fact that the article was incorrect and, as there has been no comment for a week, I have deleted as I said I would. Spathaky (talk) 11:13, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Notable residents Section

LibStar made numerous deletion to my work on notable residents. I have since restored this information, as this was my work which I spent weeks researching in the local community, especially at local schools and the Greystanes library. Even if a resident does not have a Wikipedia page, it doesn't mean that they are not Notable to this commmunity. Frank Cefai, was the most notable of them all, for example. Also, the other reasons provided by LibStar, are incorrect - they include "article doesn't mention this suburb - and? maybe the Wikipedia article is wrong?, grew up in another suburb, played for a club in greystanes only, etc.

If LibStar actually took the time, even to research online, each of the people removed - he/she would find articles about these people and they actually LIVED in Greystanes. Each of these people have lived and been residents of Greystanes at some part of their lives. And the clubs in which they played for, was because they needed to be residents of Greystanes, in order to play or participate. You cannot attend Little Athletics, or play for Greystanes Rugby or Soccer clubs, if you do not live in Greystanes. For example, a comment made on Dani Stevens saying that she wasn't from Greystanes - here is an article where is states that her family moved to Greystanes - https://www.athletics.com.au/news/dani-stevens-from-little-athletics-to-the-olympics/. Further to that, she went to primary school in Greystanes and it was her school teacher, ny neighbour, who told me to add her.

The deletion of this content, after thorough research is actually vandalism of my work. Do not touch it.

Annamaria.dmrt (talk) 12:38, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You don't WP:OWN this article. Any person can be removed under WP:BURDEN. LibStar (talk) 22:17, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will remove entries that do not refer to the suburb or no reference supplied that they lived in the suburb. You claim to have evidence for each person, please show that. LibStar (talk) 22:20, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you have done the research then include the citation in the article. Accusing me of vandalism is far fetched, I have made over 96,000 edits over 17 years on Wikipedia. No one has accused me of vandalism before. LibStar (talk) 01:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Annamaria.dmrt your comments are verging on personal attacks please stop I too have edited here for many years and the burden is on YOU to provide a source for notable residents. I have removed some unsourced "notables" where there articles don't mention the place either. Theroadislong (talk) 10:11, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Annamaria.dmrt And now you are edit warring to re-add unsourced content, please STOP you need to add sources to support your additions. Theroadislong (talk) 10:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

no problem, i will add sources to them. Instead of deleting, why don't you add "citation needed" though? Like for the other parts of the content? Why do i need to compare versions in order to see what's needed... stop deleting, add "citation needed" and I will sort it out. That's the whole point here.

Also, I am doing my best on citation, but if you guys help on the formatting, it would be nice. Any uncited text, I will delete.

Thanks for your time and patience, I understand it's no personal attack Annamaria.dmrt (talk) 11:02, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a few sources as examples, if you could add more that would be great and be advised that any editor can remove unsourced content. Theroadislong (talk) 11:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for that. You have still deleted some people like Penulwuy (the most famous resident of Greystanes first title land's native inhabitants), Lawrence DImech, Frank Cefai - the most renown person in the community (articles are about him everywhere on google).

Also, lastly and probably quite important... how do people make reference to information, without having anything to cite or refer to? for example. If I was to interview an old resident, and they give me information on something historical but there is no reference online, does mean that this just goes done as missing in history? How can I cite this within Wiki's terms to make it noteworthy and remain? Annamaria.dmrt (talk) 13:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Last reference problem

I tried to fix these references which were in some mess. Page numbers are required when your posting a document. Without the page number it is useless. I can't fix that reference 4 since there is multiple versions of it. Its seems to be the same but not sure. Its not wise to use urls for reference tags. The website property for a each cite web should contain the website name, not a url. scope_creep^Talk 10:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is really sloppy referencing to including a ref for page 5 and include the same reference for page 31, which is not correct. It will need fixed. scope_creep^Talk 10:08, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]