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    Additional sources?

    Hello all. I have expanded Robert Poore, and wondered if anyone has any sources which could expand the article further? I think he has FA potential going forward. AA (talk) 12:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    You may have already checked them, but anything in his Wisden CotY, Wisden obit or Cricketer obit worth using? --JP (Talk) 12:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Cheers JP. I had read the CotY article, but overlooked a useful snippet about how his height affected his fielding. Hadn't considered The Cricketer, but found a couple of extra bits from that. Cheers. AA (talk) 13:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Also wouldn't mind finding out where he was educated. Before I expanded it, the article claimed he attended Stubbington House School, though I could find no evidence to back that up. AA (talk) 14:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Images of cricket grounds

    It's that time of year again! Cricket is in full swing in the northern hemisphere and it's time to dust off your cameras. A number of grounds need beautiful photos, a list can be found here. Snap away!!! AA (talk) 23:35, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Create a page on 2024 World Championship of Legends

    The league has been approved by the ECB and is set to take place in Edgbaston, starting on July 3. It’s been created by Zabawa Entertainment, a distinguished Bollywood film and music production company, with roots in India and Dubai.

    Several notable figures from international cricket over the past three decades have already been signed for the league, including Yuvraj Singh and Kevin Pietersen.Shahid Afridi has also been signed to take part in the league.

    The tournament comprises six teams that will compete in the 18-match event and it will be played in a single round-robin format. The top four teams will make it to the semifinals followed by a Final on 13th July, 2024

    Vikas265 (talk) 11:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    So what's written above is a copy-and-paste press release [1], and doesn't appear to have any coverage outside of Indian news outlets. Richard3120 (talk) 11:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It should only be created if it meets WP:GNG. Which lots of these "Legends cricket" events do not. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is the same sort of request that Vikas265 made in March for the Asian Legends League. Richard3120 (talk) 11:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I really wish they would focus on better content. These hit and giggle leagues devalue our content and aren't remotely encyclopedic. AA (talk) 18:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    For, example are these notable?:

    I'd argue not. AA (talk) 18:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Naming of ICC events - especially the T20 World Cup

    • The 50 Over ODI World Cup is named the Cricket World Cup, without ICC or Men's even though the recent official name for the ICC given in 2023 was the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup. After discussion, the page was not moved due to following the common name. Same rule is followed for all of its related pages, categories and templates.
    • In contrast, the 20 Over T20I World Cup is named as ICC Men's T20 World Cup and discussions reaching the conclusion that we have to follow the official name. Same rule is followed for all of its related pages, categories and templates.
    • In the past however, (before 2021), all of the T20 World Cup pages had a previous name - The ICC World Twenty20: and did not have the word men's in it. Even on wiki where you're supposed to have a common continued name for all events - different ones are being followed - and contrasting reasons are being given in discussions to close them.

    A possible solution from my side:

    • We can follow the Cricket World Cup style - remove ICC and Men's from all the titles of the t20 world cup pages - for eg. 2024 T20 World Cup, 2016 World Twenty20, List of squads for the 2022 T20 World Cup. For the women's t20 world cup articles - we follow the same rule - 2024 Women's T20 World Cup, 2016 Women's World Twenty20, etc. Same style.
    • Next year when the Champions Trophy is held - we see what name the ICC brings out and then follow the same style of naming.

    Thanks for reading this far editors - I hope we can deliberate! I shall be pinging some editors who have historically commented here (having both opinions), just to have conversation. Not trying to brigade. Pharaoh496 (talk) 08:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    First, Thanks for inviting me to contribute to this, hope to come to an agreed solution.
    I still believe Wikipedia should not be able to override or otherwise "edit" the name of an event when the official branding from the owning organisations change their naming schemes (in this case the ICC).This is ultimately why I still believe that we need to begin including gender specification as how the ICC now refers to the world up. This is why I believe that for a longer term fix, this might need a further discussion on whether or not Wikipedia:Official names requires changes in how it handles naming changes. in addition we may need to consider whether Wikipedia:Article titles is relevant (specifically the Name Changes section may require more consideration). I however have not had the time to properly flesh out and open a discussion on that page, if anyone else is willing to (and sees merit in seeking further clarification from the guidelines), please feel free to do so.
    With respect to the solutions, I don't see much difference between the current naming scheme and the one proposed in the first point, and I am generally not one to "kick the can down the road" so to speak, and therefore not willing to wait till the Champions trophy to make a decision. It is for those reasons I am happy to leave the pages as is, until the guidelines are clarified on these types of situations. TheDataStudent (talk) 09:36, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That might be true, but shouldnt they have a similar categorization of naming? Either remove icc or keep it for all, and remove men's or keep it for all? Pharaoh496 (talk) 10:46, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Here's what I found:
    These are clearly the WP:COMMONNAMES. Given Wikipedia doesn't have ICC on Cricket World Cup article, don't think it's necessary on other articles as well. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 09:58, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That might be true, but shouldnt they have a similar categorization of naming? Either remove icc or keep it for all, and remove men's or keep it for all? Pharaoh496 (talk) 10:46, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For the odi world cup, it does have men's in ever article except wikipedia. while that in itself is totally fine - atleast we should follow that style for all icc events. Pharaoh496 (talk) 10:49, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Discussions related to this moves have been made before too, one was just a month or two before I guess. I think it would be fine with removing ICC, but having gender differentiation I feel is still necessary considering women's and men's tournaments are held in the same year. Cric editor (talk) 12:35, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If you put women's in those pages, they are differentiated.
    Exhibit A:
    Remove ICC and its no different @Cric editor Pharaoh496 (talk) 14:27, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with it. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Add mens and its no different either, removing icc would require just the same amount of effort as adding mens.
    Fundamentally this naming scheme mis-represents the status of womens events as somehow lower in the status quo as compared to the mens competition - it implies that the Mens World T20 is the penultimate competition in all of international cricket, and the womens game is just some seperate sideshow, I understand historical context may lend itself to that perspective, but it is no longer the case, and wikipedia should acknowledge and represent that. TheDataStudent (talk) 22:48, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would also like to add that ICC Men's T20 World Cup was moved to a gender specific article. therefore we can modify other pages to reflect gender specifications if we are being so strict about WP:COMMONNAME TheDataStudent (talk) 02:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If it helps, the same thing is followed in Asia Cup Pharaoh496 (talk) 10:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That is very very far from the case - All men's teams and competitions of all sports accross the world dont have the name "men's" in their wiki page - no one is saying that the women's team or event is lower in status. Its the common name followed. Pharaoh496 (talk) 07:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You take any national team, any world cup; any ipl team and it does not have men's. This is the convention being followed, and the t20iwc should stick to it. Please do read again what I said in my earlier first message.Pharaoh496 (talk) 07:31, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    First of all, what other sporting bodies name their competitions is not relevant to this case, The ICC is not FIFA and FIFA is not ICC.
    Secondly, there are many examples within cricket pages of Men's being in the title, 
    ICC Men's Test Team Rankings
    ICC Men's T20I Team Rankings
    ICC men's player rankings
    ICC Men's Test Team of the Year
    ICC Men's ODI Team Rankings
    If we are being so strict about WP common name for articles cricproject's remit, then there is more than ample evidence for Men's to be added as anything else related to the ICC contains a gender modifier. How individual nations decide to name their teams and competitions is not relevant because that's up to the national governing body. Anything directly ICC related/administered, like the World Cups, or Champions Trophy, should be named as per ICC naming schemes. TheDataStudent (talk) 02:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Rankings is different to what competitions are.
    • FIFA and ICC can be looked with the same eye as far as wikipedia names are concerned.
    • All these need a reform.
    Pharaoh496 (talk) 06:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    1. Both are ICC administered, therefore equivalent
    2. No they aren't and should not be. Thats like saying Nepalese Cuisene and Indian Cuisine are the same because they happen to share geography and a similar spice pallete.
    3. They don't need reform because thats how the ICC publishes rankings. 115.64.43.63 (talk) 07:09, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Read: WP:OFFICIALNAME and WP:COMMONNAME, We don't use the official names here; we use common names which might differ from the names published by ICC. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 07:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Take a look at International cricket in 2024 (and other seasons as well); it says women's tournaments but, doesn't say men's tournaments.
    Furthermore, women cricket formats are WTest, WODI and WT20I but men's cricket formats are just Test, ODI and T20I not MTest, MODI and MT20I.
    Looks like we don't need the gender differentiations in men's events as they are the main events and should only have a hatnote about it. While, women's events should have the term "women's" given the historical significance of men's events Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 00:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Pharaoh496 should start an RM for a better consensus,
    Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 01:01, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Also some more:
    Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 04:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hundred percent. I will get to it in a day. Pharaoh496 (talk) 07:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Started: Click here for the discussion @Vestrian24Bio Pharaoh496 (talk) 09:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Sources for Lionel Tennyson, 3rd Baron Tennyson

    Hello all. Just began an expansion of this article. I think he has GA/FA potential, being a Test cricketer and England captain, with a lengthy career with Hampshire. If anyone has any sources they can add, it would be greatly appreciated. I'm happy to collab for GA/FA down the line. AA (talk) 20:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Squad templates for T20 World Cups

    Why don't we have squad templates for every team playing at the World Cup for every season?, while we have the same for women's tournaments. These templates can not only be transcluded in players' pages, but also can be used in the articles of teams' performance at the World Cup.


    • For the past week, I've been creating articles for performance of teams at the T20 World Cup, for eg. Australia at the T20 World Cup. Instead of having squads listed for every season just like in the Cricket World Cup pages, we can replace them with these templates hence reducing the size of the page too.tead of

    Cric editor (talk) 19:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Please don't use templates. They're a right pain in the neck to manage for non-expert editors. Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, don't use templates to hide article content. Spike 'em (talk) 18:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Why do you need to manage? Create them and leave on the cricketers' page Pharaoh496 (talk) 07:56, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Please read the guidelines and help pages for templates, specifically navigation templates. Also, data-dumps are not suitable for an encyclopedia (especially when they are just duplicating information already contained in other articles); the "at the T20 WC" articles you are creating need well-sourced prose throughout. wjematherplease leave a message... 10:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Articles like this one you created List of Gibraltar women Twenty20 International cricketers are going to get deleted. Desertarun (talk) 12:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And this one 2024 Scotland Tri-Nation Series (round 3). The simple rule I follow is that if all I can write in the article leaves it a stub I don't create it. Desertarun (talk) 12:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    2024 Scotland Tri-Nation Series (round 3) shouldn't be deleted; We had articles for each series in the previous League 2 as well. Also, according to the Rater's algorithm the article is Start-class; should be reassessed. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 13:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair enough, I wouldn't vote for it to be deleted myself, but could see non-cricketers doing so. Desertarun (talk) 13:06, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This list was created following the same format of the similar articles that already exist, we have lists of players that have represented at International cricket for even teams that have played only one T20I, and if 2024 Scotland Tri-Nation Series (round 3) fails to have a standalone article, that makes all of these series' articles from previous cycle not notable too. Please let me know the issues so that I can correct them :) Cric editor (talk) 16:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Why do the articles have "(round n)" in the title? Are there any sources that use that? Spike 'em (talk) 18:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There to state which round it is in the League 2. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Why can't the rounds be merged with the parent article? Desertarun (talk) 07:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There are 24 rounds giving a total of 144 matches; that many of them in one article won't be constructive. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 08:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    24 rounds sounds a lot. Sooner or later someone's going to try to merge, redirect or delete them. There has to be a better way than this? Desertarun (talk) 08:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The round info should just be mentioned in the body of the article, it is completely confusing to have them in the titles. How does anyone reading the title know which competition it is Round N of? It fails at least 3 of the 5 WP:CRITERIA. Spike 'em (talk) 09:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay so I looked through it, turns out rounds weren't initially included in the title until 2022 United Arab Emirates Tri-Nation Series (round 9) created by User:Lugnuts; since then it has been kept going on. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 12:29, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    guess it was to differentiate 2022 United Arab Emirates Tri-Nation Series (round 9) and 2022 United Arab Emirates Tri-Nation Series (round 10). Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 12:36, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Lugnuts was banned for creating tens of thousands of stub/spam articles just like these. Before doing any more work on these articles I suggest you find a work around that'll prevent them getting deleted or redirected. Desertarun (talk) 19:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We could merge the 24 articles into 3 articles at least:
    Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 01:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think that would be better. Desertarun (talk) 05:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Stub articles

    There are currently 32,117 stub articles in the Category:Stub-Class cricket articles; I visited some of them:

    These articles were stub when they were initially assessed but now, they are Start/C class articles. There's many more like this in the category which needs a re-assessment. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 15:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Good article reassessment for Wisden Trophy

    Wisden Trophy has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 02:40, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Requested move at Talk:ICC Men's T20 World Cup#Requested move 9 June 2024

    There is a requested move discussion at Talk:ICC Men's T20 World Cup#Requested move 9 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 09:51, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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