Talk:Banda Singh Bahadur

Birth

Baba Banda singh bahdur was born in mohyal bhramin family according to chowen rattan by rajori scholar giani singh. Baba Banda Singh bahadur is also popular as baba Banda Singh bairagi. Baba Banda bairagi born in a Hindu family therefore, baba Banda Singh is a Hindu by birth — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.224.224.204 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Repeated unreferenced claims of violence against Muslim civilians

This page, as well as the page on Samana, Punjab, and the page about the Battle of Samana, seem to keep being edited to include sentences about Banda Singh indiscriminately slaughtering thousands of Muslim civilians. This seems incredibly out of character with established history sources. No reference is given whenever these edits are added to any of these pages, except a reference to a Punjabi text about Banda's life, in which I cannot find any mention of such atrocities. I have thus removed these claims from these three pages. ★Sunny_bacon★ (talk) 01:04, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Banda bahadur

Never baptised and didnot lead single handed the forces. He was lead by 5 pyares selected by guru maharaj. He was part of political allience with mughal emperor bahadur shah Singhjasbironly (talk) 02:38, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Why was the title of the article changed from Banda Sing Bahadur to Veer Banda Bairagi? Can someone change it back.

== Baba banda bahadur singh is neither brahmin not rajput but belongs Basith Community Bardwaj Gotra

Change your provide details Abhijit shukla (talk) 00:15, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Baba Banda Singh Bahadur is from Basith Community having Bardwaj Gotra not Rajput. Basith Tribal Community was given titles of Vasisht Rajput,Meghi Rajput, Bisht Rajput, Negi Rajput, Gurjar Rajput, Boomihar by Lord Canning and British Indian Govt for helping them to suppress 1857 Revolt and given Zamindari Rights to these community.These are new born Rajput,not original Rajputs. Traditional Rajput used to abuse these new born Rajputs as Khass or Khass Rajput.Khass is derogatory word in Dogri Language having meaning who changed his Father. But we Sikh of Rajouri Poonch Belt birth place of Baba Banda Singh Bahadur never accepted these "fake titles" and still Proud to be "Basith" or "BasithSikh" not Rajput. 115.97.143.228 (talk) 21:49, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

No he was not he was a minhas rajput bhraman never came to sikhi and we don't need them the village he was born with was a 100% rajput population village of Minhas gotra Yashwant singh2275 (talk) 07:21, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

He was a bhardwaj brahmin

He burn in bhardwaj brahman family Abhijit shukla (talk) 01:31, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes Kamal684 (talk) 09:43, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

No he was not he was a minhas rajput bhraman never came to sikhi and we don't need them the village he was born with was a 100% rajput population village of Minhas gotra Yashwant singh2275 (talk) 07:20, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Can someone add source of his baptization?

1. The current Wikipedia article says "who came to Nanded to collect forces and live last years of his life, he gave Lachman Dev the new name of Banda Singh Bahadur, after the Baptism Ceremony.". Can someone add a citation for this claim? 2. According to Prachin Panth Prakash (Episode 60), there was s split between Banda and Sikh, and Banda adopted "Darshan Fateh" as his slogan. He further started wearing red robes - http://www.sikhmuseum.com/nishan/colors/chronicles.html. Is this not important to mention this split?

Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2021

Madho das bairagi was a brahmin by caste he was a kashmiri brahmin who later followed guru govind singh. 2405:204:A516:66CE:0:0:12E7:80B1 (talk) 19:47, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Morneo06 (talk) 20:03, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

No he was not he was a minhas rajput bhraman never came to sikhi and we don't need them the village he was born with was a 100% rajput population village of Minhas gotra Yashwant singh2275 (talk) 07:22, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

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Banda Singh bahadur was a Brahmin and his gotra was bharatwaj.bharatwaj is a brahmin gotta you can also check it on google.plz sir improve it. Kamal684 (talk) 10:45, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Banda Singh bahadur was a Brahmin.and his gotra was bharatwaj Kamal684 (talk) 10:46, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.   melecie   t 13:38, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

No he was not he was a minhas rajput bhraman never came to sikhi and we don't need them the village he was born with was a 100% rajput population village of Minhas gotra Yashwant singh2275 (talk) 07:22, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

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He was a Brahmin not rajput [[User:([[User talk: 10:48, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please see above   melecie   t 13:38, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

No he was a bhraman. Rajput never came to sikhi and we don't need them the village he was born with was a 100% brahman population village of bhardwaj gotra Yashwant singh2275 (talk) 07:22, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

No he was a brahmin he was born in the village he was born with was a 100% brahmin population village of bhardwaj gotra and none of the Punjabi specially sikh historian has ever mentioned him as a bhraman except a bhraman named tyagi itself to take unlineage advantage of their sacrifice bhraman never came into sikhi and this had a written evidence too by bhai kahn singh Nabha he had mentioned him Minhas rajput and he was a minhas rajput don't interfere in sikhi if you're not a sikh go and wash your face you must be sleepy or have been doped yourself Yashwant singh2275 (talk) 07:28, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

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Banda was Brahmin not rajput plz improve it 2409:4063:401E:1580:544B:94A1:9946:82F3 (talk) 11:47, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: See above ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:03, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

No he was not he was a minhas rajput bhraman never came to sikhi and we don't need them the village he was born with was a 100% rajput population village of Minhas gotra Yashwant singh2275 (talk) 07:23, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

No he was not he was a minhas rajput bhraman never came to sikhi and we don't need them the village he was born with was a 100% rajput population village of Minhas gotra and none of the Punjabi specially sikh historian has ever mentioned him as a bhraman except a bhraman named tyagi itself to take unlineage advantage of their sacrifice bhraman never came into sikhi and this had a written evidence too by bhai kahn singh Nabha he had mentioned him Minhas rajput and he was a minhas rajput don't interfere in sikhi if you're not a sikh go and wash your face you must be sleepy or have been doped yourself Yashwant singh2275 (talk) 07:28, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2021 (2)

Banda was bharatwaj Brahmin not rajput all Punjab historians show Banda as Brahmin in her books.

}} 2409:4063:401E:1580:544B:94A1:9946:82F3 (talk) 11:54, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

No he was not he was a minhas rajput bhraman never came to sikhi and we don't need them the village he was born with was a 100% rajput population village of Minhas gotra and none of the Punjabi specially sikh historian has ever mentioned him as a bhraman except a bhraman named tyagi itself to take unlineage advantage of their sacrifice bhraman never came into sikhi and this had a written evidence too by bhai kahn singh Nabha he had mentioned him Minhas rajput and he was a minhas rajput don't interfere in sikhi if you're not a sikh go and wash your face you must be sleepy or have been doped yourself Yashwant singh2275 (talk) 07:26, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

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Banda was kashmiri Brahmin not rajput and his gotra was bharatwaj improve it. 2405:204:A506:8203:74D3:D886:BEE9:7DA9 (talk) 05:40, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.   melecie   t 09:57, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

No he was not he was a minhas rajput bhraman never came to sikhi and we don't need them the village he was born with was a 100% rajput population village of Minhas gotra Yashwant singh2275 (talk) 07:27, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

No he was not he was a minhas rajput bhraman never came to sikhi and we don't need them the village he was born with was a 100% rajput population village of Minhas gotra and none of the Punjabi specially sikh historian has ever mentioned him as a bhraman except a bhraman named tyagi itself to take unlineage advantage of their sacrifice bhraman never came into sikhi and this had a written evidence too by bhai kahn singh Nabha he had mentioned him Minhas rajput and he was a minhas rajput don't interfere in sikhi if you're not a sikh go and wash your face you must be sleepy or have been doped yourself Yashwant singh2275 (talk) 07:27, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

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He was brahman not rajput 2409:4063:6C0E:64B5:D234:2E77:46E7:5EE2 (talk) 05:39, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:57, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

No he was not he was a minhas rajput bhraman never came to sikhi and we don't need them the village he was born with was a 100% rajput population village of Minhas gotra and none of the Punjabi specially sikh historian has ever mentioned him as a bhraman except a bhraman named tyagi itself to take unlineage advantage of their sacrifice bhraman never came into sikhi and this had a written evidence too by bhai kahn singh Nabha he had mentioned him Minhas rajput and he was a minhas rajput don't interfere in sikhi if you're not a sikh go and wash your face you must be sleepy or have been doped yourself Yashwant singh2275 (talk) 07:28, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2021

Banda was brahman not rajput

No he was not he was a minhas rajput bhraman never came to sikhi and we don't need them the village he was born with was a 100% rajput population village of Minhas gotra and none of the Punjabi specially sikh historian has ever mentioned him as a bhraman except a bhraman named tyagi itself to take unlineage advantage of their sacrifice bhraman never came into sikhi and this had a written evidence too by bhai kahn singh Nabha he had mentioned him Minhas rajput and he was a minhas rajput don't interfere in sikhi if you're not a sikh go and wash your face you must be sleepy or have been doped yourself Yashwant singh2275 (talk) 07:28, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

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Yashwant singh2275 (talk) 07:19, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

He was a Minhas Rajput not a bharadwaj or dogra

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:09, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

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Banda was a bhardwaj brahmin not Rajput — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4063:6E0A:B037:6175:8D5F:9A5A:30C8 (talk) 16:02, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

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2405:204:A380:F0EE:6ADE:6419:4BCA:FD97 (talk) 05:14, 28 October 2021 (UTC) He was mohyal brahman of bhardwaj gotra not rajput

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 05:58, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

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change Banda singh Bahadur caste. He was a Mohyal Brahmin not Dogra Rajput 110.235.219.164 (talk) 21:47, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 21:51, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Baba banda singh ji bhadur is a mohyal brahman, not rajpoot please make the corrections 2601:646:A100:CD00:9A1F:9D88:E15F:7A9B (talk) 08:45, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2021

Rabindranath Tagore wrote an ode / poem, in his honor and his Sikh soldiers and followers JKASingh (talk) 01:00, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

References

Banda Singh Bahadur Caste

As you know there are many rajputs including me whose gotra is bharadwaj. That doesn't make us brahmin. Banda Singh Bahadur is a rajput. He is born in rajput family. But some Brahman wanted to claim him because they don't have any warriors like him.

It's not right. The actions of Brahmin community shouldn't be tolerated. 2405:201:600C:FFC4:8FF:5CD1:AE75:B4EE (talk) 23:36, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

"jago rajput jago or padhai likhai kiya karo warna jahil hi maroge" this is going to wake you up from your sleep, "baji rao 1" only indian in the recorded history who never lost any battle, 41 total and not only in india but also among the handful who never lost a war, but to clear your illusions there is no rajput or any warrior for that matter even in brahmins who have not lost any battle, so yes for you a warrior who has not lost any battle is below a warrior who has lost a battle, so that debunks your theory of brahmin claims over banda singh because even without him brahmins have the greatest undefeated warrior india has ever seen, "jago rajput jago or padhai likhai kiya karo warna jahil hi maroge" 2405:201:4023:581D:3157:2EFB:240E:664E (talk) 21:31, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Banda Bahadur shah

Jhbbvcdryokn 2409:4064:2105:EC5:E86C:A954:6C69:A755 (talk) 06:55, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Banda Singh Bahadur was a Brahmin.

He was a brahmin, a son of Brahmin raja putr. 106.215.233.8 (talk) 09:57, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Incomplete information about on banda Singh

. 2405:204:12A8:68B7:5A9E:C350:B6D5:7117 (talk) 15:19, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Indian History Congress Author

Kamhiri Cite templates needs information provided by the book. According to the book, the author is Indian History Congress and editor is Himadri Banerjee. Indu Banga is not the author of the book as its a collection of many chapters from different historians. Publisher stays what it should be.
Title:The Khalsa and the Punjab: Studies in Sikh History, to the Nineteenth Century
Author: Indian History Congress. Session
Editor: Himadri Banerjee
Publisher:Tulika, 2002
ISBN: 9788185229713 MehmoodS (talk) 02:51, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

For quote, you can add Indu Banga in brackets. Like quote= (Indu Banga quotes or notes)......

[1]- For an individual author plus an institutional author, you can use |first1=...|last1=...|author2=... Will modify the citation, so the only thing that will change from your above message is Banga will be recognized as the individual author- IHC as the institutional author.Kamhiri (talk) 03:07, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Adding Gurmukhi transcriptions to his native names

Request to add Gurmukhi transcriptions to his native name(s) as follows:

1) Banda Singh Bahadur → ਬੰਦਾ ਸਿੰਘ ਬਹਾਦਰ

2) Lachman Dev → ਲਛਮਣ ਦੇਵ

3) Lachman Das → ਲੱਛਮਣ ਦਾਸ

4) Madho Das → ਮਾਧੋ ਦਾਸ

5) Madho Das Bairagi → ਮਾਧੋ ਦਾਸ ਬੈਰਾਗੀ

6) Banda Bairagi → ਬੰਦਾ ਬੈਰਾਗੀ

Sources used to confirm spellings in Gurmukhi:

1) https://punjabipedia.org/topic.aspx?txt=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BE%20%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%98%20%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%B0

2) https://pa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BE_%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%98_%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%B0

3) https://www.punjabijagran.com/religion/religious-articles-the-martyrdom-of-baba-banda-singh-bahadur-8665120.html ThethPunjabi (talk) 17:12, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

He was a brahmin warrior from mohyal brahmins community because in rajput there is not any bhardwaj gotra . This is a brahmins gotra and rajput never become sant .

He was a brahmin warrior from mohyal brahmins community because in rajput there is not any bhardwaj gotra . This is a brahmins gotra and rajput never become sant . 2405:204:5514:9BA:0:0:1852:C8B1 (talk) 19:02, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Born

Born in a Rajpoot Family 117.212.93.163 (talk) 06:10, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Jai parshuram!

Some Rajputs themselves are made of Brahmins like Guhil's early dynasty, one Tomar Rajputs of Jammu created dirt from yesterday who are getting Brahmins vs Rajputs done today! Because Brahmins have no relation with these neo kshatriya Tomars, that's why they are making Bhardwaj banda Bairagi a so called Rajput! Indianside (talk) 18:01, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Execution_2 part is a duplication and is out of context.

The Excution_2 part that follows [Excommunication and rivalry with Tat Khalsa] is a duplicated part of the previous [Execution] part. The picture along with its attributes can be copied to the original part Banda Singh Bahadur#Execution and the duplicate part may be deleted.

The duplicated part also sits out of context while the original part follows a proper flow in the text. Abhijitkazi (talk) 05:44, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Done. Thank you for pointing it out. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 09:54, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

By the way, I deleted the "Execution" section that was situated before the "Excommunication" section as he was excommunicated (in 1714) before he was killed (in 1716). Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 10:08, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Then the Banda Singh Bahadur#Siege in Gurdas Nangal part will come after excommunication. Could you please have a look at it and make the changes accordingly. Abhijitkazi (talk) 09:56, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Done again. Thanks. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 10:07, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 June 2024

His religion was Hindu and not Sikhism. This is clearly factual from your description in wiki as well 159.196.168.141 (talk) 01:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done Please provide reliable sources and state exactly what change you would like to see and where you would like to see the change made. RegentsPark (comment) 18:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 June 2024

Today i.e 24-June is shahidi day of Banda Bahadur 103.164.199.191 (talk) 17:47, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. PianoDan (talk) 20:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)