Talk:Liviu Librescu

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-original poster. Ladeer

I'm not sure how to ban an IP (or if regular users even can), but 90.184.23.187 has twice replaced the entire contents of the page with "Noob got owned". Can somebody with the access to do that ban the offending IP? Ttrygve 16:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)Ttrygve[reply]

This way to request editors be blocked for vandalism. --ElKevbo 16:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

someone actually has that level of disrespect? this world is screwed up man. ONX 16:36, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bio & Photo

Photo: http://www.esm.vt.edu/php/genpic.php?id=10023 76.109.163.61

Age???

The template said 74 and the Death section said 75 131.215.7.198 11:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Date and place of birth

Can anyone provide a reference for Prof. Librescu's date and place of birth? -- The Anome 11:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

After a quick search: Professor Librescu, a Romanian-born expert on mechanics, Librescu, an Israeli, was born in Romania. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 11:23, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support to keep page separate

Unlike many of the pages created for specific victims of the Virginia Tech Massacre, Prof. Librescu clearly had an impressive career. I think that warrants a separate page and not just a paragraph in the main article. ~~ Meeples (talk)(email) 12:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Does he meet WP:PROF? Which criteria does he meet? If he does, then his article should stay. Currently, the article only exists because of the shooting. --StuffOfInterest 12:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree the article doesn't establish this person as meeting Wikipedia:Notability (academics) at the moment. While it was clearly created because of the shooting, if this person is notable under Wikipedia:Notability (academics) and the article clearly establishes that then it would be fine. I was going to suggest the article be left a day to see if it is improved sufficiently but since this is too late, editors should work on it in a subpage of their userpage and see if they can get it up to a level where it establishes Wikipedia:Notability (academics) (if this person does meet the criteria) Nil Einne 12:46, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Being chair or invited keynote speaker at international conferences is a sign of academic notability. He would have warranted an article prior to his death, even if Wikipedia's requirements for academic notability remains far stricter than for sports or entertainments figures. 128.243.220.41 15:49, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Given the information now available regarding the heroic action taken by Professor Librescu during the shooting, I would support keeping this article separate; I don't know if it meets any particular policy, but personally, I'd consider self-sacrifice to save his students very notable. Rdfox 76 13:05, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is his action something which can not be adequately described in the parent article? --StuffOfInterest 13:07, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Considering that there's still debate in the talk page there regarding whether or not to have ANY of the victims' names listed, I don't know that it wouldn't be deleted if I tried--and I'm not sure where I'd put it in the parent article, anyway.

On a semi-related note, does anyone have ANY idea how to properly cite something stated during a news channel's continuous TV coverage? That's where I got the information. Rdfox 76 13:10, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Some sort of written transcript is usually available for the news shows. That would be a reasonable source, but I don't think is would necessarily be a primary source. If some notability is mentioned in the interview/news piece then it should be possible to find independent confirmation. --StuffOfInterest 13:12, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Now have two sources referenced for his actions. Rdfox 76 13:47, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He probably would not have been notable just as a professor but he unquestionably is now. --BigDT 13:15, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Even if he wasn't notable as a professor (which is far from determined), his actions during the shooting make him extremely notable. Leave article as it is. --Alabamaboy 13:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added the list of books by this professor to the article. Based on these books (including Thin-Walled Composite Beams: Theory and Application (Solid Mechanics and Its Applications)), and a search of google Scholar, which turned up 285 hits on Librescu's name, he was notable as a professor. When that is added into his actions on the day of the shooting, he is absolutely notable enough for his own article.--Alabamaboy 13:40, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I dropped the merge notice off (I'm the one who put it in), but please get citations in for the book references. Also, for anyone, the citation in there now need some cleanup. --StuffOfInterest 13:44, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Citations are now listed.--Alabamaboy 13:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The merge notice still appears on the main article on the tragedy so there may be further discussion. I agree that this article should not be merged. --Wordbuilder 13:58, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Professor Librescu's name has been taken off the parent article's merge notice pursuant to the consensus here. Rdfox 76 14:07, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

is regarded as a hero?

i dont like the line 'is regarded as a hero'. seems to be a pov here.

I'd think coming up with a few citations of this wouldn't be much of a problem. Inter\^Echo 14:10, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added one reference to the hero notice. There are a number of others that can be added.--Alabamaboy 14:19, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If his act is as described, hero is entirely appropriate. Intentionally putting one's life in known risk attempting to save others is the old-fashioned meaning of heroic. htom 14:44, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The students regarded him as a hero, it is not the same as you or me regarding him and then reporting him as such, giving a pov and reporting a pov is two different things. ▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡^Talk 16:33, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Holocaust survivor

The introduction of the article briefly mentions that he was a "Holocaust survivor" - but there is no detailed mentioning of this in the "Life and career" section. Can someone find out more and add it, (which concentration camp etc.). Bronks 15:20, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Haaretz newspaper reference has nothing to do with either Librescu or the shootings. It is about a moment of silence in Israel paid to remember the victims of the Holocaust. If no one else does so, I'll probably remove it soon. Corvokarasu 15:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it was not a German concentration camp, but some work camps/ghettos in Romania:

"When Romania joined forces with Nazi Germany in World War II, the young Librescu was interned in a labor camp, and then sent along with his family and thousands of other Jews to a central ghetto in the city of Focsani, his son said." (AP)

bogdan 16:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Does mention of his being a Holocaust survivor belong in the lead sentence? Is this really what he was notable for? Is there any standardization for how this is handled in other bios? It seems that this could be covered under family background, ect unless there is some reason for it to be in the lead. Thanks! --Tom 16:28, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]