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Wikipedia investigation

Thanks for participating in reverting all of my edits with valid arguments on the Flat Earth page. This only makes me doubt the globe narrative more. Why would Google and Youtube and YOU all work together to discredit the flat earth? What about freedom of speech? You don't even allow freedom of speech on TALK PAGES, let alone on the articles.

Here's my list of people who participate in this plot against the truth:

Drmies
Midori_No_Sora
OverlordQ
Knitsey]
Favonian
ScottishFinnishRadish
Objective3000
Hob_Gadling
Sjö
Dimadick
Sumanuil
Strebe
MrOllie

I will investigate what kind people you are and why you are doing this. Maybe someday you will pop up in the media with interesting details about how you are helping to deny freedom of speech and to suppress the truth.

Must be a boring job to do this, right?

It is curious that all of you are anonymous. You are controlling and censoring the world's most important source of information and you do this without even standing up for it with your real name. Real knowledge and science is people with real names. Nobody knows anything about and you dictate what is the truth? Lame!

And I have found out that you block editing of Wikipedia from almost everywhere. Tor, Azure, Oracle cloud etc. Why are you denying people to edit Wikipedia on a large scale? This is the opposite of neutrality and freedom of speech.

Cheers, Your investigator

There are many Flat Earth Societies all around the globe

This statement deserves to be in the article.

"There are many Flat Earth Societies all around the globe"

It was removed for no reason.

RamotHacker (talk) 06:44, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it because it is an old joke, not very funny, but most of all because it did not support the mission to build a serious and respected encyclopedia, see WP:NOTEVERYTHING. It is not the first time this has been added to (and removed from) Flat Earth articles, so this removal followed Wikipedia consensus. Sjö (talk) 06:55, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are two "The Flat Earth Societies". One referred to in the article is at [tfes.org]. The other is at [theflatearthsociety.org]. Both are mentioned in the 2016 article from the New Yorker Inside ‘Flat Earth,’ Tila Tequila’s New Belief System and the Wokest Conspiracy Theory of 2016. I'm not sure how to add this to the article given its current construction. It's also not clear if either of these "organizations" are incorporated or registered in any way.--Nowa (talk) 20:48, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Orion is not a Southern Hemisphere constellation

Orion is about half in the Northern Hemisphere and half in the Southern. For example, Betelgeuse (Alpha Orionis) is at Declination +7° 24′ 26″. Correcting this requires too much rewriting so I am leaving that to others; just pointing it out. 67.167.254.120 (talk) 08:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)Larry Siegel[reply]

That was simple. I deleted Orion, keeping Crux and Centaurus.

Also, new stuff goes to the bottom of the Talk page. --Hob Gadling (talk) 08:47, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Vehement voice

The vehemence is tangible… I get that flat earth is bullshit, but Wikipedia has a neutral voice policy for a reason. Please uphold it. 96.232.183.53 (talk) 00:56, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV doesn't mean that we don't call complete bullshit bullshit. Rather, the opposite. We get more than a few readers who believe in this nonsense. Acroterion (talk) 01:01, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As a corollary to "calling bullshit "bullshit", while some flat-earthers are just low-IQ and ignorant, many of these people are bad faith bullshitters, and it is appropriate to treat them with the contempt they deserve. There's plenty of Wikipedia contempt for those that dabble in "race realism", and so there is plenty of precedent to treat bad faith bullshitters in the manner that they deserve.2603:8081:3A00:414A:81A5:363F:2B7:1512 (talk) 14:33, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Domain of NPOV is opinions. There can be no neutrality about scientific facts as they are not opinions. One of Wikipedia's purposes it so stand such neutrality. Lajoswinkler (talk) 14:20, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Proofs for the skeptical

Should there not be a section with a bunch of different proofs that the earth is a rough sphere and/or a bunch of flat earth "arguments" that are clearly disproved? 146.231.177.14 (talk) 10:05, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No. This is not what Wikipedia is for. Instead, we should link to pages that do that. --Hob Gadling (talk) 10:59, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Added a link to Empirical evidence for the spherical shape of Earth to "See also". Koopinator (talk) 18:44, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I added an external link with arguments used by flat-earthers and the arguments against them. Sjö (talk) 06:53, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Galileo and Flat Earth

Apologize in advance for my lack of education, and please correct me if i am wrong, but it seems to me the most effective way to counter the anti-white propaganda of flat earth theory, is to simply duplicate history and describe the experiment that Galileo used to prove the curvature of the earth.

As I understand it, Galileo's experiment was to compare the length of two columns of equal height, set in the earth, miles apart from each other, at a specific time of day. The length of the shadows were significantly different, and Galileo's conclusion was that the only explanation for this differnce in shadow length was that the earth was curved, as a flat earth would have resulted in both shadows being the same length.

This is an easy thought experiment intelligent people can imagine, and would go a long way towards illustrating the intellectual deficiencies of those who are incapable of imagining this simple proof.

The Article would be improved if it mentioned Galileo and his proof.2603:8081:3A00:414A:81A5:363F:2B7:1512 (talk) 14:27, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand the reference about the Flat Earth "Theory" being anti-white?

This, and any Wikipedia page, is not to come up with new ideas about how to prove/disprove anything. The point is to write about what has been done. I'm certain this experiment has been done since, and if there is a suitable place in this article, or a different Flat Earth one, someone (or you) could write about it referencing suitable reliable sources. Capturts (talk) 04:25, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, flat-earthers correctly point out that the difference in the angle of shadows at two latitudes is equally well explained by a near sun. (But they cannot derive a consistent altitude for the sun as seen from any three latitudes.) —Tamfang (talk) 07:10, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think this experiment might be incorrectly attributed to Galileo, who was involved in the controversy about whether the Earth goes around the Sun (e.g. based on his discovery of the moons of Jupiter), not whether it was round. Perhaps you are thinking of the experiment of Eratosthenes to determine the size of the Earth? That is described at History of geodesy; astronomers noticed this phenomenon many centuries before Galileo. -- Beland (talk) 17:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]