Talk:Arceus

Arseus and Mew

Does anyone think Arseus has some sort of relation to Mew? -- Lord Crayak

No, no more than is needed by the fact that Arseus created the world, and presumably Mew. And it wouldn't matter if we did, per WP:OR. -Amarkov ^babble 00:37, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry but that is only a legend according to "Pokemon Legends". The strength of Arseus is great in the game, but its background story is just exaggerated like most Pokemon. Hence, it doesn't necessarily mean that Arseus created the world or is the most powerful Pokemon since Mew and Mewtwo are widely excepted as the most powerful Pokemon. In addition, clearer information will be provided about Arseues in the 10th movie. It will distinctly provides facts and clear any myths about it. Furthermore, Mew has no connection to Arseus, but since it contains the DNA of all Pokemon, it may have its abilities.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.0.140 (talk • contribs)

But, the 10th movie is going to feature Dialga and Palkia.67.87.66.127 12:44, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

The game, manga, and anime (tied with the movies) are different continuities. I mean for goodness sake, Pikachu can defeat ground-type Pokemon with his electric attacks in the anime - that's totally impossible in the game. As far as the game goes, it seems Arseus is God, and thus the most powerful: both in descriptive text and stat potential. Nargrakhan 17:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Obtaining method

Arseus is obtained after fully completeing the National Pokédex, not including any Special Event Pokémon. After talking to Professor Oak, he will give you an item. This will activate a special rock on Route 224, which will allow you to obtain Arseus.

Is this even confirmed? Blue Mirage|SMOOORG!!! 06:21, 8 October 2006

Is Prof. Oak even in this game? -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 06:36, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I can't imagine he isn't, he's been in every other game. Even if it was only in the intro for RSE. I don't think that whether or not he is in the game is a problem with this. The problem is that nobody has done it yet. -Amarkov ^babble 13:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it'll be obtained in a similar manner to rayquaza, getting a third version to itself. 84.67.131.217 20:37, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

More than not confirmed, its been disproven. At least without all the other unobtainables. 21:43, 15 October 2006 (UTC) 68.71.241.108

Oak is in the game. He gives you the National Dex after you complete the Shinou Dex. Squareenix

I don't beleive you should doupt Arseus for a second! I beleive that Arseus is the Ultimate God of all PKM, but what I dont Understand is y would they make Arseus availible in the first two games and not the game that completes the first two games. If Mew contains the DNA of all the pokemon and Arseus is said to have given some of his power to Mew then isn't it possible that some of Arseus DNA might have been in that power? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arguntom (talk • contribs).

Actually you get an item from an event called Heaven's Pipe and you play it on the top of Tengan Mt. Then, a shining stair case appears, at the top is an Arseus at lvl. 80. The Phantomad 14:59, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

"Arseus"?

What, no "Arseus" jokes yet? Everyone who has edited this article must be either Japanese or American. =) JIP | Talk 07:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I never even thought about it until you brought it up. Sometimes I just want to kick vandals in the "Arseus". -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 07:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

There are Arseus jokes. Just none here. -Amarkov ^babble 14:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I had thought of one that ended in "Wipeus", but I didn't really think it suitable for Wikipedia. Just you wait, the vandals will appear. Double Dash ^{(Talk to me)} 21:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that in America, it only really works if we start calling it Asseus. --Brandon Dilbeck 19:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Where you live, maybe, but over here in San Jose it works just fine as it is. -Amarkov ^babble 23:34, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't get the joke. Voretus^talk 17:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

The joke is that "arse" and "ass" are the same words. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 18:27, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh. Right. Carry on, then! Voretus^talk 18:53, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me I am rather confused, is Arseus the God of the pokemon world, if so then what does that make Ho-oh and Mew?, and who came first? --Xer

Poké-underlings. Who knows??? -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 04:30, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, the chicken came before the egg. And Arseus is the chicken. Cipher ^(Yell) 23:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I assume you're talking about the chicken egg. Because dinosaur eggs came before chicken eggs (as well as chickens). --Brandon Dilbeck 02:03, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe Arseus created Mew right after it was born and then it created 3 more Mew's which became those three mew like pokemon from Shinnouh of hope, dream and wisdom that embody the essence of life and then 2 more Mew's were created and they became the pokemon of time and space, and maybe after they created time and space Celebi was born and then Ho-oh, and Lugia, and then, Rayquaza, Kyogre and Groudon, and then Deoxis, and finally Ditto which led to basic evolution; BUT! where does that leave the Unown?????

...this isn't a place to post fan speculation. Blue Mirage | Comment 04:46, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Have any of you guys noticed that if Arseus's entire body is facing toward you, it looks like Speed Form Deoxys?67.87.66.127 20:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Ugh. Someone made an "Arseus" joke, changing all of the names to "Arse". Oh well. Floramage! 15:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Arseus' name was revealed to Arceus, a slight little change there.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Earth205 (talk • contribs)

Yeah, Arceus in the English version.—ウルタプ 02:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Picture?

14:41, 1 December 2006 216.11.82.90 (Talk) (Revert, what the hell??)
In response to my re-adding the Arseus picture. I would like to know just exactly what the problem is with the picture.
-- M C Y 1008 22:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

There is no problem. User has been warned for personal attacks. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 00:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Removals From the Characteristics

Back around Novemeber 5th or 6th, there were some characteristics removed. I was just wondering why, since they didn't seem to be bothering anything, and they just looked like food for thought. The specific references were making comparisons between Aruseus and the qilin, and also to the forest spirit from Princess Mononoke. I can understand the removal of the comparison to the cover of the 'pokemon jade' box, but the rest just seemed like it was removed unnecessarily. Os-osiris 15:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

It didn't have a source, so it was original research. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 15:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Thanks for the clarification, I hadn't realised it wasn't cited! Os-osiris 17:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Etymology

I just wanted to suggest the possibility that the name Arseus could be a portmanteau of the latin words Ars (art / technique), and Deus (God). I realize this is original research which is why I did not want to edit into the page just yet, but the possibility seems strong considering Arseus' role as the creator pokemon. At least I think it should be considered for when the etymology is added. Os-osiris 18:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Cool! Very smart! I think it may be a good idea to add it into the article. I don't think Zues is a part of the name, but a word that means "god"? I think that is much more likely. In my opinion, go ahead and do it! Floramage! 17:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

"Zeus" is actually very possible; in Japanese, Zeus is written "Zeusu" (not something like "Zuusu"...the Japanese are weird with ancient Greek), and "seusu" IS in Arseus's name (see rendaku for why "z" and "s" are somewhat interchangeable). But I'll admit I like ars and deus much better.—ウルタプ 00:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Still hard to say whether Zeus or Deus is the intended reference, but since they both originate from the same word "Dyeus", it is perhaps possible that they can both apply.Os-osiris 07:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

It kind of has a ring to it, huh? "Arseus". Nice. Floramage! 20:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I have my own idea as to the origin of the name of arseus. Perhaps its comes from the word arch and deus. arch means high,and deus means god. It could refer to the fact that there are other gods in pokemon(such the psychic trio)and is the highest god of them all. Also, it could be a reference to the christian god, since being the highest god, it could be called the god of gods, and the christian god is often given titles such as the king of kings or lord of lords. Makes sense no? Zodiarkserpentarius, 7:28 Pm 18 march 2007

That's also very possible. The origin of Arch being Arc, and since Arceus is being reported as the official english name by pe2k, it would appear to be the direction the translators chose.Os-osiris 07:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I was wandering through the Latin Wikipedia when I came upon the page for rainbow. Arcus. First thought was "Arceus," so I edited the article to reflect the possible connection, due to the fact that, using the plates, Arceus is, indeed, all types, thusly, a rainbow Pokemon. I had a total breakdown of grammar and syntax at the end and didn't finish the sentence well, if someone would like to change that. --Cage 17:58, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Erm... Its based on [b]Arc[/b]hangel Ze[b]us[/b]

I think this is the end.

This could be the last gen. for pokemon. Areus is the god pokemon and made time and space. It is also the most powerful pokemon. Think about it. This is the last pokemon in the Shinou Region and is the strongst. It could have created pokemon. It is possible that this is the last one.

This is NOT the last generation, Nintendo would not stop such a successful franchise because of an absurd reason like this. Blue Mirage | Comment 12:18, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, Satoshi Tajiri said that he had plans for 1,000 Pokémon, and we haven't reach 500 yet.67.87.66.127 12:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Satoshi might have had plans for about 1,000 pokemon but he may quit. When did he say that? If it was when Pokemon Red and Blue were out then he might think that that was to much. Yes of course he will continue but there is a possibility for the end. If he was going to make 1,000 pokemon then why would he make one that created space and time??? Even pokemon!!! Satoshi should have created it either at the beggining of pokemon or at the last game.

Although I myself find it strange the main Pokémon series would just end here, I can't possibly imagine where they could go after this. RSE had the raw forces of nature, and now DP has, quite literally, gods…
But I guess it's too early to say anything.—ウルタプ 21:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

This talk page is for discussion about this article, not for speculating about whether this is the end of Pokémon. It'd be interesting, though, if you could find a website where someone is making these same claims, because it might be interesting to add to the article if we do it right. --Brandon Dilbeck 23:59, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry guys for bringing it up. But it seems like it can be.Pendo 4 20:58, 9 January 2007 (UTC)Pendo 4

Sadly, I think this may in fact be the end. God. What pokemon could POSSIBLY overtake that? Although to be honest, I would like to see around 200 more. Just to get to Pokemon 666. Hmm. Fatpeople12345 17:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's the end at all! It all depends on how well the sales for D/P are. I mean, come on! Pokémon games have sold more than many other games and comes in as second only to the Super Mario series. I really don't think that the end is near. Besides, they may have the Creation Pokémon, but... where's the Destruction Pokémon? (Cue dramatic music) Sugimori may even create angelic Pokémon that may serve Arseus. That would be so cool! Floramage! 20:12, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think arseus created space and time. It is probably an exaggeration.71.105.223.13 03:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I dont kmow... Arceus did create Space and Time... What will happen? A God Creator God Pokemon?65.11.14.30 00:45, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I dunno. They've skipped over several mythologies (Russian, English, African), and there's still the possibility of pulling a Lewis Carroll or a Gary Gygax. However, and I don't mean to speculate, the big question is not what Legendaries are available in the next pass - it's what they can eke out of Africa, Europe, Russia, India, Australia, and the Americas beyond what they've gotten already. It's the same as Magic: The Gathering, only you're working with 100 or so per generation rather than ~6-700. -Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 02:05, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Don't count your chickens. They could do a world wide wipe like what happened between 2nd and 3rd gens, plus, they could make new regions that culminate in catching one legendary, like celebi, legitmately, plus, there hasn't been a mewthree yet, here's to hoping!68.185.192.83 05:13, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not counting ere they hatch. I'm saying there's still a boatload of stuff they haven't tapped into yet. -Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 04:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

The franchise's flagship product is certainly not going to end, there will be new games for years to come. This will, I think, be the last generation with the basic "get badges, defeat team, get legend, get anything else, beat e4" storyline. And, as for new pokemon, anythings possible. Cage 18:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Absol vs. Arseus

I was wondering. If you fully trained Absol to the max without the us, it's attack could be greater than most of Arseus's stats. Is that why they could be rivals?

Um... That's true of many Pokemon. 120 base is only high if it's in everything. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 03:48, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Arseus is the creator of all pokemon and he could beat any of them The only one that might be abel to deafet him is mewtwo—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.236.22.8 (talk) 01:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

For one, Aruseus is among the Ubers. But it's nowhere near being the Uber pokemon. Consider it a slightly weaker Alakazam with higher defenses, or a slightly less-sturdy Yonoir with higher offenses, or possibly even a slower Ninjask with better all-around stats. The straight 120s make it extremely flexible, but it also inhibits it from being as potentially useful as, say, a sweeping Groudon, or a tanking Lugia. That's basically my long-winded way of answering your question as, "No, they're not rivals." You Can't See Me! 08:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

???-Type Arseus?

There is a sprite of Arseus in the Bulbapedia Image Archives of Arseus being a ???-type[1]. Is this real? 67.87.66.127 00:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it was ripped from the games themselves. Either it's an error handler or some secret unobtainable form, as there is no plate for it to hold to make it transform into that. But it is indeed the ???-type. DanPMK 21:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Ugh... come on, people. The image [2]on the Bulbapedia Image Archives is of Arseus with the Larva Plate attached as a held item. See this page [3]... Please do more research before making ridiculous claims of there being a ???-type plate. -- The M.P. 03:30, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

…we're saying there isn't a ???-type plate…that's why it's weird there's a SPRITE for a ???-type Arseus. (See Psypoke - Picture Dex :: #493 - Aruseusu then click for the "unknown" sprite set.) Also, your "Larva Plate" argument is nil. Arseus's ring (and "trim", for lack of a better term) is a yellowish-green.—ウルタプ 04:26, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

i don't think that DanPMK should be so sure of himself, my first reaction would be that someone merely recolored a sprite, indeed it would be easy to do for Arseus because the rest of it is white and when you apply hue changes to an image, white and black are unaffected. I could make a GIF that has Arseus go through all it's colors and then upload it saying it's a RAINBOW-type Arseus. 9/10 times when it's seems weird it's a hoax -ΖαππερΝαππερ ^Babel_Alexandria 17:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. You guys appear to be partly right. The sprite is, indeed, ripped from the game, and is not actually Arseus with the Larva Plate attached. Furthermore, it's not a recoloring, as I had suspected, but not voiced. On the other hand, I highly doubt that this sprite is of a ???-type Arseus. The reasons? There is a shiny form of it, making this Arseus the only Pokémon with an alternate form aside from a shiny form (and apparently this form of Arseus also has a shiny form). My second reason for doubting a ???-type Arseus, is because the ??? type has never been used for attacks (aside from a status inducing/set damage inflicting one), and as a result, has no type matchups, meaning that we have no idea what type the ??? type is super effective against, not very effective against, or weak to. What do you say to that? -- The M.P. 19:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

... This just occurred to me. Seeing as Arseus is a legendary Pokémon, this possibility didn't cross my mind earlier. Could this be the male/female sprite of Arseus (because, of course, we didn't consider that the sprite we usually associate with the normal Arseus could be the male/female sprite), and, perhaps, the sprites are the same for the plate forms? I'm aware that none of the true legendaries have ever had genders, but maybe this time... -- The M.P. 20:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

No offense, but your "shiny ???-type makes no sense"...er, makes no sense. ALL the forms have shiny sprites.—ウルタプ 20:45, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

erm... I don't believe anyone ever said "shiny ???-type makes no sense". At least I didn't. Seeing as this strange form of Arseus has a shiny version, something I actually mentioned already, btw, I don't see how you could be directing that edit at me. -- The M.P. 15:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

It would make sense that even though you can't GET a ??? type Arseus, they'd still have to make a sprite for it as the ??? type is still coded into the game, it isn't obtainable without a Gameshark I presume, and then it would probably not have weaknesses OR resistances... yeah, I'm through. The Phantomad 15:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

According to Serebii. net, Arceus actually is a normal type, but when given a plate such as the Larva plate mentioned earlier, it changes its type, (for example, when Arceus is given a Larva plate, it changes into a bug-type, and so on.)although whether this is true is debatable.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Earth205 (talk • contribs)

It is true. That's kind of its main premise.—ウルタプ 03:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Ahem... I did some research. It appears that in Pokémon G/S/C, the first game that the ??? type appeared in, of course, the ??? type was, in fact, programmed as a possible attack type (obviously). Now to my point -- the developers neglected to program the ??? type as a Pokémon type. I would assume that this would be the same for Pokémon D/P. If there does happen to be a ??? type Pokémon type in D/P, though, we'd be seeing either no type matchups whatsoever, or a glitch. I, for one, am still not convinced that there is a ??? type Arceus (yes, people. Please call it Arceus, the U.S. name). If the ??? type was intentionally included in the games, it would defeat the purpose of Judgement Pebble because the ??? type has no type matchups. If it wasn't intentionally put in the game, well, we wouldn't have this sprite of the alleged ???-type Arceus. -- The M.P. 23:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Maybe someone should just take a cheat device and try to mess with one got from the NWFC? Cage 18:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Image

Is that seriously official art? It looks like some kid traced it or gave the sprite a blow-up and makeover...—ウルタプ 04:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Seriously! It looks like total crap! I REALLY hope that isn't official... Floramage! 05:09, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

no it;s not the official art, it is currently still unavailable. If anyone happens to find a full body picture, leave the link and i can upload it. -ΖαππερΝαππερ ^Babel_Alexandria 17:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Are we talking about the sprite that's currently used in the article? It's the same picture that's used in the video games. --Brandon Dilbeck 18:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

A few days ago someone replaced the sprite with a crappy hand-drawn image. The sprite was reinstated.—ウルタプ 18:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Missing essential information about Arseus?

Shouldn't the article have some discussion of Arseus being a "god" pokemon or having "created the world" or being the "creator" pokemon? Why does the article make no mention of this when the talk page does? --Wykypydya 05:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

It sure was there at one point...I'm too lazy to go through the history, but it was probably deleted by a vandal and overlooked by a good editor or something.—ウルタプ 06:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I think I commented it out because it wasn't sourced. The Mew thing seemed pretty weird... I started putting (most of) it back in, though ('cause the Pokédex translations at Bulbapedia corroborate the statements, mostly), and Wykypydya beat me to it. :P Is there anything that says that thing about Mew, though, 'cause that part seems like OR.—M_C_Y_1008 (^talk/_contribs) 16:57, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

On a mildly related note, does anyone have a transcript of all the text found on the back of the plates? Cage 18:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Event

You're all sort of dancing around with this. What IS the event? And if this thing is a god how is it useable in Wi-Fi battles? You can't have more than one in there. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 16:43, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm guessing that the event is some sort of Nintendo giveaway like when they transferred Mew to players last September. --Brandon Dilbeck 17:53, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

So theoretically you could get it using some sort of mod program (if they ever make one for the DS). H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 18:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

You mean like a GameShark?  :-O That's CHEATING!! Does anyone know exactly what the "event" in the article is? It's a bit vague as is and should probably be fixed. --Brandon Dilbeck 18:04, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't have time to drive out to the Poke shop in New York for a Pokemon! H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 18:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Whatever event it takes to get Arseus hasn't happened or been announced anywhere. Everyone's just been assuming since the Heaven Pipe can't be normally obtained.—ウルタプ 22:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Protection

Can I ask why the article has been semi-protected? There doesn't seem to be the vandalism to warrant it. --Brandon Dilbeck 06:04, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it's to stop new users from changing "Arseus" to "Arceus".- Floramage! 15:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

... to tell the truth, frankly, the new users are appearing smarter than whoever locked this article from new user editing. At least right now. "Arceus" as opposed to "Arseus" is the official U.S. name. Now, if that someone or at least a person with authority lifted that lock, they would be doing themselves or another person a favor by not making themselves look ingnorant, and truly, not worthy to be working on this article. -- The M.P. 19:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Sweetie, sorry to burst your bubble, but "Arceus" has yet to be confirmed. Until someone is able to prove that it is the official English name, it will be the new users who look ignorant, not the person or people who locked the page. I'd love for you to cite the official source of Arseus' true, English, and confirmed name. (Serebii.net and other fansites do not count as actual sources.) Have fun, honey.- Floramage! 19:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Please don't write in a provocative manner. I've not the patience for it. Anyhow, the name "Arseus" was an early name misunderstanding, and it is now understood (by some, at least) that "Arceus" is the official U.S. name. Furthermore, would you care to cite a reliable source that directly or indirectly states that the name of our Pokémon here is "Arseus", or are you accepting Wikipedia as a reliable source, which obviously is not? To continue, how can rules that you make up apply to Wikipedia? serebii.net and other fansites (depending on the reliability of these sites, of course) can and do "count as an actual source." If several fansites known to be reliable in the past support consistent material, they simply must be trusted. Building on that, I'm sure you'd be happy to know that I've found several reliable sites supporting my "claim", if you will. See the following: [4], [5], [6], and [7]. Not to mention bulbapedia.net also acknowledges arceus' name as "arceus", although even I wouldn't count bulbapedia.net as a particularly reliable source. Now that you've seen the evidence, you can't just blow it off because they're fansites and continue to be ignorant, can you? I'd like to see your answer. -- The M.P. 23:04, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Your problem is, you're citing fansites which fail WP:RS and WP:ATT since they are self-published and have no independent fact-checking source. When the English name is OFFICIALLY confirmed by Nintendo of America, we will change it to reflect the official US name. Until then, these fansites don't cut the mustard as they all fail RS and ATT. -Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 01:09, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Jeske Couriano brings up a good point. They are only fansites created by fans and are not in collaboration with Nintendo. Unless Pokemon.com states that "Arceus" is the actual, official English name, it cannot and should not be placed in the article. There simply is no proof. If its announced as official, fine. Then you were right. But at the very least, you should acknowledge the fact that we Wikipedians that are part of the Pokémon Collaborative Project are following the rules that apply to editing articles. Is that truly being ignorant? I don't believe it is; we all know that the name was leaked to several fansites and no one denies that, but the fact of the matter is, sweetie, that there's no solid evidence besides those rumors that the names are real for any of the 4th Generation Pokémon. So calm down and be kinder and more respectful to others. We are only trying to make this and several other articles as accurate as possible. So don't you go around calling anyone but yourself ignorant. And also: "Please don't write in a provocative manner"? What in the world are you referring to? "Sweetie" and "Honey"? That's simply how I speak and it just so happens that is how I type and write to others as well. Hmph.- Floramage! 04:25, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

It may be how you type personally, but it's still provocative to others. Please understand that! Voretus 05:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Arceus, n00b!!

Seriously! CHECK SEREBII.NET!! If we could just follow their updates here, pokelife here would be SOOOO much easier! But, on a less anarchist note, NOOBS! Don't just blatently edit the article, thinking you know it's right! Listen to Aretha, it's called "R-E-S-P-E-C-T"!!!!! >_<—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Teh Winrar (talk • contribs) 21:24, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Seriously, CHECK RELIABLE SOURCES AND CIVILITY! -`Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 22:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Check wikt:blatantly, too. :) – mcy1008 (talk) 00:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Do Tell...

Right. Seeing as one of my questions has failed to be answered in the topic 'Protection', though I've asked twice, I'll continue to persist by asking it again in a topic where I can expect to receive an answer, instead of blatant ignorance. Can anyone explain to me the merits of titling this article 'Arseus'? By now, you can most likely tell that this is a rhetorical question. Anyhow, if those of you who refuse to call 'Arceus' 'Arceus' can't confirm that the name is indeed 'Arseus' by means of a source that meets the WP:RS and WP:ATT guidelines, can't you admit, we currently have a problem? I suggest we wait until the release of D/P. If the name, by some unlikely chance, is 'Arseus', nothing's wrong, and I'm wasting your time. If the name is 'Arceus', though, this article will be renamed and moved elsewhere, and the lock preventing new users from editing this article will be removed. Absolutely no exceptions. In fact, I'd like an apology from some of you for being unreasonably ignorant if the name is 'Arseus', but I can't make you. After all, it's generally accepted, even now that the name is 'Arceus'. If the official U.S. name is 'Arceus', one can derive that an official source released the name before the release of D/P, meaning that your claims of the impossibility of confirming the name 'Arceus' were, emphatically, untrue, making you ignorant, despite your wishes otherwise. With that, I expect answers only from anyone replying -- not any indignant defenses of your reputation. I already proved that those of you who believe the name is 'Arseus' are, in fact, ignorant, if the name is 'Arceus'. -- The M.P. 01:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

...because Arseus is what's official in Japan. We're not moving because whether it is or not, Serebii et al are not giving us proper sources to allow moves to Arceus.

In any case, is it so difficult to wait 12 days when it'd be alright to move it no matter what?—ウルタプ 01:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

On another slightly related note, I noticed that this article, along with many others, has no source on the names that are given. It might be given somewhere that this Pokemon is called Arseus, but where? Calling it Arseus right now seems just as unsourced as calling it Arceus is. Can someone add a source? Voretus 21:27, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Not to be condescending, but you honestly didn't know that these are Nintendo's trademark names?--Tempest115 22:08, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

... We all know very well that we're discussing "Nintendo's trademark names". Would you mind elaborating on who that edit was directed at? Anyhow, the ironic thing right now is that there is no confirmation by any stretch of the imagnation that the name in Japanese versions is 'Arseus'. A simple translation's not going to cut it -- especially by Wikipedia's standards. Voretus argued the same point that I've been trying to make all along. I liked the part where he said, "Calling it Arseus right now seems just as unsourced as calling it Arceus is."... -- The M.P. 22:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

The use of the word "you" was inappropriate, as it was meant to inform the general public. If I remebr correctly thought, Nintendo trademarks the official romanizations of Japanese Pokèmon names. So these names are the official translations.--Tempest115 22:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Right, I'm not denying that at all, I'm just asking for sources. Voretus 14:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Why is this such a problem? There's no point in moving the article from "Arseus" to "Arceus" if it ends up being incorrect. If it indeed is confirmed that the name is "Arceus", whoop-dee-doo. Congratulations. All of you fighting for "Arceus" were correct. Yay. But what if you're wrong? Then we'd have to move the article AGAIN and change all the "Arceus"s into "Arseus"s. It's not blatant ignorance, it is the fact that Serebii.net does NOT cite its sources.- Floramage! 15:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Why is this article at Arseus instead of Aruseusu? Voretus 16:58, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

The something Romanization or something...- Floramage! 19:05, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

The Hepburn Romanization. -Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 19:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

That's what it is! Seriously, it was on the bloody tip of my tongue! Heh, thanks!- Floramage! 23:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Null perspiration, chummer. -Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 23:28, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't see why some still fail to understand what I'm saying. We all wait until the official U.S. name is and can be confirmed. When it is, if the name is 'Arseus', everything stays the same. If the name is 'Arceus', everything is moved and we change all of the names to 'Arceus'. Why don't we all shut up and wait? That will effectively eliminate all of this mindless pettiness. I already feel sick. -- The M.P. 20:32, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I simply want to thank you all for your cooperation in many ways. -- The M.P. 23:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Please!!

Can we just wait! We don't know if Serebii's right or not!!Sonic,Pikachu,and Snorunt 19:31, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Erm, we already are waiting. And it doesn't matter if Serebii is right or not; they won't reveal where they get their information. -Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 19:36, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Check youtube

they have video of a guy catchin him in english ver —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.58.202.234 (talk) 22:37, 30 April 2007 (UTC).

But what does that prove? Bupkus. Ever heard of a GameShark or other cheat device? -Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 22:38, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

If it were being USED by the video's creator, maybe. But I doubt that an AR can alter a foe's name (however it's programmed). Blue Mirage | Comment 08:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Fixes

I attempted to edit and shorten up this page, cutting out needless information (which mostly just details how Arceus looks) yet it seems protected. Why is that? Do we really need so much clutter? We know what Arceus looks like. No reason to put it into a multi-paragraph format. EDIT: I've cleaned it up again and I would appreciate if it stayed this way. It's much cleaner and far less cluttered with description on appearance (though much of it has remained.) - Ainote