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Ahahahaha, pregnancy fetishism. Is there something you're not telling us, Voretus? Moogy (talk) 13:42, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Direct manipulation interface, what the heck hahaha Voretustalk 15:04, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Video Games in Einherjar[edit]

I think that keeping the three separate titles of video games in the Einherjar article, without much better clarification, is rash and invites cruft. You said it yourself on your talk page:

Saying that Roger is named after Roger Taylor on Bridget is fine, but putting that in a "Trivia" section on the Roger Taylor page is lame.

Its the same concept, but with Einherjar. I realize that video games have different categories - I play a variety of games myself: FPS, RTS, Platformers, and MMORPGs. However, I don't know how to prevent a huge list of mentions from arising and still putting forth some individual games. I agree that "not all video games are the same and should be grouped together". However, as it is, the list is comprised 50% of video game references (most of which are not particularly "notable" video games [Doom, Half-Life, Final Fantasy, World of Warcraft, people outside of gaming would know something about, or at least know of its existence]). One has it as an nondescript "prominent role", another a "myth unit", and another as a class of "boss". What would prevent further additions with weapons named after einherjar, playable areas, races, teams, plotlines, characters, quests, spells, ships, gods, etc? The list could be almost infinite. For instance, the list used to contain a large amount of games that you removed. What differentiates most of those from the ones currently left on the list? Some of those entries were from games considerably more "notable" than the ones currently listed. I felt that combining video games into a single entry with a link to video game would prevent the addition of a lot more mentions, and still provide information on how the einherjar are factored into video gaming. Perhaps the entry should read more like this:

Einherjar have played a role in a variety of video games by acting as inspiration for storyline, plot, characters, and are used in naming conventions for items, areas, and vehicles.

I'd like to work with you on this, and try to better understand your reasoning for leaving all three as separate entries. Also, I would like to know what would qualify the removal of other games from the list in comparison to the one's currently left on. --Xiliquiern 15:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

The list was a lot worse before, with many, many VG references. I trimmed them down to what I thought were the most notable examples (this was completely arbitrary, of course).
Say there were multiple notable bands called Einherjar. I would advocate having a separate sentence or two for each of them. Same with notable books.
Each game is completely separate. They may be the same media, but they are each different enough to warrant mentioning.
Regarding the sentence about Roger Taylor from my userpage, that mostly refers to extremely non-notable things in articles about very notable things. This is why I removed the reference in Einherjar to a single sword used by a video game character. If that single sword had a large article, maybe it would warrant inclusion. I have taken out the reference in Einherjar to the Age of Mythology unit since it is crufty and I didn't mean to leave it in in the first place. Einherjar play a very very large part in both Mega Man Zero 4 and Valkyrie Profile, which are both quite notable (in my opinion). Would it be better if their significance in each VP was explained?
My opinion would likely be different if Einherjar had more of a global scope or significance, or were more fleshed out. What do you think? Voretustalk 15:54, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I can understand your point of view and definitely thank you for editing out the ones you did. With bands and books, if there are more than two, I usually group them together and make a prose section (there are usually not more than 3 to 4, though - Video games have an especially numerous and broad breadth of interest).
In this case, I think it would be worthy to make both the Mega Man and the VP entry into a single prose section (still covering both games as separate topics) and provide a little more detail on how they are used? Nothing too much, maybe a total of 6 sentences? This would certainly make their use more clear and archetypal. I'll try to do the same with the band and the other entry, so we may get away from the list setup and back to a prose based section. Sound reasonable? (I also think the article itself could use some work, too bad I don't know much about it! It seems like a good topic to link to other religions for a better "world view" within the article, like you mentioned.) -- Xiliquiern 16:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, that sounds great; I think the section would be much better that way. Go for it.
I'm pretty interested in Norse religion/mythology, so I might expand the article itself if I find extra time. Linking the concept to other religions is a good idea! Voretustalk 16:11, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I just did a little edit on this (my prose is poor - not in a good mood for it). What do you think? (Einherjar) --xiliquierntalk 19:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I separated the literature and band parts since they were stuck together in a way which didn't make much sense, but it's a lot better than the old bulleted list. I like it. Voretustalk 19:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Just wondering if you knew...[edit]

I noticed you deleted the Nowhere-Else and Beyond link in the MMORPG list, but do you know what happened to the Nowhere-Else and Beyond page? It seems to have disappeared and I don't know why. It's not in the deletion logs as far as I can tell, and I was wondering if you had any idea. That you for your help! Garth of NEaB 13:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Nowhere-Else_and_Beyond has a deletion in its logs. I had nothing to do with it though, I just deleted the link in the list of MMOs since it was red. Sorry! Voretustalk 13:52, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I know why you deleted it, thank you for your help! I found the logs soon after I posted this, sorry to bother you. Garth of NEaB 14:06, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Your edit to Wii[edit]

In regards to your most recent edit to the Wii article, the previous version was done to avoid the problem of "the Wii" versus "Wii". At least one user changed the start of the article to "The Wii is..." which could have started a lengthy discussion (or even another edit war). I'm trying to sidestep possible conflict. Just64helpin 19:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

There's a comment in <!--- right at the top that says not to do so. That should be enough. Saying that it's the name of the console is, as stated in my most recent edit summary, usually bad form. Voretustalk 19:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, many editors blindly go past that text. Just64helpin 19:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Then... why not revert them if they do? If it's inaccurate to call it "the Wii", then there should be no problem in reverting those edits. Also note that the article refers to "Wii" without the "the" later on a few times. Adding "the name of" doesn't address those instances.
The extra text in the beginning that you add seems extremely out of place. Voretustalk 19:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
It seems like your changes were done for personal/aesthetic reasons, rather than in keeping with Wikipedia guidelines. Just64helpin 20:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Same for yo-- wait, did you even read my reasons? Doesn't seem like it. Here it is again on the offchance that things above this line can't be read on your computer screen.
"Saying that it's the name of the console is, as stated in my most recent edit summary, usually bad form."
In case my edit summary ( !!! ) has been lost in the internet somewhere, would we say "Silent Hill is the name of a video game series", or "Silent Hill is a video game series"? I hope you can see the problem. Voretustalk 20:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I can understand your rationale, although Silent Hill is technically the name of a singular game (unlike, say, The Simpsons, which is the name of a series). Just64helpin 20:21, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Kagetsu Tohya[edit]

Thanks for saving this from the mad romanization spree. I was too lazy to revert it myself. Moogy (talk) 19:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, no problem. Voretustalk 20:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I moved it because "Tohya" is broken and makes no sense, despite its popularity. I admit I didn't adhere strictly to WP:MOS-JP, and that should be fixed. However, since there's no official licensed product named "Kagetsu Tohya", there's no reason to have that article, other than as a redirect to the proper name, which would be Kagetsu Tōya under WP:MOS-JP. mathrick 11:53, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


I've undone your Reverts on Valkyrie Profile and Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth. While I can see the pros and cons of going with one name over the other for the main article for the game, I'd prefer it if we could come to an agreement on things before reversions are necessary.

Feel free to leave a response in the Valkyrie Profile talk page. Cheers, Lankybugger 21:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


I came to make sure no admins-who-are-stalking-me came and yelled at you for editing my userpage and saw this lollery, looooool Miltopia 05:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Secret of Evermore[edit]


Just wanted to give you a shout, as I rarely run into people that remember the game Secret of Evermore, much less have it as one of their favorites! Great choice Nuzz604 17:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's really sad that people seem to have forgotten it :( Voretustalk 18:34, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I was gonna say so too when I first saw your userpage but I thought you'd think I was weird. I haven't actually played it, but it's on my todo list. Miltopia 21:56, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
A lot of people don't like it because it's slower than most of the Mana series. It has a wonderful atmosphere, though, and the gameplay and difficulty are a lot more streamlined. Also I am never weirded out by small talk ever. Voretustalk 01:47, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


Uhhh... Sorry, but he well did it first. Nol888 21:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

No need to apologize; I'm personally fine with stuff like that but most people aren't and it's against the rules :) Voretustalk 21:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

i’m lovin’ it[edit]

OK, but “I’m loving it” seems decidedly slang-y… I’m pretty sure most native English-speakers—especially non-American ones (…?)—would just say “I love it.” I mean, when would you actually say “I’m lovin’ it” unless you were hangin' with Mr. Cooper or Poochie? And contractions are perfectly valid Standard English… So if the literal meaning is I am loving it, why not just leave the English slogan “untranslated?” —Wiki Wikardo 08:58, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd be perfectly fine with "I'm loving it." I just changed it because it said it literally meant "I love it" before, which has a different, albeit only slightly different, meaning. I have nothing against contractions. Voretustalk 14:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, what’s the different meaning, or connotation? I know the progressive present tense is different than the present tense, but I maintain that in this case the former is an affected way of expressing the latter. —Wiki Wikardo 18:39, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Danny Tanner[edit]

I believe that Danny Tanner vandalism has been cleaned up. Thanks for all your help.UP2HHH 01:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


You’ve reverted my article Einherjar I’m very angry with you! …(I’m joking!). My articles are seriously sources with famous historians and archaeologist. My English isn’t very good I know, so can you find a solution to resume what I've exposed in the discussion page? Thanks for your help. Thorgis 09:54, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much Voretus! If you come to Paris you are welcome on my Viking Ship (copy of Gostad boat)Thorgis 17:40, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
No problem, and thank you. Voretustalk 17:48, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


Hello! Could you please explain me the reasons why you deleted the message I left you about 3RR? Thank you!

Because I didn't violate 3RR. Voretustalk 20:44, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

DM Ashura AFD[edit]

When did I edit someone elses comment? I'm Bkid, my mistake for not signing in.

There's no way that I can tell if that's true. Voretustalk 21:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Here, good enough for you now? Bkid 21:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, of course. I'm not trying to be difficult; I really had no way to tell. Just in case you felt persecuted. Voretustalk 21:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, I understand that, and in a way I sort of see why you can't just take my word for it. :) Bkid 21:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Your opposition[edit]

Hello Voretus. I respect your opposition to my candidacy. However, you cite one sentence : in the next sentence, I stated - "Fandom about notable memes (TV series, music or film heroes, games, the glory of the place you were haphazard born in) may be understood." Thank you. -- DLL .. T 17:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh. Sorry. I didn't quite understand what that meant... Sorry about the election; I hope it doesn't discourage you. Keep trying. Voretus/talk 17:17, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Cork (city)[edit]

Hi there. I re-instated the dab link on that page, as the page recently went through a controversial move and we've just come out of a month-long edit war over the matter. Check out the talk page - Alison 20:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah. I didn't realize. Having the dab header there seems a bit silly still, but I guess it's fine. Voretus/talk 20:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Street Fighter articles[edit]

    • Well if you don't understand why it is wrong to have the full names as the article title then stop trying to make changes. Please leave the articles as they are. I have moved all Street Fighter character's articles so the most common name is the title of the article and not their full names. You have moved some pages back, leave them so they all match. Discuss here if you think it's wrong - Talk:Street Fighter (series). Mr.bonus 19:06, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. The full names are very very common and it looks like there was no discussion on that page as to whether your moves were correct or not. Voretus/talk 21:21, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
They are not very very common and even if they were, they're nowhere near as common as the name the characters always go by. How many times have you read 'Sakura Kasugano' in a Capcom game as opposed to just Sakura? Unless you are a hardcore fan of the series you won't even know the character's last names (and even then, simply being a hardcore fan isn't enough, as you have to delve into outside sources to even find these names - just try and find one instance in a Capcom game where Rolento or Sakura’s last names are revealed). You are trying to include extra biograhical information in the article title. Why not have the page titled "Sakura (16 year old girl)"? The pages must be named after the names the characters most often go by in the games. Ken for example, has been officially named Kan Masters 1 time (US translated Alpha 3 introduction story), he has been named just Ken every single time he has appeared (player select, story text, name at top of screen, endings, everywhere - the character is called Ken). Plus the pages will never match if you have half having the only just canon last names visible and pages with just the first names. Mr.bonus 23:32, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
They give the characters' full names in tons and tons of the manga/comics. Voretus/talk 02:51, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the completely reasonable response to the editor review I did of you. Your points are well taken, e.g. the foodshake thing did evoke a little "what the hell"ness out of me too. See you around I hope! Peace, delldot | talk 03:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for having requested an editor review. A month has passed since it has been posted there, and it has been archived. You can find it at Wikipedia:Editor review/Voretus, where you may read last minute additions.

We would really appreciate your help in reviewing a random editor. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 00:58, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Good Article Fate/stay night[edit]

Hullo, I noticed you recently updated the FSN article to "good" status, and I must testify that it does *not* meet the requirements for a Good Article under any objective analysis, and I am petitioning to have that status revoked. Unlike many of the other individuals who have contributed to the article in the past few days, I have been actively working on the FSN main page and its sub-pages since April 2006, giving me more experience with the knowledge of the content in the article than the other editors. There are numerous flaws and or violations, in regard to citations, images, format, and style that were ignored or undetected in the haste to improve the article status. Please pay attention to the "Good Article" topics on the talk page in the next few days as I prepare a list of weaknesses in the article that need to be corrected before the article is deserving of "Good Article" status. 08:18, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


lol Moogy (talk) 16:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

yep glad you noticed
i'm also glad to know that you have my userpage watchlisted! Voretus/talk 16:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I mark everything I ever edit as watched. Moogy (talk) 16:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Ah. That would be too confusing on my end due to using Special:Random a lot. Voretus/talk 16:10, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


  • I reverted your change. Most casual fans call this move a "fireball", and the quarter-circle-forward motion is indeed referred to as "fireball motion". JuJube 01:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
    • It's not sourced, so I guess your change has to stand, but I'm somewhat stupefied that you've never heard this move called "fireball" before. It's even on the Fireball page. JuJube 01:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
      • Sorry, it just kind of irked me for no apparent reason. But yeah, I might be hanging around the wrong type of people, but I've really never heard it called anything but "hadouken" or "hadoken" before. Voretus 15:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Dark Chronicle[edit]

Yeah, well... Consensus was reached before that that it should stay as Cark Chrolnicle and then that decision was kinda overwritten just like that. So what's to say that you consensus is better than the first consensus. (Djungelurban 13:40, 28 January 2007 (UTC))

It's newer. Voretus/talk 15:06, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Shawn Hornbeck[edit]

I understand your position on the use of the word rape vs sodomy. However you have to see the side that his aledged abductor is not being charged with "rape", the charge is in-actual-fact, described in the accounts, on this case as "forcible sodomy". Wjhonson 21:11, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I changed the wording to say "forcible sodomy". It's fine with me that way. The way it was before didn't make much sense to me. Voretus 21:13, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

The moves[edit]

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computer and video games#Should the main article be for the series or the first game?. It was pipelinked in the first sentence. Since it's more of a policy change rather than a individual article basis, the discussion was held in the WikiProject. --SeizureDog 20:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh. Do you mind if I complain here on my talk page? That's dumb. I suppose since the CVG project is pretty much the governing body for video game-related stuff around here, there's not much I can do now, but it's kind of a bummer for me. I'm sure it's a bummer for a lot of people that would have liked to participate in a discussion like that. Not everyone who is interested in video games (myself) wants to be part of the CVG project, and none of the pages in question had a link to that discussion on their talk pages, even though they were directly affected by it. Voretus 21:04, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I just noticed that the discussion wasn't fully closed. Could you hold off on trying to implement it for a while? It might also be nice to put notices on some of the affected talk pages... Voretus 21:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

For Commons purposes[edit]

I am the same person as commons:User:Voretus. Voretus 16:21, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

TNA iMPACT![edit]

See my comments on User talk:Chriscf#Talk:TNA iMPACT!. But further to your specific comment; Wikipedia:Naming conventions is the naming convention and unless there is a specific naming convention, (which Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks) is not it is part of the MOS and is a good example why redirects exist) "Generally, article naming should prefer to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature". But leaving that aside, as I said to Chriscf, the people involved in the discussion should be the arbitrators of this and it should not be decided on the wim of an admin unless the call is close the admin chooses to present an opinion to tilt the decision one way or the other, which I choose not to do. I hope that on reflection that you will accept my decision and move on. There are lots of other pages where our energies would be better spent. --Philip Baird Shearer 18:42, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for your help Voretus! As a new user to Wikia I am very pleased that someone explained to me my error! :)

--Cordially, Abelius 20:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: In regards to [1][edit]

Sorry about that, my bad. It looked like vandalism at the time. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 19:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Buffalo wing?[edit]

I reverted your move from buffalo wings to "buffalo wing". If a prepared food dish is referred to in the plural, then the article should reflect that (e.g. french fries, not "french fry"). If you truly feel it should be moved, then you can add a {{move}} tag to the article and open a discussion. --Vossanova o< 19:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Naming conventions say to use singular forms unless things are referred to exclusively (or almost exclusively) with the plural. Just like tree is not located at trees.
  1. "Would you like a buffalo wing?"
  2. "I ate a buffalo wing last night."
  3. "I can only eat one buffalo wing because I'm too full from eating many buffalo wings earlier."
I don't understand why the article should be located at the plural form. Voretus 20:38, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Tomato soup, cold yet savory[edit]

I left a note intended primarily for you at Talk:Tomato soup; it's about that article, so this is just a heads up to reply there if you'd like. --CalculatinAvatar(C-T) 06:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Danny Tanner[edit]

Please stop removing my edits, they are valid. If you continue to revert, you will subject to a band. --WRE451 07:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, sure. Voretus 15:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Regarding reverts[edit]

Voretus, thank you for bringing to my attention the one mistake relating to an unfavorable comment that was reverted. Duly noted, my apologies. As to this multiple layered vandalism, 99% of the time when an editor, registered or otherwise, makes a string of vandalized edits, they are all caught by Vandalproof. In this particular instance, only one of the two consecutive edits from this anon user were reverted. Note that it was, indeed, not "replace nonsense for nonsense". It was simply a software glitch wherein only one instance was caught. And an impartial reading of my talk page indicates various editors who appreciate my bringing vandalism to their attention and, in one instance at least, restoring the integrity of their user talk page. I hardly think that a comment such as "not everything has to be done extremely speedily or blindly" is in accordance with civility. Regards. Netkinetic(t/c/@) 16:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Crystal Gail Mangum[edit]

The only job she had at that time was as a sex worker; therefore the only 'customers' she could have had were people paying her for sex acts. That one time she admits to having sex with a 'customer' makes her a prostitute. Duke53 | Talk 20:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

If I worked as a stripper, I would hope I would still be able to have sex with people without being labeled a prostitute. It is entirely possible that Mangum stripped for someone who started chatting her up, or someone that she thought was attractive. This could have led to sex without monetary/other compensation, which is what I believe she meant in that account. She probably prostituted herself, but that source does not say that. Voretus 20:34, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
The operative word in the statement is "customer", it doesn't say 'beau', new boyfriend', 'paramour', etc., it says 'customer'. I am fairly adamant about this, so I will be asking for a consensus on it. She worked at least once as a prostitute.Duke53 | Talk 20:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Say that some guy worked as a lawyer. A client came in, the two conducted business, and then decided to have steamy sex in the back room because they both thought the other was attractive. The lawyer would still be having sex with his customer, but neither of the two would be prostituting themselves. Voretus 20:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
You're still missing a key point: her only 'gainful' employment at that time was as a sex worker; all of her 'customers' expected some sort of sexual gratification from her ... she says that one 'lucky customer' got the 'full monty'. Duke53 | Talk
I don't read it the same way you do. Voretus 20:53, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Mr. Brownstone[edit]


Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent contribution removed content from Mr. Brownstone. Please be more careful when editing articles and do not remove content from Wikipedia without a good reason, which should be specified in the edit summary. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you would like to experiment again, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Potatoswatter 18:18, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I did specify the reason in the edit summary. Voretus 01:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
And I'm not new, so don't leave me a welcome test template please. Voretus 01:32, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

re: Bot[edit]

Thanks for the heads up. I'm still wondering why the interwiki bot did that. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 04:47, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

not a good EL[edit]

Hi I would like to know the reasons as to why you deleted that link. I haven’t found a better article which tackles “'ontogenesis recapitulates phylogenesis' postulate” There are also some extremely important quotes about Jungs Nazi involvement. I think they are highly relevant to the whole corpus. I am sure they cannot be included in the main Encyclopedia article but a link serves good in such a case.

The link might be relevant, but it doesn't follow Wikipedia:External links#Links_normally_to_be_avoided. Sorry. Voretus 18:07, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

re: Carl Jung[edit]

Thank you for putting an end to issue on the Carl Jung article. jwadeo 21:26, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if I really played that big of a part, but I'm glad as always to help. Voretus 15:14, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Please stop improperly revising Martha My Dear[edit]

You are removing information that is "common knowledge" in deference to a citation of a citation. Must I really show you the 500,000 references to Paul McCartney's writing of Martha My Dear being inspired by his Old English Sheepdog, or are you going to continue to vandalize the page?

Please stop this trolling immediately. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ron S (talkcontribs).

I'm not trolling, and yes, you must show references. The stuff I removed was mostly about it being about Jane Asher. This is not common knowledge, unless maybe everyone in the world is a Beatles nerd. Voretus 20:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

You are ruining good information leaving only information that cannot be verified, other than a citation of a citation. You can't find and haven't read the original, have you? There was no "Martha Muse" for whom the song was written. It is completely unsubstantiated AFAICT, but I left it in place because I can't PROVE that it is not so. However, you are removing what is "common knowledge" amongst people who care about the subject, supported by thousands of websites, becasue why?

OK, here are some links from "common knowledge" "The name for this song by Paul came from his Old English Sheepdog. But, it wasn't about a dog, but was another of Paul's songs directed at his former love interest Jane Asher. Although but this time in 1968 Paul had started dating Linda Eastman, in this song, Paul is asking Jane not to forget him, as he believed they were really meant for each other. Paul went on to marry Linda in 1969, and Jane married cartoonist Gerald Scarfe in 1981, a relationship formed in the seventies. " "McCartney’s Martha My Dear, was written about the love of a girl, although the name Martha came from the name of Paul’s sheepdog" "The first track of the second LP is a composition by Paul entitled "Martha My Dear". This is a Paul McCartney thirties-influenced song whose heroine took her name from Paul's sheepdog." ""Martha My dear" was written by Paul McCartney "starring" her bitch Martha. This song was first released in the Beatles' "White Album"." "Paul McCartney conducting the Black Dyke Mills Band in 1968 with Martha his sheepdog (the Martha that inspired "Martha My Dear") at his side" "Although it is in fact true that Paul had an Old English Sheepdog called Martha at the time this song was written, the song is probably not about her.

At this time, Paul had split with Jane Asher, and Linda Eastman, who later was to become his wife, was his new girfriend. It's possible that this inspired Paul to write a love song."

No other examples of a mysterious "muse" named Martha; all are either stating that the dog was the inspiration, or was the titular inspiration for the song.

Let me know when you're convinced. Absent your cogent response, I will revert your edit again, and I will further remove content supported solely by citation of a citation.

Good luck to you.

PS If you're not a fan and don't have in depth knowledge about it, why did you remove information from an article? Ron S 21:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Please listen. The way Wikipedia works is that people add information to articles. If the information is not backed up by references, it's fine to remove it. I don't need a reference to remove it, because you only need references for information. I removed the information because it's not common knowledge to normal, non-Beatles fans. Please add references in the article supporting the information if you want it in there, by all means. I'm not trying to be mean, it's just bad to have ANY non-referenced material in an article, especially if it's not self-evident. Voretus 21:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Please listen, IMO what you did was WORSE than leaving the information there. Perhaps it had been placed by an expert? I don't know, I didn't look, but perhaps you've removed other information placed into the tome by experts who didn't complete their insertion properly. Instead of just blindly removing information, why not attempt to ADD to the compendium by verifying the information youself?

I still don't understand why you made the change to that page if you're not a Beatles fan -- why wouldn't you ask about it on the discussion page? Maybe I should go edit the article on Nuclear fusion even though I'm not an expert on nuclear fusion, and remove every single bit of information that is not backed by reference, even though it may have been added by nuclear physicists. In fact looking at it, the first two major section are completely unsupported. Let's go remove it all.

With all due respect, your approach SEEMS silly and destructive. Maybe I'm missing something.Ron S 21:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


I strongly object to the deletion of the Ayra article. I started not only that article, but also most of the articles related to Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu. I also started the whole Fire Emblem sector of Wikipedia, and you will have to respect that. I have found your reasons false. Ayra does have real world significance. Real world coverage of her is mostly in Japanese. Also, I have removed the Stats section of the article to reduce reasons for deletion. The introduction of the article is not intended to be game-guide content. Not many players skip over Ayra entirely. On a side note, I strongly want the said character to be playable in Super Smash Bros. Brawl despite controversy. Masahiro Sakurai is considering to have a few non-Lord characters (at least one) to be playable in the game and that may include Ayra. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 00:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

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Rogue Galaxy[edit]

Your note about WP:AGF in the edit summary is good, thanks for reminding me of it. I'm not aware of the E3 joke you (and the other editor) are referencing; presumably if I would have acted differently had I known. --GargoyleMT 21:24, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Giant enemy crab, attack its weak point for MASSIVE DAMAGE, etc. :p Voretus 18:32, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Oh, a google turns up reference to "massive damage." I guess it was from a PS3 demonstration, not necessarily specifically Rogue Galaxy related? The wording in the article seemed like an okay description of the protect status, or the enemies with multiple target points. I had no idea that it was a specific joke I was missing out on. --GargoyleMT 13:41, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


Hi! This is Icarus!, being non-Wiki (I'm not logged in...), saying thanx for the work on the Discordianism page! Keep it up! 17:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, thanks. I'll try, even though I don't edit much these days. Voretus 06:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)




Moogy (talk) 13:04, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Very friendly welcome template section[edit]

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Well, as you just did the same to me, I can now understand the feeling. Sorry for the misunderstanding. The truth is, I just got so used to using templates, because I did not want to break the civility policy.— dαlus Contribs /Improve 06:24, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
It's fine. Templates just make me feel like everyone's a robot that's out to get me. Hah. Voretus (talk) 06:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Heh.. I haven't had a good week, at least you slept well.. my sleep has been really off.. I don't think it helped either that I was still asleep in my loft bed when that earthquake hit.— dαlus Contribs /Improve 06:37, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I Heart Huckabees edit[edit]

I made that edit because I thought the actors should appear as they do in the credits. The way they were arranged before was, it appears, (mostly) in order of actor fame.

In my opinion, Jason Schwartzman should be first on the list, as he is by far the most prominent character. (talk) 07:44, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Mother 3[edit]

If you're interested in Mother 3, I request that you provide your assistance in the article. Thanks! - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 18:18, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

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