Talk:David Stern

Criticism

"Stern also received criticism in 2005 for negotiating a labour agreement that did not introduce any major change in the NBA system. The existing "soft" salary cap is considered ineffective in maintaining a competitive balance between teams and holding down the escalation of player salaries."

Is this really a widely held belief? Certainly salaries among superstars have declined since the Shaquille O'Neal-Juwan Howard-Kevin Garnett heydey(with Shaq and KG still drawing astronomical sums due to being grandfathered in). And competitive balance has never really been a strong suit of NBA basketball. Other then in the 1970s there have tended to be 1 or 2 dominant teams. Other then the Lakers in the mid 90s grabbing Shaq, I can't really think of a champion that really exploited a revenue advantage to win titles.

--- Is it really appropriate to have his religion in the opening phrase? It does not seem particularly relevant to his work or his fame.

It's very relevant. He's a thieving scumbag who has absolutely no history in the sport of Basketball except for a position of authority granted to him because he had the right 'connections' to other wealthy Jews.

I DO NOT AGREE. IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO DISCUSS HIS RELIGION IN HIS INTORDUCTION AS COMMISSIONER. I REMOVED THAT REFERENCE.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.213.118.14 (talk • contribs)

Removed image tag until image is uploaded.

NBA Commissioner David Stern

I removed [[Image:David_Stern.jpg|frame|right|NBA Commissioner David Stern]] Until the image is uploaded. Once image is in place feel free to replace. -- SusanLarson ^{(User Talk, New talk, Contribs)} 13:52, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

no sense

Is "called out" by rap star Nas in the song "Hip Hop Is Dead" which was released in December 2006 ahead of its album by the same name makes no sense if anyone understands it please write the meaning below Mrsanitazier 9:08 AM Eastern Standard Time February 19,2006

Overly negative

This article is overly negative and looks strongly like it's written by some disgruntled fans. Quadzilla99 03:49, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Also the Kobe Bryant incident is dealt with in way too much detail. This shows a clear lack of historical perspective and illustrates my previous point. Quadzilla99 03:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, and what makes it worse is that the majority of the section is not sourced, violating WP:BLP. This really needs to be fixed immediately. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 05:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

This article is horrible it's written like an angry blog. David stern is one of the most notable league commisioners in recent american sports history. Yet his carrer acomplishments take up less than a third of the article. if a re-write is being done, i suggest this article be put under semi-protect since it's very prone to vandalism.Duhon 06:10, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and removed any criticism that was not cited, per WP:BLP. It can be readded in the future, if sources are included. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 19:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Just an update, all that I bothered to salvage was the controversy about the replacement ball. It is now fully cited and NPOV to the best of my ability. If there is anything I overlooked, feel free to improve upon it.--PS2pcGAMER (talk) 20:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Good work. Quadzilla99 01:15, 1 March 2007

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The criticism page seems to be written by a phoenix suns fan. Warrush 15:04, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Overly positive now?

It looks like the pendulum has swung the other way. The "NBA Commissioner" section reads like it was written by the NBA league office. And the only criticism of Stern's is about the microfiber ball? We need to find an appropriate balance here. Funnyhat 05:45, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead and include some negative criticism as long as its well sourced, also try not to violate the NPOV undue weight guidlines. In other words try to keep the size and amount of the ciriticism manageable. If you add too much I'm sure there are people here who will comment though, so feel free to add well sourced, relevant criticism. Quadzilla99 06:44, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, as long as it is sourced and neutral, so it doesn't violate WP:BLP, please feel free to make the article more balanced. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 06:48, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay I'm going to start cutting some of this and condensing it. It's getting near WP:UNDUE territory. The criticism section is dominating the article. See here specifically see here on WP:UNDUE:"Undue weight applies to more than just viewpoints. Just as giving undue weight to a viewpoint is not neutral, so is giving undue weight to other verifiable and sourced statements. An article should not give undue weight to any aspects of the subject, but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to its significance to the subject. Note that undue weight can be given in several ways, including, but not limited to, depth of detail, quantity of text, prominence of placement, and juxtaposition of statements." I think the we can state some of these criticisms in a brief concise manner also a new section for each controversy is probably not a good idea either. Quadzilla99 17:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

why is there a Stern rule disclaimer below the references? it doesn't relate to the section and it seems like a biased opinion towards the Phx-SA suspensions

True. I've removed it. Kuru ^talk 23:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Spelling Error

"In the 1997 NBA playoffs, the NBA suspended five players following a brawl between the New York Knicks and Miami Heat. Some of the suspensions were required by a league rule, implemented under Stern, that provides an automatic one-game suspension to any player who leaves his team's bench during a fight, such as the supsension in the 2007 Playoffs from the Suns-Spurs Game. Several players who had not gotten involved in the fight were also suspended, prompting complaints from officials on both teams."

Suspension is spelled wrong in the first paragraph of 'Criticism and Controversy.' It is spelled supsension.

You can make the change yourself! It is actually "suspension", although your's is probably a typo. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 06:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Since the page is temporarily semi-protected due to some 'seasonal' vandalism, I've made the change for you. Thanks for pointing it out. Kuru ^talk 12:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Whoops, I didn't realize that the page was semi-protected. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 01:12, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

intro

via a successful coup d'etat he wrestled control from the previous commissioner

what is this supposed to mean? if this is here, it needs details.

also, someone should mention the (not serious) conspiracy theory made popular by bill simmons about him supposedly fixing the 1985 draft lottery so that the knicks would end up with patrick ewing.