Talk:2007 Formula One World Championship

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Hakkinen

Is Hakkinen's testing deal with McLaren something that is going to last through the season, or is he just doing one or a small handful of tests during the off season? If he's only doing one or two tests in the off season, does he really need to be listed as a test driver for the team in the 2007 season? The359 18:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

From what I remember reading, I think he is only going to do some tests now, pre-season, not during the season. If that's true, I don't think he should be in the table, but it sure deserves mentioning in the article. After all, Hakkinen is a former World Champion who hasn't driven an F1 car for a few years...--Serte ^{[ Talk · Contrib ]} 19:28, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Toro Rosso

According to the FIA Entry List for 2007, Toro Rosso's drivers are not confirmed yet. Should Liuzzi and Speed be in the list here? PS:Sorry for my English.--Fryant 19:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

You're quite right. I've now removed them from the line-up. To other editors: Only re-insert when they've been officially confirmed, not before. Manipe 00:46, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Pre-season testing

Does anyone have a view on whether pre-season testing belongs in this article? Personally, I think one would not expect specific reports of any test session to be included, so I think this is a level of detail that one would not expect to see in a season article. It is news certainly, but probably not encyclopaedic, although it could perhaps have an article of its own (if it must). Also, this does not necessarily relate to 2007 either since many teams were only running interim cars and engines and therefore this is perhaps post-2006 season testing anyway. (Edit: I notice a 2007 testing article has been created since the above comment) Jsydave 22:24, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

To be quite honest, I don't think testing should be in this article, or on the wiki at all. Realistically, testing is what it says it is - testing. It's totally uncompetitive, and although might occasionally hint at a performance advantage for some teams, any experienced Formula One fan will know that times are totally usless without any knowledge on the teams' respective programmes that particular day. Also, while testing is almost fundamental to today's F1, it's not quite important enough to clog Wikipedia up with. We all know that testing counts for nothing, and including it will therefore be simply a waste of time of any editors who could be pouring their efforts into improving other articles. The 2007 F1 article is clogged enough without adding more useless info into it. As regards having another article with solely testing, well how many people would avail of its services? Casual fans wouldn't be interested, and fans deep enough into the sport to be looking for testing results would already know of many websites who cover testing in-depth. Manipe 20:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Manipe that testing is a tad irrelevant to Wikipedia. Only if something major occurs, or a date when a driver first tested for a new team, that stuff can be important, but that's about it. The359 21:26, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

So, are we deleting 2007 Formula One season Testing or what? The359 01:48, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

This has been nominated for deletion so if you have not done so already please express your thoughts on the relevant pages --Jsydave 16:39, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

European GP

On formula1.com the 22 July Nurburgring date is listed as the European GP, not the German GP (see here). This conflicts with the date listed as the German GP on the FIA release (see here). The Nurburgring website just lists it as "Formula 1." Any insight? Aldango 20:55, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

It's the German Grand Prix. The only reason the race at Nurburg was ever called the European Grand Prix was because, under current regulations, two races may not exist under the same country name. That's why the race at Imola was called the San Marino Grand Prix, despite it not actually being in San Marino. Manipe 23:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I know that. I understand *why* it should be listed as the German GP due to the logic. The problem is, Wikipedia and the official Formula One website differ in information. Aldango 20:40, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

It is the German Grand Prix - European is not longer valid. See the Formula One website [1]. This has also been comfirmed by the FIA: [2] (pdf format). --TheTallOne 17:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I guess they'll fix it at some time or another. Aldango 20:45, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Looks like this ended up being the European GP due to naming and licensing issues! Aldango 23:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Team/Driver list

Shouldn't the links in the 'constructor' column link to Renault F1 instead of Renault and Scuderia Ferrari instead of Ferrari, or at least a piped link? --TheTallOne 17:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, then we have to make a distinction between Renault (the F1 team & designer of F1 cars) and Renault (the mass-production car corporation). Which is the "constructor" per se? Or should they be considered the same thing (as they are now)? Aldango 03:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Fixed to go to the teams, not their parent corporations. That's the more useful link. 4u1e 00:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the engine supplier should be the proper car manufacturer.MotorSportMCMXC 16:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Tyre Supplier

Is this column of the table even remotely relevant anymore, as Bridgestone supplies all of the teams? Surely we only need a mention in the opening section of the article about the change, rather than this redundancy. mpbx 10:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, look back to all previous seasons where there was only one supplier, the tyre suppliers are still there. It is relevent for historical purposes. (Davesmith33 17:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC))

Grand Prix Manufacturers' Association

It should be mentioned that Renault recently left the GPMA. http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns18043.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Z Vengeance (talk • contribs) 02:59, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

Champion

What du you think who will be the champion? --217.224.125.203 16:39, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

That's not really a topic deserving of being here... The359 17:10, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Minardi. LOL. --Howard the Duck 11:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Tyres

Will it be shown on TV broadcasts considering there'll only be 1 manufacturer? If they don't show then should we omit it on the tables? --Howard the Duck 11:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

It never has been in the past when there has only been one manufacturer, but on the other hand I believe it should stay on Wikipedia just because all the other years where there has only been one supplier it shows who is the sole supplier. It's more for people looking back on the article in years to come. Davesmith33 17:33, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

We can indicate that there's only 1 manufacturer for this year, preferably before the table or using the table caption parameter. --Howard the Duck 11:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, in fact I think we've already had this discussion and the consensus was for it to remain, for the reason I mentioned above, i.e. it's a common part of each table for all years previous so in order to keep a standard format there's no obvious reason for it to be removed. Davesmith33 12:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

But it'll be redundant, IMHO. I'm waiting for the TV coverage, if it shows the tyres along with the name, lap time and flag, then I think it'll remain; if it doesn't, I'll make a case on how it should be represented:

All drivers used B Bridgestone tyres.

Entrant	Constructor	Chassis	Engine	No	Drivers	No	Third driver	Test driver(s)
Mild Seven Renault F1 Team	Renault	R26	Renault RS26 2.4 V8	1	Fernando Alonso		n/a	Heikki Kovalainen José María López Nelson Piquet Jr
				2	Giancarlo Fisichella
Team McLaren Mercedes	McLaren	MP4-21	Mercedes FO 108S 2.4 V8	3	Kimi Räikkönen		n/a	Pedro de la Rosa Gary Paffett Lewis Hamilton

--Howard the Duck 06:10, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but that looks ridiculous. It would require changing every season page going back to the start of the world championship, where there was only one tyre manufacturer in order for there to a uniform look. If you do it on the 2007 season, you'll have to do it on all the others. Davesmith33 11:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

You can't be consistent with all seasons since some parameters would be redundant and/or different-you might as well add a "PSO" row at the FA Cup Finals; also this might prevent the appearance of the dreaded error page. ----Howard the Duck 16:28, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I suggest it's thrown to the F1 portal for further discussion, seeing as it's something that effects not just the 2007 season, but every year. Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Formula_One#Tyre_icons_when_there_is_only_one_manufacturer Davesmith33 17:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Spyker

where does it say about the spyker drivers swapping with Sutil in the 20 car and Albers in the 21 car.MotorSportMCMXC 21:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

http://www.formula1.com/race/result/770/23.html Formula1.com has Sutil as #20, Albers as #21. I have no clue why Spyker have it flipped around. The359 01:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

More proof. Albers helmet with #21 on the nose. The359 01:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Roll Bars

The article used to say that the first car was going to run yellow and the second a red one. This just got changed. Theres no source cited for this, does anyone know which one it is? SlakaJ 21:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Red for car #1, yellow for car #2. Aldango 14:19, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Driver refs

Perhaps this is just me being picky (again) but for the table with the team's full name, chassis, drivers, test drivers, etc. Should we really have the reference for the driver next to their name? I can understand them being there during pre-season, to prove that they are going to be there, but do we really need them now seeing as all the seats have been confirmed? Can't we just uysed a single source to decrease the article size? (in terms of size in bytes)--Phill ^{talk Edits} 10:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I think we should leave them. It wont do any harm and wont the old versions be kept anyway. I actually read these articles prior to watching F1 and I didn't know who the drivers were. SlakaJ 18:43, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I think Phill's right - surely there's a single source (www.formula1.com or www.fia.com) that could be used? 4u1e 07:15, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

And I'll agree to that too. The official website should be given one footnote. This page is huge already without retaining needless refs. Pyrope 09:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Belgium: La Source changed?

As far as I know, the La Source hairpin hasn't actually been modified, only the bus-stop chicane. if anyone can find a source stating that the actual hairpin has been modified, it would be greatly appreciated. Manipe 19:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

It's already sourced from ITV-F1. http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=38756 Davesmith33 11:40, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

But that source only says that the bus stop chicane has been modified, not that La Source has changed. 4u1e 07:14, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Article changed to match the source used. Cheers. 4u1e 07:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Winning Constructor

"Winning Constructor" does not refer to the constructor who walks away from the race with the most points. It refers to the team the winner of the race drove for. Precedent for this can be seen on the [Formula One Season] page, specifically the China race. Renault left with 14 points. Ferrari finished with just 10. However, Ferrari is still listed as the winning constructor because a Ferrari won the race, not a Renault. The same applies here. E946 05:14, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Retcon

Since the season has already started, I think some major re-working should be done to this page, particular the rumours and speculation sections. I also propose that a season summary, perhaps referred to as an on-going summary, should be featured after the pre-season testing section, which itself needs extra information added for the 2007 pre-season testing. Ian X490 01:56, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

DHL Fastest Lap Trophy

I just came across this in the official F1 website. It says its a new award for 2007 and the award will go to the driver who sets the most fastest laps over the course of the season. There is also a website about it DHL-Fastest-lap.com. Is this something worth mentioning in the article? Chris Ssk 18:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Constructor Statistics

In the table the field Starts should be 6 instead of 3, because each team has 2 cars and that means 6 starts, 2 for each race? Can I change it? 15.235.153.101

No. If a constructor starts a car, it's 1 start, no matter how many cars they run It is theoretically possible to run 1 car. The359 21:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

excellent updates

Whoever has been updating this page, Thank You!

Driver chart photos?

I really have to question if the photos of the cars is really necessary on the drivers chart. The chart is already cramped as it is, and will become even more cramped when we have driver changes for various reasons as the season progresses. If people want pictures of the cars they could easily get them from the individual car's page. The359 19:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I'd be happy to see them go. DH85868993 02:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Points

Hi, how many points for 1st, for 2nd, for 3rd etc etc. It is not in the article. - Culnacréann 16:55, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

The immediate answer to your question is 10 points for 1st, 8 for 2nd, 6 for 3rd, 5 for 4th and so on down to 1 point for 8th place. But you raise a good point (no pun intended) about it not being included in the article. I'll raise the issue on the WikiProject Formula One discussion page. Thanks. DH85868993 03:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Bruno Senna- STR rumours.

Rather similar to the Bourdais stuff, but there was a rumour regarding Bruno Senna being given a run-out in an STR.. See AutoSport May 17, page 13. This went along with the rumour that Toro Rosso was for sale. Maybe this is a bit trivial and unimportant though.. (I'm not going to add it, cos I don't know if it should be added.. Opinions please) ALCUS36 20:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC) 20:35, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Race Winnings

I am kind of new to Formula 1, but do drivers get race winnings like in NASCAR or IndyCar? or are they just paid their salary after each race and that's it? I don't see this in any of your Formula 1 articles and as a new fan was just wondering.-Melo1522

I've no idea but it's a great point. I think teams get prize money according to race position and/or final championship points. Either drivers too got such prize money allocation or it's up to their contracts to stipulate if the teams get bonuses if they win etc. There should be section in Formula One detailing such things. Mark83 21:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I believe the constructors are paid, and then the constructors pay the drivers as they see fit. For example, I've heard tell that although McLaren only pays its drivers a base salary of $100,000 a year, they also earn $100,000 for each championship point. I have only heard this, though. --Golbez 21:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I think the problem here is the Concorde Agreement (which at least specifies how F1 commercial revenues are split and possibly how points prizes are awarded) is secret. And it's no suprise that however secret or not the Concorde Agreement is, the team/driver contracts are even more hidden from the public eye. Sure salaries are widely known either by admission or intelligent estimate be people/media organisations in the know, but the minutatie of 'pay by point' or whatever else are only known by the driver, the senior people in the team and their lawyers -- Not much interest among those parties in leaking such details. Mark83 21:42, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow, that's interesting! I guess if it's so secret then it probably doesn't need to be added to any of the articles. I have one last question about race winnings, and then we can probably close this discussion. does the FIA post race winnings for the public to view? Or is that also something the FIA keeps secret?-Melo1522

New Table

I like the new table of qualifing what do you all think.-MotorSportMCMXC

Apart from the fact that it's wrong; hardly any of the Car No's match up to the name of the driver. chem_tom 20:45, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, fixed the table. I also want to include two tables that show the average positions of drivers in qualifying and races. The qualifying table (based on average position, not average time) should be pretty interesting. I'm not sure about the average race position though. I'm expecting it to be slightly different than the standings, but then DNFs and DQs might make it totally meaningless.--Ademkader 02:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't bother with average race position; as you have identified, DNFs and DQs make it meaningless. If you want to include average qualifying position, I'd recommend just adding another column to the existing table, rather than adding another table. DH85868993 03:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Does this table really add anything to the article? I mean qualifying position doesn't really effect points and the only position everyone cares about is pole, which is already established through the calender table and the enbolded position in the results table. --Phill ^{talk Edits} _{Review this GA review!} 10:34, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Honda running the RA106 again?

SpeedTV's commentators made mention today that Honda has apparently decided to abandon the Honda RA107 for the rest of the season, and that during this weekend's British Grand Prix they're now running "last year's car". Considering how arbitrarily the definition of what each car is, should the Honda RA106 be added to the chart? I can certainly confirm that the car is at least running some of the RA107's aerodynamics, but I'd like to hear what others think of it all.

(Also, this happens to put another twist in the debate of whether or not Aguri is using an illegal car, especially if Aguri and Honda are now using the same car...) The359 18:08, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

We'll need a better source than Speed's commentators I think; considering the amount of press that follows F1 around, if this is indeed true there should be no trouble in finding a print/web source. And if it is true, mention both cars, yeah. As for Honda, I think Speed put it perfectly: "Ten million dollars of research and they managed to make a car three seconds slower than last year's." "It would have been cheaper to just load 20 pounds of weight onto last year's car. They should bring it back." "They can't, they gave it to the Aguri boys." I loved Super Best Friends before this year, and Taku's pass of Alonso in Canada was the moment of the season. I hope nothing bad happens to them. :| --Golbez 00:16, 8 July 2007 (UTC)