Talk:Dimmu Borgir

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Website

Am I the only one that can't get Dimmu's official website to open. Everywhere I try it (home, local library, etc.) it says <Problem loading page> and all that "can't find the server" shit. Anyways, is the site still at the same location or did something happen after Stormblast 2005 came out? Here's what I've always known it: http://www.dimmu-borgir.com/.--R-Tiztik 01:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I just tried it, and it worked fine for me. Last posted update was dated December 9th. Don't know why you're having problems. 64.91.86.214 02:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)SeraphicMaster@gmail.com

Comments and Misc Discussion

Is it just me, or was Galder not in the new music video? I think Shagrath was doing the lead guitar.

If the MV you just watched is "Sorgens Kammer - Del II" so you are right.. Galder and ICS Vortex is not in this video because "Stormblåst" is a kind of Special album that remake the classic 1996 Stormblåst album. Shagrath and Silenoz are the remaining members from that album. Shagrath was played as lead guitarist at the time,so they decided to make the new album in the old way. Kn hunter 16:31, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I thought that was pretty damn cool. Not only did they remake the old music, but they remade it in the old form, too. Shagrath is an amazing guitarist, too, and doesn't seem to have any distraction from his vocals while playing. I wonder why he only does vocals... Mister Deranged 04:04, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

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Dimmu's lyrics aren't comercial?! Do you have any idea how many 13 year old goth kids eat this stuff up? ______________

DIMMU IS NOT A MAINSTREAM BAND!! ALL THE KIDS NOW ARE EITHER INTO STUPID RAP OR EMO! barely anyone outside of my metalhead group listens to them. where the hell are you idiots coming from

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Whiners. Seriously. I can understand how Dimmu Borgir could be seen as "commercial" in comparison to "real black metal," which has extremely low production costs and poor recording quality (which is, for some reason, revered by "true black metal fans" as being "more hardcore." But overall, Dimmu Borgir is hardly a commercial band in general. Like it says in the article, their lyrical content and extreme musical style prevent this. Do you ever heard Dimmu Borgir on the radio? No. Not even satellite radio. My bet would be they are not on the radio even in Norway. End of discussion. AshTM 20:06, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, they play on the radio quite often in Europe, notably in the eastern parts and in Scandinavia.: that's why the perception of Dimmu Borgir being sellouts is stronger in Europe than in North America. --Nargos 20:33, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

True, they are not that uncommon on radio here in Scandinavia. And Swedish radio has broadcasted entire livesets at least twice. And thats the nationwide non privatly owned radio. /Cygnus78 20:34, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

just in regards of discographies should the titles be italics? or should they only italicise in body of text.

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Dimmu is not commercial ppl jump all over them because they have sucess, sucess that is not deriven from over comercialism. Also they ARE black metal, the above also applies to Cradle Filth but their not AS good as Dimmu. And besides symphonic black metal has in itself broken away in part to become metal that at the same time creates dark atmosphere AND hold brutality,

-Jake

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Not Sure...

I'm not sure if they should or not, but judging by all of the other lists on the page, I think they are in italics to make them look stylish or different, or something along those lines.

Why is it that Sorgens Kammer is on the promo of Stormbåst then?

Right...

I fail to see how Dimmu Borgir's lyrics can be considered "commercial." I don't see how anti-religious, misanthropic, Satanic lyrics are exactly "mainstream." Maybe 13-year-olds would "eat them up" if we were living in some dark doomsday world, but I'm afraid that in reality, teenagers prefer rap and pop. Things that Dimmu Borgir are extremely far from.

And generally the goth kids that are out there prefer mallcore bands such as Slipknot or Murderdolls (which actually do have very mainstream lyrics themselves).

Mistique

Don't say ALL teenagers prefer rap and pop, I'm 15 and I listen to metal (not slipknot and crap like that) 24/7. --CHEESEWHIZ 07:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Wrong.

If they've got corpsepaint on, than a variety of emo/goth/poser kids will be listening to them. Dimmu Borgir is no exception. And rap and pop are hardly popular. Speaking as a 15 year old, I'll have you know that Dimmu Borgir is very popular amongst the wannabe goth sadists at my school; much moreso than Green Day or 50 Cent.

unrealshadow13

Of course people like that will like them. But they won't be listening to them because of their actual messsage and music; they'll be listening to them because it makes them think, "This makes me so dark and 'gothic,' let me wallow in my self-pity because I'm hardcore." They don't care about the music; they care about their image.

And "rap and pop are hardly popular"? Where do you live? Scandinavia? Because speaking as a 14-year-old, rap and pop are extremely popular at my high school, and no one has even heard of Dimmu Borgir.

Mallgoths don't listen to them because they understand their message and appreciate their music. They listen to them because they think it'll make them look "dark" and "hardcore."

Dimmu Borgir don't commercialize themselves up so they'll appeal to others; people discover them themselves. Now, as far as what "mallgoths" like goes, bands like Slipknot are an entirely different story. Lenne 22:45, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

This whole pathetic debate reminds me of a certain song by Tool... I suggest you all take Mr. Keenan's advice. Hiddekel 20:05, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

yeah rap and green day are the popular thing dimmu borgir is actually unpopular. exspecially among purists. and to the guy that said mallgoth listen to dimmu, sorry SON but mall goths listen to green day, korn, and my chemical romance. if you're gonna use the term mallgoth, use it in the correct context. geez.66.114.26.15 21:37, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Why care.

If emo/goth wannabe metalheads whatever listen to it, they wont get a grasp of the lyrical and musical depth. That they became sort of commercial is also caused by the extreme marketing of their label. Remember: you aint a fan of a band if you only know their latest shit. You also aint a real fan of a band if you think the music is "cool" but don´t know at all what the shit is about.

I agreed with you up until this part.

"Remember: you aint a fan of a band if you only know their latest shit."

Anyone can be a fan of a band if they like some of the band's music. It doesn't matter if it's their recent music, or their early music. Lenne 16:29, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. I used to be into Slipknot back around the release of Iowa, but when Vol. 3 came out, I bought it, listened to it for 20 minutes, then cracked it in half. Dimmu's sound has changed a lot since Mustis came in, but their old and new are both amazing. Mister Deranged 04:06, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

emo kids wouldn't listen to dimmu. they'd listen to the used. thats why they're EMO. DUH!

Translation

Both the norwegian and the swedish wikipedia say that the icelandic meaning of "Dimmu Borgir" means "Foggy castle" and not "Dark Castle". And indeed in Swedish Dimma means Fog which is very close to Dimmu. But as I don't know icelandic I thought I should comment it here first. Anyone disagree that Foggy Castle is a better translation ? Cygnus78 22:33, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Then apparently, the Norwegian and Swedish wikipedias are wrong. I'm Icelandic, and the adjective "dimmur" specifically means "dark". Dimmuborgir, the place near Mývatn, is called "dimmu-" because it's made of dark eery looking lava. The adj. "dimmur" can possibly refer to evil, but definately not foggy. Fog in Icelandic, is "þoka". And if a fog is dark, we call it "svartaþoka", litterally meaning "black fog", not dark fog. I therefore see no reason to translate dimmu as foggy. It makes little sense to me as an Icelander. Plus the fact I think the place they named their band after, is not a particularly foggy place anyway. The word borgir, (usually plural of the word "borg", meaning "city"), in this case means, something like, castles, loads of houses, or things similar to houses. It's a very tough word to properly translate.--Nátthrafn 16:52, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

From Dimmu Borgir's official Web site:

Pronounced "dim-moo bore-gear", the Dimmuborgir is a large area of unusually shaped lava fields east of Lake Mývatn, on Iceland. The Dimmuborgir area is composed of various caves and rock formations. It would seem that this has been formed from a lava-lake, out of which molten lava flowed and left behind strange formations. The most famous cave being Kirkjan - the Church - high with a large gothic style vault. Dimmu=foggy/dark, Borgir=castle/fortress.

One of the problems with translation is that meanings aren't exact, and words can have more than one meaning. So, technically, while you are correct, I believe the acceptable translation would be "Dark Castle". Cparker 01:16, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Alright, dark castle is good, although translating the word will never bring out the feeling one gets of hearing the original Icelandic name. Two things. One, the band spells the name wrong, but alright, it's actually also correct grammatically. But if they named it after the place, then the name is wrongly spelled. Anyway, two, that from their official website is...bleh. The pronounciation is horribly wrong, at least if this is made according to English pronounciation of how they spelled it, and, dimmu means dark, not foggy (I'm referring to the website, not your comments). A fog can be dark, but dark never means foggy. --Nátthrafn 20:35, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I do disagree

I am Icelandic and live in iceland and Dimmu means indeed dark. "Borgir" current meaning is cities but I think older meanings of the word do include citadels or castle, I will try to find this out. Other forms of Dimmu, is Dimma=Darkness, "Það er dimmt úti"= It is dark outside. Daily use of borg would be like "I live in a city called Reykjavík" = "Ég bý í borg sem heitir Reykjavík" I would also like to point out that "dim-moo bore-gear" isn't excacly the right pronounciation its more like dim-mu(u pronounced like in uncle) bor-gear, is well close enough for normal english spelling.

Excellent! I'm glad we have someone Icelandic who's able to contribute to the page. However, I don't understand what it is you're disagreeing with. Are you disagreeing with my comment? If so, I only copied/pasted that text from the Dimmu Borgir Web site, so you can certainly let them know that they should update their site. :-P Cparker 18:19, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

"Anyone disagree that Foggy Castle is a better translation ? Cygnus78 22:33, 23 November 2005 (UTC)" I was disagreeing to this. I should probably let them know, although "dim-moo bore-gear" sounds excacly like a foreigner would try to see this, which I find kinda funny :)

Ok then it's settled. Not foggy but dark, with the nice sideeffect that it also sounds cooler :) I should probably correct this on the Norwegian and Swedish wikipedia. Cygnus78 23:48, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Another Icelander speaking here, i can confirm that Dimmu Borgir accualy means "Dark Citys" not "Dark Fortresses/Castles" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bjossas (talk • contribs).

Barker

On Dimmu's official website, they say Nicholas Barker left the band of his own will as he was still living in England and the travel costs were too high. They report it as being amicable. I may have misread it though, so correct me if I'm wrong.

Barker/leaving and other stuff

I agree, Barker left the band because he said he wasnt norwegian like the rest of the guys. Thats what i heard and i think the band were disappointed he left cos they liked him and i liked him too, a great drummer.

Also, i am the only kid at my school who listens to DB's music rather than marilyn manson which i cant stand. The music it self is hard to understand and much more harder to buy where i am. No, DB isnt commercial, otherwise they could make the second rate crap that comes around and goes around.

(hopefully i did this right)

The formatting was right, but there's a lot of rumors going around about Barker leaving the band. After the recording of Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia (circa 2001) and Death Cult Armageddon (circa 2003), Barker had been taking plane rides from Great Britain for over two years, which not only amounts of a massive assload of money, but he was always losing time with is family. That's just one rumor I heard flying around, I have no way to cite it, but it seems pretty logical. Mister Deranged 04:13, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Wrong...

I think that all this issue is sick. These ppl promote hate and evel. isnt that obvious from their lyrics. I cant even belive that such messages can be legal. Some say they re againt religion. Its wrong. They do have relgion and do persue it activly, their belief is turned to dark side. Read this lyrics...

Satan My Master

Satan My Master I slit my wrists to drain me of my blood Satan My Master "Up side down I turn the cross of God"

Satan My Master Recieve this sacrifice this blood of mine Satan My Master I cut into my rotten flesh your signs

Satan My Master Remember me when judgement day is near Satan My Master Take my hand when Armageddon is here

um... thats a song they covered. the original artist was Bathory.

It's called freedom of speech, just because you disagree with what they're saying doesn't mean they can't say it.

Really, if you don't like it why are you acknowledging it? if you truly feel this is "evil" (after considering what does make something evil) then think is screaming "this is evil!" really the way to promote awareness. Not really, when I was a kid I'd buy a CD just because a band had controversy surrounding it.

Yes. Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion both apply here (though the laws may be different in Norway). The worshiping of Satan (Mephistopheles, The Dark Angel, whatever you want to call Him) is a perfectly legal thing, though viewed as disgusting or impure. Dimmu Borgir's lyrics aren't going to change based on complaints. Satanists have as much of a right to spread Satanism as Christians have the right to spread Christianity. Mister Deranged 04:11, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Hehe, it's kinda funny cuz Dimmu Borgir didn't even write that song. Quorthon from Bathory did. So I know what people will say next, "Well they still performed it", but it still goes under that whole freedom of speech/religion thing though. Besides, Stian Thoreson is the only legitimate satanist in the Death Cult Armageddon line-up (the line-up that recorded this track, for those who don't know Dimmu Borgir and are simply reading this topic because they too are disgusted by the band's lyrics. Stian might even possibly be the only actual satanist in the band in the current line-up as well (not 100% sure tho, as I'm not too sure about Hellhammer).--R-Tiztik 00:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Rumours

So someone just made this section and I'm having a difficult time seeing the relevence. Though I don't tend to keep up on rumors, neither of these are exactly noteworthy. If there is some serious doubt about a singer on an album, it should be on the album. The "rumor" about wanting everyone to hear their music isn't exactly special. If they meant that they aren't biased against christianity, that'd be another thing and should be in the main article, with a citation, of course. marnues 02:40, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

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Satanism in itself is mostly symbolic. Most forms of Satanism use Satan as a symbol not as a literal astral being. Most Satanists are agnostic or atheist.

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Read this interview, and maybe you'll see for yourself. http://www.metalupdate.com/interviewdim.html Bopash4 16:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Hellhammer

Everything I see about Hellhammer and Dimmu Borgir is that he was purely a session drummer for the new Stormblast and nothing else. I have tried to find something about this on their official site, but all I can see is that they said they would only use session drummers after Nick left. Though I doubt this is an absolute, I can't find anything to say that Hellhammer is actually in the band. I'll remove him from the list and make sure he is mentioned as a session drummer. marnues 02:59, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

UPDATE I believe Hellhammer is now the permanent drummer.

Dimmu Borgir is an awesome band, if you look past the fact that they worship satan. I love their music but that doesnt mean that i worship satan. I think if u really listen to the lyrics in their songs you will hear that they sing about how mankind is the problem with the world and that we are destroying every good thing that is left on this earth.

Members

For those who doubted about current members of Dimmu Borgir,follow this link http://www.dimmu-borgir.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16791

And this link tell the year that new members become part of the band. http://www.dimmu-borgir.com/ on "BIO" section Kn hunter 08:12, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Pronounciation - Name

Maybe someone who speaks Icelandic or Norwegian or someone with a large knowledge of this band could upload an OGG-Vorbis of the name Dimmu Borgir or refer to a website where this is pronounced.

• there's a file in the page, but I can't play it:S I know it reads "dim-moo bore-gear" but how do you spll the G? like in "Gina" or like in "give"? TY

It's like the "g" in "gear". -Iopq 07:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I would say "g" like in "give" in Norwegian, although I have no clue about how it sounds in Icelandic. /Cygnus78 18:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Just a reminder, we still need someone (who speaks Icelandic) to create a OGG of their name.

Sorgens Kammer

Is it a cover or a ripoff? I mean, when you "cover" a song you supposedly know it is not yours. I'm not attacking Dimmu Borgir, not at all, but you gotta be a litte bit technical about it; if Aarstad used the melody without giving the composer proper credit and the rest of the band thought he had written it, it is not a cover -- or it would star in the 2005 album.

Mainstream or not

I would like to state that Dimmu Borgir is to say the least semi-mainstream band :) for example the significant part of population listening to Dimmu Borgir in consisted of 14 year old goth girlies who think they're bad and evil... as opposed to Burzum, Darkthrone etc. listeners, who are more serious in a way. Make no mistake, I personaly like Dimmu Borgir music but it doesn't reek enough evil and pain to be considered "true" instead it has "Buy our album we pray to Satan" written all over it. Cheers

Sales figures

Would be nice to have some, I heard that Dimmu Borgir sold really well, but I don't have any solid numbers. -Iopq 14:10, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Dimmuborgir.ogg >> PRONOUNCIATION FILE DOES NOT WORK

Users: quit reverting until someone reuploads the file, it does not work. --Dexter prog 23:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Genre

New Dimmu Borgir is clearly not black metal. No, not even "symphonic" black metal. They may still use the vocals and corpsepaint which are generally known to come with black metal, but they have not been black metal since the mid-late 90s. STOP labeling them any sort of black metal. They are a heavy metal band with black metal influences. Anyone who is going to cry and whinge, arguing that they are black metal, does not know much about black metal. I am about to change it so it says their recent material is heavy metal. Now, for all the people who are going to argue me: don't just change it back to black metal. Just because the band, magazines, and any other idiots who you will meet in real life or on the internet say so, DOES NOT MAKE IT SO. - Isilioth

And just because YOU say they aren't black metal, DOES NOT MAKE IT SO. Your definition of black metal is way too narrow, my friend - the genre is flourishing and diversifying all the time, just as heavy metal has done since its inception. So they have evolved ... so what? Don't be in such a hurry to stifle the growth of the genre! DB are still black metal by any definition that really matters.

You fail to realise black metal is dead. New Dimmu Borgir does not live up to what black metal was about. They dont even 'sound' black metal. I am not trying to be 'kvlt' or anything, i openly admit i enjoy Stormblast, its a good album. You fail to realise how black metal differed from normal heavy metal. Dimmu Borgir is now just heavy metal with black metal-ish vocals. You may say something idiotic like 'they dont sound anything like heavy metal bands like Pantera' or whatever, of course they dont. Theyre not innovative. They are not making any 'development' of the black metal genre. They made a change from black metal to heavy metal. Simple as that. They ARE NOT black metal by any definition that really matters. You know nothing about what black metal was. You think you do. But you dont. Isilioth 14:06, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't say BM is dead per se, although it is declining. Gorgoroth are still making albums, and I'd say you can't get more BM then them. ≈ The Haunted Angel ^{//The Forest Whispers My Name//} 14:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Isilioth, I guess I can't continue to argue with you over the genre of current DB until I understand your definition of "black metal". Clearly it differs from mine, and I'd like to know what makes you the ultimate authority on the subject. You have an opinion and that's great, but it's disingenuous for you to attempt to force it on the rest of us when you're clearly in the minority. Last time I checked, DB are still considered black metal both here and at the Allmusic site.

Prague Philharmonic Orchestra?

Sections of the album were recorded with the Prague Philharmonic Orchestra to enhance the classical arrangements which have always augmented the band's style.

Apparently there's no article about any "Prague Philharmonic Orchestra"; there is, however, an article about Prague Philharmonia - could this be the same one? I find it implausible that the philharmonic orchestra of a big city like Prague would lack an article on the English Wikipedia. --x-Flare-x^{Talk) 21:36, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

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Critical reviews

Leave the ANUS reviews link as it is; the article needs an independant link for critical analysis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.152.117.26 (talk • contribs)

Links to websites like that are considered spam by wikipedia standards.Karpsmöm 03:42, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Websites "like that"? What does that mean? 81.153.54.245 13:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation

yea i see someone changed it to what you'll find in a dictionary, and honestly i dont think its going to help anyone with that, having "DEE-MOO BOR-GEAR" is much more helpful