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Name Taken From Creative???

There is a Creative MP3 Player called Zen Touch... Coincidence? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.186.241 (talk) 01:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

CONSPIRACY I tell ya!
Anyway, this discussion page is only for talking about the article, not the product. --DogGunn 08:09, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could you stop shooting down every new topic with that? What's relevant to the product is relevant to the article about the product. I'm sure the OP meant to imply that this is something that could be mentioned in the article, although personally i don't think it should be. I'm finding that wikipedia is not very welcoming to noobs, and tends to assume bad faith. Maybe this is what provokes much of the vandalism you whine about.--80.86.74.135 12:22, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

removal of criticisms

A user removed the criticisms section with the explaination "You've got to be kidding me"

A little more elaboration on this please? Maybe it is too early to have a criticism section? I think the thousands of people clamoring about the small storage space *is* noteworthy enough to warrant a criticism section, so please, discuss it with me before I add it back.Drewson99 21:14, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The criticism section was an unencyclopedic load of rubbish that violates the manual of style. It was one person's criticism (in other words, original research) written in a stupid tone. Stephen Shaw 16:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, so your objection is with the tone of the section, not the presence of a criticism section in general?64.37.159.196 16:46, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I object to both the tone and the source of that "criticism". One can't just go onto a page about a product and list ones criticisms of the product. Stephen Shaw 16:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

speed

O boy, you guys are crazy! The event isn't even done yet and there is already a 2-page article on the wikipedia! Incredible! :-) Peter S. 17:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

it's not that impressive; It's only from one source: apple.com. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.86.74.135 (talk) 20:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Title

I’ve requested a move to iPod touch as it seems Apple styles the device with a lowercase t, as is consistent with the rest of their product line. Max Naylor 18:10, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm... we should wait until they update the official apple website for that. 96.226.68.113 18:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


delete tag needs to be removed seeing as this is an actual apple product now. 82.27.107.85 18:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An amazing lack of original sources here folks. Xamphear 18:41, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Launch Date

The launch date has been listed on the Apple Store as the 28th of September; I submitted this but User:Max Naylor undid it. Anybody care to readd it or...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by PdDemeter (talk • contribs) 19:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I didn’t realise... I’ll put it back in. Max Naylor 19:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, I was just worried if there was a policy against listing it until it actually shipped:) --PdDemeter 19:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t think there is, but you’ll probably need to find a reference for this date. Max Naylor 19:13, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I thought that it was already out? You can buy it on their site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.12.72.83 (talk) 22:17, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The Apple Store says that it will ship BY September 28th. Apple may very well ship before this date, especially to very early order-placers. I don't think it's completely accurate to state 9/28 as the firm release date. -VJ 19:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Unsurprisingly, Engadget is reporting that they've already hit stores (http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/13/ipod-touch-showing-up-in-stores-gets-unboxed/). The launch date was not meant to be taken as firm. I don't know how it should be presented in the article, but September 28th is not an official launch date of any kind. Let's just say "September 5 (announced)" or "around September 13th"? -VJ 04:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
They have been shipped to at least some Apple Stores in the US, however they are not available anywhere else —Preceding unsigned comment added by Watters (talk • contribs) 05:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

iPod Touch vs. iPod touch

I think, for the sake of consistency with other iPod articles and official styling by Apple, we should stick to the iPod touch capitalisation, please stop reverting my edits, if you want capital T’s, I’ll happily discuss it with you here. Max Naylor 19:18, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm with you, Max.--Asderoff 23:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I want capital Ts. -Henry W. Schmitt 00:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
go to apple website, they have lower case t's--Olavid 04:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I like big T's and big A's. -Henry W. Schmitt 04:59, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ok , you like it big :) but see Steve, it is both [1] lowercase : —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.99.137.24 (talk) 05:05, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Criticisms

"The iPod touch has a disappointingly low amount of storage space" doesn't really sound like NPOV to me. Delete it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lodevermeiren (talk • contribs) 20:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC) I added "as compared to previous flagship models" hopefully that puts it more NPOV —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.201.176.194 (talk) 20:41, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

the word 'disappointingly' can never be npov, except in the context of any certain person or group of people that are disappointed.--80.86.74.135 20:57, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added the criticism of it being like the iphone. feel free to write that more elegantly. or delete. whatever--80.86.74.135 21:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is a bit of a cheap shot: "... however it lacks the storage capacity to store a significant number of videos alongside a music library." 16GB is a lot of space for movies, if you figure 700 MB per 2 hour movie, thats 20 feature length movies with some space to spare. I don't know about you all but as long as it can hold a few movies thats enough for me. --Ray andrew 22:31, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It might be a cheap shot, might need rewording or a separate criticism section but it is true when you consider it "alongside a music library". A lot of people will have a minimum 10-15GB of music on the larger model (esp with high bitrate/lossless formats which is very common) and that only leaves enough for 1 or 2 movies. 79.67.254.214 23:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What is WRONG with people?! This product isn't even out yet! It was just announced... TODAY! How does looking similar to an iPhone and 16 GB of storage count as criticism? And even if it does, it doesn't need it's own section. I'm going to distribute the retarded looking criticism amongst the rest of the article and delete the section to present a npov.--Asderoff 23:41, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's presented as if it's a new breakthrough product, but it's just a cheaper version of the iphone.--80.86.74.135 02:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

EDIT: It is not cheaper. It is the same price as the iPhone (or at least the high end one is) -66.245.153.53 01:25, 7 September 2007

Google Maps

So where is the google maps app that the iPhone has? Anyone got a clue why this is missing. --Ray andrew 00:24, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty sure it pulled the maps down over Wi-Fi if its available. --Ray andrew 03:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There is no google maps app because that app is reserved for the iPhone. Apple haven't included it to differentiate between the iPod touch and the iPhone. Notice how there isn't a camera or an email app. The iPod touch is really just a stripped down iPhone. Finally, this page is for discussing the article not the product Stephen Shaw 16:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Features Left Out

I wonder why the Notes function was left out of iPod touch. Delta40[talk] 02:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is, picture are shown on Engadget. On that note, Google Maps is missing too... I hope they eventually include Skype on iPod touch or the iPhone, and maybe a pdf reader and bluetooth so you can transfer files. Then it'll be a even better device. Delta40[talk] 03:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, you cannot add Skype to the touch because ther is no microphone - 66.245.153.53 01:27, 7 September 2007

it could be added as an accessory maybe..--80.86.74.135 14:37, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This page is for discussion of the article "iPod touch". It is not for discussing the product or its missing features. Stephen Shaw 16:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate Page

There was already a page created for this but it was called Wifi iPod. Can we merge the pages 80.229.169.189 08:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well thats not exactly fair, the stuff in that article was relevent 80.229.169.189 11:55, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

similar products

is it worth mentioning similar products. for example the N800 internet tablet. --87.127.117.246 08:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please stop adding it? Since the article was created you have added the website many times. Currently there is no content on the site, and it is filled with ads. Until there is some content, I recommend that you stop posting it. --DogGunn 00:25, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

sooooo

So its an iPhone... without the phone? 70.113.85.225 00:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Same technology, so I guess it is. --DogGunn 01:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This page is for discussion of the article "iPod touch". It is not for discussing the product. Stephen Shaw 16:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Features the iPhone DOESN"T Have

Anyone notice from the video that there are some features the iPhone does not have? Like double-clicking the home button to bring up the iPod controls when locked? gujamin 18:43, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

that's not wikipedia worthy information imo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.86.74.135 (talk) 23:02, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And it does not have anything to do with the iPod touch. This discussion page is for the iPod touch and not the iPhone. --DogGunn 06:17, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This page is for discussing the ARTICLE iPod touch. NOT the products iPod touch or iPhone (Read the heading of the page!). Stephen Shaw 17:42, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't have a blu-ray reader, I was hoping they would introduce that... Stephen Shaw, relax, there's no need to go around policing the talk pages, go write an article or something instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.86.74.135 (talk) 01:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pricing and Package contents

These fiddling details are bordering on promotional material.
—überRegenbogen 21:35, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I do not see one Buy Now link, so I don't believe it is at all promotional, rather factual. --DogGunn 02:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The lengthy section on pricing makes wikipedia read like a sales catalogue. --Oscarthecat 06:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Further, the guidelines at WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_directory make it quite clear : therefore prices of a product should not be quoted in an article unless the price can be sourced and there is a justified reason for its mention. Examples of justified reasons include notable sales of rare collectors items, prices relating to discussion of a price war, and historical discussion of economic inflation. On the other hand, street prices are trivia that can vary widely from place to place and over time. Therefore, lists of products currently on sale should not quote street prices. In addition, Wikipedia is not a price guide to be used to compare the prices of competing products, or the prices of a single product across different countries or regions. I've now revised the article. --Oscarthecat 06:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Picture

Why does the picture on th article keep changing and disappearing? can't we just get one picture and keep it?86.129.233.57 16:54, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The reason the picture keeps on disapearing is because of licensing issues. All of the pictures that have been put up, have been taken by websites, and not by someone who owns the picture. --03:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by DogGunn (talk • contribs) - Update: Dang, could've sworn I signed it. Thanks Sinebot --DogGunn 06:04, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Photo

While we can't use Apple's publicity shots for the article picture we could use a Creative Commons one. Do a search on flickr and people have CC photos they took at the event of the display versions of iPod touch. Would it be ok to upload one of these seeing as they are creative commons or would the original photographer still have to be the one to upload?

Here are good ones that could be used:

http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1333413585&size=l
http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1332398406&size=o

NeoRicen 15:07, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion for photo

I uploaded a photo under Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike License version 2.0: Image:Ipod_touch_on_table.jpg The source is there and the flickr member took the photo and had some rights reserved. If someone would put in the photo. Ipodtoucher 07:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Something I found on Engadget

Has anyone else seen this article on Engadget? I think we should integrate some of this information into the Wiki article. Bolmedias 11:15, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's not worthy. The device was dissected and there was no Bluetooth antenna, and there was no chip. However, feel free to write up on iPod touch's without the OSX loaded. --DogGunn 11:48, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Release date

Is the iPod touch relase date on September 13, or 28? 71.106.1.211 04:47, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

28th, some stores have been selling it since the 13th, but it's not the official date. --DogGunn 05:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
But, that is ships by, so it could potentially be earlier than that Watters 05:37, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No, that's not correct. The actual... official... listed... release date is the 28th September 2007. Shops have had leaks, and for some reason have started to sell them in the US. --DogGunn 05:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

oh give it up man, its been released, change the release date to the date of release. thank you205.132.174.254 06:02, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But it hasn't officially been released. Wikipedia is not about sharing opinions, it's about giving factual information. So, we use the official date. --DogGunn 06:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It is a fact that it has been released before the official date, not an opinion. It is false to say that it hasn't been released because the official release date has not been yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.86.74.135 (talk) 16:04, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added the 13th as an unofficial date in the release date... I agree that it has been released but not the street date apple wanted. Bliks 00:08, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I definately agree that it is an unofficial launce date but still needs to be mentioned because they are clearly being sold. However is it certain that it is only in USA, or are there other places? It should be more specific. 125.168.3.21 14:55, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ahh, yes, it is just the US. I wasnt sure how to add the flag. thank you Bliks 16:59, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Games?

Does the ipod touch play games? is it worth noting in the article whether it does/doesn't, what games it comes with etc?

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