Talk:Irish Mob

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Boondock Saints

A question about the list of movies that deal with Irish-American criminals - should "Boondock Saints" (1999) be on that list? It does not technically deal with Irish-American gangsters, but it does deal with Irish-American criminals and is in every way greener that the Emerald Isle. Just a thought. - Mario, 9 February 2006

I wouldn't think so, as both of the actual mafia groups in that movie are non-Irish; Russian and Italian, to be specific. -- nae'blis _(talk) 20:47, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

That's a good point. Should movies featuring only Irish organized crime be listed, instead of Irish-Americans involved against other organized crime organizations ? Also I believe the father was involved in organized crime as a hitman in Boondock Saints if I remember correctly. Should Death to Smoochy be included also ? MadMax 07:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Article name

Why is this under Irish mafia and not Irish mob, if that's what they're most commonly called? -- nae'blis _(talk) 20:47, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be titled Irish mob. 69.218.181.192 03:59, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

• While I do think the "Irish Mafia" title seems to suggest an offshoot, if not a direct influence of the Italian Mafia, it also seems a bit redundant to name every ethnic criminal group with "Mafia" or even "Mob" as each respective organization operates completely differently. I would suggest Irish (or Irish-American) organized crime. MadMax 22:37, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Irish-American organized crime seemed clunky, but Google and other sources seemed to support "Irish Mob" (still with two capitals), so I made the move tonight, and fixed all redirects. -- nae'blis _(talk) 06:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I do agree to a certain extent, however would say Jewish-American or Russian-American criminal organizations also be called the Jewish or Russian Mob ? Also how would Irish (as opposed to Irish-American) organized crime be described ? It seems a bit "Americanized" if you will to refer to them as the Mob or Mafia. MadMax 07:03, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Mostly garbage

This article is loaded with misinformation and nonsense. I have a suspicion it was written by a Brit. No one in the U.S. who knows what they're talking about refers to the Irish mob as the "Irish mafia." And Edward O'Neill as a popular member of The Westies? Who the hell is Edward O'Neill?? Check out wikipedia's own fine entry on the Westies (or the 400-pg book by T.J. English) and you will see no mention of anyone named Edward O'Neill.

Also... the K&A crew from Philly is NOT an Irish organized crime group and never has been. There were a few K&A members with vague Irish American heritage, but this does not make them part of the Irish mob. In the definitive book about Irish American gangsters, "Paddy Whacked" by T.J. English, this "gang" isn't even mentioned.

Also... biker gangs have no business being included in an entry that is supposed to be about the Irish mob.

All in all, this entry is below wikipedia standards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angelgabriel (talk • contribs)

• The K&A gang was a major racketeering group involved in high-profile heists and drug smuggling operations and they were based in a traditionally Irish-American neighborhood. Why wouldn’t this qualify as part of the Irish Mob? And just because T.J. English doesn’t mention it in paddy Whacked doesn’t mean it wasn’t there. He also didn’t mention how Kevin Weeks took over the Winter Hill gang after Bulger, or how Bosco Radonjich took over the Westies after Coonan and Kelly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.199.20.130 (talk • contribs)

• It might also be worth mentioning that even the most recent books will be out of date as T.J. English's book, which I might add it an impressive read, does leave out certain information and only covers Irish organized crime up to the late 1990s. Of couse takig into content and time restrictions, this can't be helped however in my opinion Paddy Whacked shouldn't be taken as gospel either. By the way Gabiel, I agree with you on the naming convention (as seen in the above conversation) however it appears I'm the the minority. MadMax 21:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

There is some utter nonsense in here... If I knew more about the Irish mob I'd fix the article, but then that's why I wanted to read the darn thing in the first place.

Jewish-American organized crime and naming conventions concerning ethnic organized crime articles

There is currently a debate to discuss moving the article title of Jewish-American organized crime to American Jews in organized crime. The reasoning for this move is to provide what has been refered a less offensive and accusatory title which applies to Talk:African-American organized crime and Talk:Greek-American organized crime.

One point which was brought up was the absence from a seperate article to differenciate between Irish-American organized crime and internationally (as with Italian-American organized crime and the Mafia). I know this has been discussed before, however the issue to split Mafia between its U.S. and international equivalants should be considered. MadMax 07:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Irish mob organization

You're missing important information about the hierarchic organization of the Irish mob. I mean, what's the equivalent of a cappo di tutti cappi, a cappo or a consiglieri (if there is such in this case), or the roles of each member. So far the only title I know is "mob boss" and that htey all all called either gangster of mobster.