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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Julshakher (talk | contribs) at 23:46, 9 October 2007 (→Speedy deletion of Julie Orsini Shakher). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

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Dear Julshakher, regarding your contributionto Julie Orsini Shakher, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites, or from printed material, without the express permission of the author or copyright holder. This article or image appears to be a direct copy from this URL: http://www.orsinishakherarts.spotmysite.com/page/47662/. As a copyright violation, the article has been deleted under the speedy deletion criteria.

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Thank you, and please feel free to continue contributing to Wikipedia. Moonriddengirl 20:35, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your comment

Hi. I received your comment on my talk page. Your article was deleted because the text in the article was taken word for word out of two websites. Unless the steps above are carried out, Wikipedia can't accept articles that use text from other websites because of legal concerns.

If you meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, then Wikipedia would welcome a page on you. However, since autobiography is tricky, you might want to write the article and then post it in a sandbox and get feedback from other editors before posting it. (I'll tell you how to do that in a minute.) You'll not only want to meet notability guidelines, but will also need to meet verifiability requirements with reliable secondary sources and meet the neutrality requirements. If you feel you can do this for yourself, you can click on the red text here, User:Julshakher/sandbox, and it will create a user sandbox for you to work in. Once finished, you might ask for feedback at the Wikipedia:Help desk. If you don't feel you can write the article yourself, you may want to request it at Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Culture_and_fine_arts/Visual_arts#Artists.

If language is a concern, you might want to contact one of the editors listed at Wikipedia:Translators_available#Italian-to-English for assistance. I see that AnyFile, Bogdangiusca and Jim62sch are all currently active on Wikipedia and willing to insist in Italian-to-English translation. (You can contact any of them by clicking on their names.) Another alternative might be to request help from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Italy, although questions asked at project pages are not always swiftly answered.

If I can be of any further assistance to you, please feel free to let me know. --Moonriddengirl 21:48, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I wish I knew Italian. Or anything about art. :) Let me take a look at your references and see what I can do. --Moonriddengirl 23:42, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I'm sorry. I assumed from Italian origin that you meant immediate Italian origin. :) I guess the services of a translator are not needed. I'll open up your sandbox and assemble what I can find. --Moonriddengirl 23:45, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussing it further here instead of sandbox

The relevant guideline here is Wikipedia:Notability (people). The criteria for creative professionals:

  1. The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors.
  2. The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique.
  3. The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, which has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.
  4. The person's work either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries, museums or internationally significant libraries.

You seem very close to satisfying notability requirements, but I can't find sufficient verification to put you over. There seem to be two substantial independent periodical articles or reviews--"Artist's Work Illustrates Bleak Life" from the Miami Herald on November 14, 1999 and perhaps the untitled piece from October 24, 1999. That one is iffy, since it seems like it might just list the program. "Hollywood Art Exhibit Full of Winners" is not sufficient. I found the full article here, and it doesn't include substantial coverage. It's just a namecheck. The rest of the articles on the page link you gave me don't seem substantial enough to qualify.

I get 17 unique hits on your name in google. The Jurors Honorable Mention at this Junior College probably wouldn't qualify for 4(b). The piece in Art Kudos might come closer, since it's international, but it doesn't seem to have been a finalist.

Might some of your exhibitions satisfy 4b or do you satisfy 4d? If so, and you can produce verification of that, then you might be able to create an article at this time. Otherwise, you might want to win a major competition this year. :) It certainly looks to me like you ought to have a good shot at that—you seem very good to me—but unfortunately I look with the eyes of a lit major and will probably not be invited to judge. Good luck! --Moonriddengirl 00:23, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I saw at least part of your resume at your website. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about art exhibitions to know what qualifies as major on the list or if there is independent verification of that. What I've been able to find online hasn't been helpful. But now that I know that WikiProject Italy is not the place for you, I'll suggest that you might want to ask for further opinions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts. :) It seems to be an active page, and they will have much more idea about specific notability than I will. --Moonriddengirl 02:26, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent edits

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Regarding your note

Hi. I'm sorry that you're frustrated, but I'm not sure that I'm the person who can best help you at this point. I've put considerable time into looking at your sources & searching for verifiability. As I noted, I'm not familiar enough with the art world to know what qualifies as major or where to find independent verification of that. Again, you might find Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts helpful. You seem to feel that the George Sugarman Foundation Grant is notable, and perhaps it is. I see there is verification that you received it at the website. Those active in building articles on visual artists are far more likely to have a grasp of the finer points of the notability requirements than I am. But please do not continue pasting material from other websites into talk pages or articles. Wikipedia policy very explicitly requires that editors "[n]ever use materials that infringe the copyrights of others." As the policy explains, "This could create legal liabilities and seriously hurt the project." Although treated legally as a server, Wikipedia conforms to the same standards in this as print encyclopedias and is subject to the laws of the US regarding copyright. Copyrighted material must not be pasted into articles or talk spaces. Good luck, and I hope that the editors at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts can satisfy you in this regard. :) --Moonriddengirl 13:42, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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