Talk:Eureka Seven

http://eureka-m.net/?

In the original Japanese release of the series, following the end of the second OP (as far as I know), on several occasions the URL http://eureka-m.net/ appears; if viewed on a PC, the site then refers the browser to a PC-viewable page, which upon loose translation appears to mention that the website should only be viewed on a "i-mode/EZweb/Vodafone live!" ...mobile phone? That would explain the "m"... anyone know what this was/is? I have not seen the reference of it anywhere on the Wikipedia Eureka seveN page. 69.19.14.44 05:46, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Gekko pop culture reference

I just finished watching episode 35, and right at the beginning two military guards in a tower are investigating a trappar wave disturbance and they see the Gekko and LFOs approaching from the distance and one exclaims "Hey! Is that an SL1200 mark II?" just like the famous turntable. -SeaFox 08:58, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Which is why it's listed here. —TangentCube /c /t  18:38, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Manga

The main page states that there four volumes in the Eureka Seven manga series. However, it appears that there are five volumes in the series: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594097615/sr=8-13/qid=1154939668/ref=sr_1_13/002-1016888-0618409?ie=UTF8. Oddly, the official website for Eureka Seven (www.eureka-prj.net) does not list it. Is the Amazon.com listing enough support to make a change? - Flame0430 08:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I suppose so. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 00:24, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

as of this writing the manga has officially concluded in Japan - the last chapter, chapter 23, was published in the January 2007 issue of Shounen Ace and at the same time the tankoubon volume that contains the final chapters went on sale on December 22nd, 2006. EdmundWong 09:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

The Story's Era

Under General Trivia, it says-

In episode 34, Moondoggie's pilot's license states that his birth year is 1988. Moondoggie's age is officially listed as 16, which sets the year the series takes place at 2004.

What, this? 67.34.16.117 18:25, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Since humans had left the Earth for so long, and have seemed to recently come back, wouldn't they changed the Era? Ayokano 09:02, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I think at some point in the series it shows the year as 12004. Can't exactly remember where though. -- Tenks 05:27, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Episode 33's intro states that about 10,000 years ago a sport called surfing existed; a reference to our current time. The end of episode 50 shows the date directly when Grandpa Axel Thurston is looking at the family registration notice, where Eureka and the three kids have joined the Thurston family on 12006 April 2nd. So the series taking place in the year 12004 makes sense, not 2004.Vywix 01:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Problem with that theory (on a side note); "Summer 2005" != "Summer 12005" 69.19.14.26 09:51, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Is There a Second Season?

I was really interested in this show so I just needed to know if there was a second season.

Eureka Seven is 50 episodes that were shown nearly consistently every week in Japan for about one year. It's one "season," broken up by four "mini-seasons/chapters," each with different opening and ending scenes every 13 episodes. Kinda like Fullmetal Alchemist. BONES may or may not make a movie. If you've seen the ending, you'll understand why it could swing both ways. Project EUREKA is releasing manga and video games based in the Psalms of Planets universe, however. 134.48.131.97 01:38, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Over the past two days I have re-watched the Eureka seveN anime series from the first episode to the midpoint, episode 25. Personally, I think there is no real reason why there couldn't be a second season; upon further investigation of discussion points which I had forgotten between some members of the Gekko State, a few mentionings from the triumverate Council of the Elders, and some other points at which backstory was (probably) necessary but not interjected, I have reveresed my opinion of the series entirely, if only on one specific point; though it is usually not very obvious and does not "stick out" in the anime series viewers' minds, there are a number of things which are never explained, and numerous questions left unanswered, despite how excellently the ending leaves viewers. The show could definitely do with a movie, but anime movies, or OVAs, that do not occur between some episodes of the series commonly mark the end of anime series, do they not? Lets hope for a second season. We can only hope. We're very fortunate this isn't a very old anime series at all, having only officially ended airing earlier this year in Japan. Giving the thought of a second season a considerable amount of thought, I think that the world of Eureka seveN still has some "kick" left in, maybe a few more surprises up its sleeve, all new adventures, perhaps some backstory, etc. Still, like 134.48.131.97 put it, it could easily go both ways. But then that raises the question - what do we as viewers value more? Seeing the developing interactions between the characters that we have come to admire for 50 episodes and continuing that, or continuing stories from the world of Eureka seveN? The latter is obviously the easier path; its difficult for writers to "write themselves into a corner" with an entire world, you know? See the .hack// anime series to understand my point. </rant> 69.19.14.44 05:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Sure hope so. Although a weak starter (it's as if the show begins during a "filler") this show has moved to the top of my all-time favorites :) Yet to see another anime with this perfect a blend of action, humor, romance, urban "hip"ness and mysticism. This is bound to be a classic a few years on. 202.70.151.50 00:37, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I sort of agree... I think that BONES should do it based on something before The Summer Of Love... Like follow the first video games characters... That would give depth to the games characters and more than likely boost game sales in Japan and the US. I really Hope something else springs forth from the E7 universe... But not do anything like Inuyasha and make so many episodes leading up to the same events over and over again... New Characters, events and goals... Maybe a few cameos from the previous season main Characters...... Or at least a movie... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.166.239.135 (talk • contribs) 13:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

Hope Yet For a Second Season

A playful sketch of a scene from beyond the Eureka seveN episode 50 ending on the official website?

According to the information on this very site, that sketch was the final scene of the television broadcast of Episode 50. It's not included in most fansubs, so not many are aware of its existance. 68.0.99.130 07:33, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I doubt it... I mean the ending of the fourth arc was the best ending they could have done... Granted it did sway from the reality of the show but Every good anime like this has to have some completely magical ending... Like Full Metal Alchemist... Every thing was almost back to normal... I would love a Movie finale like FMA though... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.166.239.135 (talk • contribs) 13:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

I think you mean second Series, Season 2 alreayd happened (Eps 14 through 26 with Shonen Heart by Home Made Kazoku as the OP. RiderLeangle, 4:17 16 August 2007

Seven?

AFAIU the article doesn't explicitly state, what the word "Seven" in the series' title stands for. Is that supposed to be self-explanatory or is there no information (or, at least, speculation) on this topic? :) --Koveras ^☭ 12:28, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

No information. —TangentCube /c /t  18:36, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

The True Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything; 7 times 7, that is, 49. - Adahn 08:29, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know of any sources for the information. But the Seven in the name is most probably a refrerence to the Seven Swell Phenomenon. Dantman 11:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I was always under the impression it was because of the head count picture that showed up every now at the end of one of the OPs. 69.19.14.26 09:51, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

This is my theory... SPOILERS!!! well, sort of... I think it's because it's the seventh in a series of planets...

Counting backward from the very last planet in our solar system to earth... Seven planets...

Well, Earth would be the seventh... And if you've seen all 50 episodes, you'd know that It takes place on a reformed Earth...

Not Logged in But BigBluntman 8:24 am EST US. March 16th 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.166.239.135 (talk • contribs) 12:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

Seven Swell, seven colors of the rainbow, etc. That is probably the best guess, though it is uncofirmed of course. 68.0.99.130 10:08, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

交響詩篇

What is the proper translation of this? As of this edit, User:Jbetteridge has changed it to Symphonic Poem; however, looking up 交響詩篇 on WWWJDIC gave symphonic poem as 交響詩; what happens with 篇? It doesn't seem to be able to stand alone, but then I don't actually know Japanese... —TangentCube /c /t  07:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Roughly, it means "symphonic poetry" or "symphonic psalms" (as 詩篇 is Japanese for the book of Psalms), hence "Psalms of Planets". But the "symphonic poem", as far as I know, has no source other than the fansubs. Magus Melchior 23:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

"Plasms of Planets" is the official English title that appears on the cover and elsewhere in the Japanese editions of the manga. EdmundWong 09:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Animation Upgrade for DVD version

Lately I've been hearing that the animation for this series has undergone a drastic animation upgrade when transferred from its raw format to DVD format. Example: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/Magil/dvdvsraw.jpg (Left is DVD, right is raw) Should this be mentioned in the article somewhere? It seems like a pretty big difference, much moreso than what's normal. 68.0.99.130 03:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

While it is more of a facelift than what some may be used to seeing, this sort of thing is hardly uncommon in the Japanese animation industry. I don't believe it's actually worthy of note. EdmundWong 09:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I only brought it up because I saw there already is a comment on it pertaining to the final episode in the Trivia section on the Episode list, but there were major revisions done to more than just the last episode. 68.0.99.130 06:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm the originator of the comparison pic linked to. I should make it clear, that in terms of actually going back and redrawing parts of the episodes, the DVDs do NOT feature a drastic improvement, just a handfull of episodes featured redrawn art as the broadcast version was severly underpar. Those episodes are 29, 36, 38, 49 and 50. There should have been more but unfortunately that's all. The rest of the series is unchanged but looks better not because of animation upgrades but due to the direct DVD quality. The majority of the raws for Eureka Seven were of variying quality, and especially poor (much more so than the usual anime raws) during the second half. Of course Episode 50 is the exception as it was aired with one week less to finish up (episodes 49 and 50 aired together), thus it airing in an almost incomplete form and the DVD version being drastically improved. Vobox 22:29, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

The lead again

Hi, it's me again (waves). I see you've moved some of the production info down to its own section. But that has again made the lead too short, in the guideline's view. (Sorry I can't help, but I haven't finished this show yet.) --GunnarRene 03:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

"Limit of Questions"

I take it this was the (official) English translation of 件の限界 (kudan no genkai)?

Just making a note since I couldn't find it in here after TangentCube's edit.

Magus Melchior 01:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. User:68.0.99.130 got to it before me, on the episode list. Something about how every intelligent being can be considered as asking a question of... something, Vodarek? I don't remember. —TangentCube /c /t  01:54, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, given Norb's dialogue aboard the Gekko, the original Japanese might have suggested "Limit of Thought"; I guess the localization crew opted for a by-the-book translation of kudan. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Magus Melchior (talk • contribs) 05:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

All the examples in the dictionaries I've looked at for 件 suggest that it is more akin to (if I may use another language as an example) the Latin res (an affair, an event), rather than materia (physical material); consequently, I have removed the "Limit of Matter" alternate definition from the Scub Coral section, as "matter" can be construed either way. Someone with a better grasp of Japanese than I should put a (better) literal translation in the nihongo template. —TangentCube /c /t  08:09, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I just looked at my dictionary, and the phrase "kudan no" suggests something to the effect of "limit in question", or "the aforementioned limit". Magus Melchior 17:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Well if its of any value, Nanashi fansubs referred to it as "The Limit of Life", which is a lot more understandable then "The Limit of Questions", which makes no sense.--Bazarnz 16:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Limit of Questions

I did a search on limit of questions and found this Buddhist text: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.044.than.html It seems relevant. —- Hackwrench (talk • contribs) 02:30, 27 January 2007 (UTC).

Although I'm sure BONES drew a lot of stuff from Buddhism, we'd still need a source connecting that source to Eureka Seven. Magus Melchior 21:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Puppy Love

Puppy Love seems to be a significant theme between Renton and Eureka, but i'm not sure if it's worth a section or what have you. Looking for feedback here. Just H^{editor review} 22:26, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I doubt we're supposed to be making in-depth plot analyses. —TangentCube /c /t  23:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

As long as the big three are followed (WP:V, WP:NOR, WP:NPA), plot analyses aren't an issue. The question isn't that, it's WP:N towards that issue of the plot. Just H^{editor review} 17:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

That's what I was getting at; since, by itself, this one theme doesn't seem to be very notable, a section dedicated to it would become an OR magnet. An all-encompassing theme section, maybe, but then there are the usual problems of pop-culture notability and sourcing... maybe it's just me. —TangentCube /c /t  18:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

My apologies, I misunderstood the tone of your statement. Perhaps not a section, but including it in there somewhere. It does seem to be a recurring theme, but i'm not sure if there's anything out there in regards to this analysis, but i'll look around. Just H^{editor review} 22:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Should fit in the "plot" section... 172.132.222.75 09:21, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Standardization of terms

Since the previous discussion has been moved to an archive, this is a summary of the consensus reached therein:

• The terms used in the family of Eureka Seven articles should follow the spelling used by the English dub when referring to the anime and the English manga adaptation when referring to the manga. This includes:

Gekkostate for the main group of protagonists

Gekko (manga: Moonlight), Swan, and Galaxy for the ships used by Gekkostate, the Beams, and Dewey, respectively

Per episode 48, the name used in the English dub for Dewey's ship is Ginga.

Nirvash typeZERO and typeTheEND for Eureka's and Anemone's LFOs

Lifting for the trapar sport

Scub Coral (manga: Scab Coral) for the planetary entity

Limit of Questions for the phenomena triggered by the Scub Coral's awakening

Norb for the man who was Sakuya's partner

Vodarac for the religion Norb belongs to

Please address any comments or questions here. —TangentCube /c /t  23:38, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Updated per episode 48. —TangentCube, Dialogues 05:30, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Soundtrack

Can some one provide a full soundtrack for all 4 arcs of the wonderful series? Many thanks... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.132.222.75 (talk • contribs) 09:19, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

I got the first soundtrack at Best Buy.. I got it with a box set of the... 4th DVD? I don't think they've released the complete soundtrack in America yet... サイレン 13:24, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Best anime DVD 2006 by Anime Insider

I'm removing the 'citation needed'-tag. I have found several posts/blogs quoting the anime insider, and it seems to be true. (http://www.tokyopop.com/animacks34/blog/25178.html and http://l9ianime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1741 for example.) number29 18:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

unknown characters?

on one of the dvd covers there is a girl and a coralian boy does anyone know who they are? heres the dvd cover --69.202.151.71 19:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

looks to me like renton & eureka, just with the wings on the wrong person. :] there are no characters like these in the anime. number29 20:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Those characters are actually Renton and Eureka's future children. Hellspawn 10:22, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

why do they need more children they already have maeter, maurice and linck?Bardiel the 13th angel2015 12:53, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Maeter, maurice, and linck aren't Renton and Eureka's biological children. Renton and Eureka, being together at the end of the series, will want children of their own one day. This is also the reason the Nirvash sent them back to Earth - to further evolution by creating a hybrid species that can create acceptance between humanity and coralians. Hellspawn 09:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

In-universe

I've tagged this in-universe for the following reasons. The article relies on in-universe terminology to explain itself, which is to say that terms like "transverse light particles" are meaningless in the real world. As well as the acronym LFO, and any number of other terms given up front without explanation. Some of them are explained and put into context further down the page, but that is putting the cart before the horse. Generic terms with wikilinks are a better way to go, such as using mecha instead of "LFO" on first mention, then explaining it's called an LFO and what that acronym means. Basically, a reader should not have to have already read the article to understand the article. There are other issues, but as the tag says, consult the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction) page for more. --Boradis 11:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Kudan no genkai

This term is wrongly translated. It may appear as such in fansubs, but it seems to be a case of blindly consulting a dictionary and picking an arbitrary meaning for an uncommon word. Jogloran 05:53, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Then how about a detailed explanation as to why it should be translated some other way? By all means, provide a convincing argument for the article to not follow the established convention, as outlined above. —TangentCube, Dialogues 06:57, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Rebroadcast of Episode 50

The final episode of Eureka 7 is being rebroadcast on Adult Swim in the United States on Sat., May 5 at 1:00 AM thereby pushing Ghost in the Shell back a week. This is due to the elimination of Eureka's monologue at the start and the elimination of everything after the "1 Year later box" when the finale aired. Here's the link to an admin's response on the message board. [1] I thought some reference should be made to this. No idea how to edit Wiki though so could someone else take it from here? To those who watch Adult Swim, AS even did a bump before Family Guy I hear apologizing for the butchering of the episode. 71.230.202.3 04:47, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Already referenced both on the main article and at List of Eureka Seven episodes. —TangentCube, Dialogues 05:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I still think this should be mentioned on the main article.--Tempest115 13:39, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Adding Trivia. - August 2nd 2007

I apologize for my lack of wiki experience.

I was going over this article and noticed it was missing a trivia, like the one found in many of the other anime articles. Eureka Seven has a huge amount of pop culture references hidden through out it. Many of the name schemes, and concepts are based around music sub culture such as raving, clubing, skating, surfing and dj'ing.

KLF - is possibly loose reference to the music group. Considered pioneers and rebels themselves it would not be unlikely for the show to reference them. Especially since it seems there is a common theme to their names.

Charles and Ray - Two characters from the show whose name is possibly a reference Ray Charles.

Gekko Go - is a SL1200 MKII which is the same model of the industry standard turn table for Dj'ing: Technics SL1200 MKII

Moondoggie and Gidget - refence to the surf based television series.

Wheels - though the boards are used much like surf boards, they do contain a single wheel that resembles that of a skate board wheel. The wheels use and effects on abilities that are explained in the show about size and use of the wheel are that of most skate professionals.

The DJ'ing during the park seen makes actual logical references to the art of dj'ing and is spoken from an educated stance.

The Vinyl record sleeves match that of modern electronica releases, not hip hop or any other type.

I am sure there is more. Is this something that should be looked into and added to this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.64.30.2 (talk • contribs) 19:33, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

All the trivia is, for now, located at the child articles List of Eureka Seven characters and List of Eureka Seven episodes. Also, we should generally be limiting the amount of unsourced trivia and cultural references; see Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections for more information. —TangentCube, Dialogues 19:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Sub-section for terminology, locations

I noticed one thing that is lacking in the article is the total absence of any notes on the various locations in the Eureka Seven world, and a total lack of any sort of list of terminology in the series, barring the bare minimum of Scub Coral, Trapar, LFOs and Compac Drives. This should be a sub article of the "Setting" section.

There is huge wealth of terminology in the series that would merit it's own subsection, as well as listing some of the various settings of the series (Cities, geographical locations).

Thoughts? I would like to add this to the article but wanted to get a few opinions.

Vobox 08:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Some examples? —TangentCube, Dialogues 14:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Many terms in the show, such as Summer of Love, Despair Sickness, Great Wall, The Zone, Kute class Coralian, Antibody class Coralian, Seven Swell, Vodarec etc.

As for locations, places such as Ciudades del Cielo, Bellforest, Tresor, Warsaw, FAC51 etc.

Also in my opinion the entry for Scub Coral should be shortened to be less spoiler intensive on the first page and be more general, like the Trappar and LFO entries, and the more spoiler filled description could be in the sub section.

Vobox 00:54, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Roll some of the related terms into one entry (Coralians, for example) and leave off the more minor locations (and I would say Warsaw is minor, as it is only relevant to that one episode). Other than that, I'm not really a content person, so I don't have any other objections.

In re spoilers: yeah, the last two paragraphs can probably be moved out of there and into seperate entries.

Also, you've used both "sub article" and "sub section"; do you mean to say spin off a new article or make the list in the main article? —TangentCube, Dialogues 02:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that would work. And I meant spin off a new article page sub-linked from the "Setting" section. Much like there's a Characters article sub-linked from the "Character" section etc.

As for the Scub Coral part, I was thinking more, re-arrange the paragraph to be more general, as in the basics of it, and the really spoilery material such as where it originated from and what not, be moved into the aformentioned new sub article. I think it's a bit much for someone to look up the main page of the article and with no spoiler warning be treated to info that is given towards the end of the series.

Vobox 06:09, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, splitting it to a new article means it will have to comply with WP:FICT to avoid an AfD (like the previous attempt; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Universe of Eureka Seven), and I don't think we have the sources to do that.

In re Scub: replace "Earth" with "home planet" or a similar term and it should be fine, if that spoiler is a real concern. Personally, I don't think it matters, but, eh... —TangentCube, Dialogues 06:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, yeah raeding that seems like it would be more of a hassle than it is really worth, and it seems based on that deleted article something similar was proposed. Eh, I'll drop the idea, though I'll alter the scub article a bit to make it less spoilerish.

Vobox 06:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

The reason I asked for a bit of clarification on the article thing is becuase Fullmetal Alchemist has had a terminology list since I began editing, so it'd probably be fine in the main article itself. —TangentCube, Dialogues 06:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I've seen that article. I think squeezing everything on the main page as it is already is a bit too much, and considering how much text is allocated to Scub Coral, Trappar, etc, adding more terminology on the main article itself will just bloat the whole thing, considering how much there is.

Perhaps instead of spoiling the entire Scub Coral concept, make it a general Scub Coral text that covers the general gist of the Scub Coral in a short paragraph and then brief bullet points devoted to it's forms. That would reduce the size of the section too...perhaps trim down the trappar paragraph as well.

As for the rest of the terminology, if it's to be on the same page, maybe it's own section, right below Setting? Vobox 06:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that'd work. —TangentCube, Dialogues 06:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

HotSup 07:10, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

have a question concerning the places in the series. In german tv they just showed E7 till episode 20 but i noticed that the places of the E7- world are true places on our real world, for example in Episode 11 where the experience the coralian for the first time. the gekko-crew meets up and checks out the place where it should occur. if you stop the clip at where they look at the map, and then compae it to the map of slovenija in google (by tipping in "velenje" and using the google-map-search), you'll notice, that everything is in the exact place! the cities, the position of the alps. So my Q is that, is it right to say, the storyx takes place on a different planet or is it just a heavily changed earth?!?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.179.97.99 (talk) 05:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Golden Bough

This is a book that appears in Eureka Seven a lot but there is nothing about it. any one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.226.117.89 (talk • contribs)

The Golden Bough? And it doesn't really appear "a lot", if you ask me... —TangentCube, Dialogues 04:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Image

Hi. This article should have an image which identifies it to the reader. Just the logo is not enough since it's not particularly distinctive, and it also does not serve to recognize the characters and mecha. Look at Image:RahXephon_dvdcover3_adv.jpg as used on RahXephon for example. --GunnarRene 17:47, 20 October 2007 (UTC)