Talk:Loren Coleman

The subject of this article, Loren Coleman, has edited Wikipedia as Cryptozoo (talk · contribs).

Tom Slick movie

I removed the line This book, on Tom Slick, is due to be made into a motion picture during the next decade. If you put it back in, please add a few more details, e.g. the name of a studio that bought the story, and/or a director who has shown interest. Or, even better, a verifiable source. Also, please explain what "the next decade" is. The 10 years starting now? The 2010s? --Austrian 15:15, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Look through User 72.224.214.119's edits. I have a feeling it might be Loren Coleman himself.... Zagalejo 04:33, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, looks like its him... Zagalejo 05:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Going further back, 24.198.27.250 also appears to be Himself.

Radio and TV

I have seen this subject on TV, such as In Search Of, on the Documentary chanels, incl. the Discovery Channel, and related channels, the History Channel, and heard him on the radio, such as Coast To Coast AM, and on Jeff Rense's radio show. Martial Law 00:08, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Can this be used ? Martial Law 00:09, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Sure. Zagalejo 20:11, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, no; not unless you have impartial, third-party sources. "I saw/heard it myself" is Original Research, and not permitted. --Orange Mike 13:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Well appearances on TV and radio are worthy of mention (I'm not sure having watched them strictly counts as original research) - his IMDB entry can be used to verify a lot of the TV work and Rense and C2C both have extensive sites listing guests so it should be possible to address that angle too. (Emperor 15:15, 25 October 2007 (UTC))

Yes, having watched them is OR; but the IMDb, etc. sound like adequate sourcing for relatively uncontroversial items. --Orange Mike 19:41, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

COI tag

The problem I have with this article is that nearly all of the references are from Coleman's own website or blogs. In other words, there is no independent evidence of its claims. As far as possible, the references need to be replaced with third party WP:Reliable Sources. Peter Ballard 23:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

While COI might not be proved I agree with what you say - the critical thing is that (with a few exceptions) blogs aren't reliable sources and all those links to his own site (and Boing Boing) should either not be here at all or they shouldn't be the only sources for the claims. He does appear in the papers and magazines and so it should be possible to source things elsewhere (not that I have the time to do it). I'd suggest removing those references to blogs and adding {{refimprove}} for now until the issues can be addressed. (Emperor 00:39, 25 October 2007 (UTC))

LC reply

I hope this is the correct way to do this. Here goes....I admit to being a dinosaur, or well, at least a Yeti about this.

Yes, I do sometimes go into my bio entry to update or correct it with info, as I notice vandals do hit. But more importantly, I sometimes notice that people place confusing "clarifications" that merely stumble over old mistakes.

I did not come up with the phrase "world's greatest living cryptozoologist," and that comes out of being introduced as such at venues like FT's UnCon in London in the 1990s, by Craig Woolheater in Texas (2001), and as recently as by John Horrigan at the "Mass Monster Mash" 2007 conference. Do you wish for me to provide references? To whom?

As to the various editions of Mysterious America, also, sorry for any feeling of it being self-promotion. I merely was trying to clean up the publishing information that there are very different editions for 1983, 2001, and now 2007. But, yes, I hear what you are saying, and I will be careful about any over dramatic wording. Hey, what can I say. I don't write dryly. :-)

As to citations for my work that are not from LorenColeman.com and from Cryptomundo.com (where I blog but do not run it), I was just sent the following bibliography by a library researcher. I share it for your use or merely to peruse. At this point, I feel I should not be the one to add it from what I am getting from the user talk. It's your call, anyone that reads this. Thank you.

Best wishes Loren Coleman lcoleman {@} maine.rr.com

Loren Coleman/International Cryptozoology Museum – Web Bibliography

derek@freakylinks.com. “20 Questions with Loren Coleman.” Freakylinks.com. 17 Dec. 2000 <reprinted: http://www.paranormalexplorer.com/cryptozoology/cryptozoology_article.htm>

Wolf, Buck. “Hideous Objects Become Museum Art.” ABC News. 09 Sep. 2003 <http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/WolfFiles/Story?id=90251&page=4>

“Bigfoot Replica.” Coast to Coast AM with George Noory: Shows. 02 Aug. 2004 <http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2004/08/02.html>

“Cryptozoology museum: A must see when in Portland.” The Essential Ghoul’s Record Shelf. 11 Jan 2005 <http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:v9pWQmbvhqoJ:drmysterian.com/2005/01/crypt ozoology- museum+essential+ghoul%27s+record+shelf+cryptozoology+museum&hl=en&ct=clnk &cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a>

Shepherd, Marleen. “Renowned Cryptozoologist Got His Start at SIUC.” The Southern. 26 Oct. 2005. <http://www.southernillinoisan.com/articles/2005/10/26/top/10000833.txt>

Nadeau, Renee. “Fight for your right to party with Bigfoot, Yeti.” The Berkeley Beacon. 27 Oct. 2005. <http://media.www.berkeleybeacon.com/media/storage/paper169/news/2005/10/27/Lifest yle/Fight.For.Your.Right.To.Party.With.Bigfoot.Yeti-1038191-page2.shtml>

“Cryptozoology Symposium: Out of Time, Place, Scale.” Bates College. 28 Oct. 2005 <http://www.bates.edu/x66592.xml> “Bigfoot Lives!” Gridskipper: The Urban Travel Guide. 02 Feb. 2006 <http://gridskipper.com/travel/portland-me/bigfoot-lives-157059.php?mail2=true>

Chase, Stacey. “On Bigfoot’s Trail.” The Boston Globe. 26 Feb. 2006 <http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2006/02/26/on_bigfoots_trail/>

Pescovitz, David. “Maine Mystery Beast sideshow banner.” BoingBoing: A Directory of Wonderful Things. 13 Oct. 2006 <http://www.boingboing.net/2006/10/13/maine- mystery-beast-.html>

Pescovitz, David. “Maine Mystery Beast banner to be donated to Loren Coleman’s museum.” BoingBoingL A Directory of Wonderful Things. 15 Oct. 2006 <http://www.boingboing.net/2006/10/15/maine-mystery-beast-.html>

Skelton, Kathryn. “A man and his (weird) museum.” The Lewiston Sun Journal. 06 Oct. 2007 <http://www.sunjournal.com/story/232974- 3/MaineNews/A_man_and_his_weird_museum/>

“A peek at the goodies inside the International Cryptozoology Museum.” The Lewiston Sun Journal. 06 Oct. 2007 <http://www.sunjournal.com/story/232975- 3/MaineNews/A_peek_at_the_goodies_inside_the_International_Cryptozoology_Museu m/>

“Cryptozoological Biographies: Loren Coleman.” Cryptozoological Realms. n.d. <http://www.cryptozoology.net/english/biographies/bios_c.html>

“Loren Coleman – Cryptozoologist” Homestead.com. n.d. <http://www.homestead.com/WinterSteel/LorenColeman.html>

“Loren Coleman.” The Red Pill. n.d. <http://redpill.dailygrail.com/wiki/Loren_Coleman>

“Loren Coleman.” Scifipedia. n.d. <http://scifipedia.scifi.com/index.php/Loren_Coleman>

Compiled by bibliographical researcher Corey Chimko, November 2007. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cryptozoo (talk • contribs) 22:09, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Loren. Yes, commenting on the Talk page is exactly the correct way to go. Editing your own article is discouraged except the most basic of facts - see the Wikipedia:Autobiography guideline. It looks like you've violated that guideline in the past, but never mind, the past can't be changed. I suspect authors will try to incorporate some of the stuff you've listed into the article. But be patient. We're all part time editors, so the wheels often turn slowly. Peter Ballard 01:04, 7 November 2007 (UTC)