Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 December 12

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December 12

NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Eastern Orthodox Christians by nationality

Propose renaming Category:Eastern Orthodox Christians by nationality to Category:Eastern Orthodox Christians by jurisdiction
Nominator's rationale: Rename. As one might expect, most Russians who are Orthodox Christians belong to the Russian Orthodox Church, most Greeks to the Church of Greece, etc. However, churches are emphatically not set up on ethnic criteria -- this was condemned as a heresy ("philetism") in 1872 -- but rather, jurisdictions are supposed to follow traditional and geographic boundaries. These borders most often happen to correspond with national boundaries, but not always (for instance the great majority of ethnic Romanians in Moldova continue to belong to the Russian Orthodox Church, which has held sway there since 1944, while most Slavic Macedonians are part of the Serbian Orthodox Church) The point is that we should follow jurisdictinal rather than ethnic lines, because the Church itself does so. Biruitorul (talk) 16:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Journalists killed in action

Propose renaming Category:Journalists killed in action to Category:Journalists killed while covering war
Nominator's rationale: Rename. "Killed in action" is a military term, and should only be applied to those participating in military action. The new name is also consistent with the names of its subcats. jwillbur 16:51, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Authoritarian political parties

Category:Authoritarian political parties - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Criteria for inclusion will always be highly subjective and pov-ish. Soman (talk) 11:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I was actually considering adding this to Sanacja. Some category for the for the single party or The Party (politics) would be useful. We have Category:Parties of single-party systems, but what about wannabies? Parties who support authoritarianism, may have excessive parties, but are no monopolies? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 18:46, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the problem lies in delimitation. No state is 100% free (by its nature as an organ holding repressive power), nor is any state 100% unfree (by the sheer fact that any regime, even dictatorship, needs some degree of popular legitimacy). Single-party system parties is a valid cat, cause its delimitation is based on more or less formalized one-party systems. 'Authoritarian' is highly dubious criteria. --Soman (talk) 15:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kbdank71 (talk) 15:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Articles supported by WPRhodesia

Category:Articles supported by WPRhodesia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Rename to Category:WikiProject Rhodesia articles, the standard WikiProject convention. -- Prove It (talk) 14:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Israel Aircraft Industries

Propose renaming Category:Israel Aircraft Industries to Category:Israel Aerospace Industries
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Proper current name of company. Main article is at Israel Aerospace Industries. Snocrates 09:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:NRK

Propose renaming Category:NRK to Category:Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
Category:NRK television programmes to Category:Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation television programmes.
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Expand abbreviations per WP:NCCAT. Main article is at Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation. Snocrates 09:49, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Orlando television anchors

Propose renaming Category:Orlando television anchors to Category:Orlando, Florida television anchors
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Per convention of parent Category:Orlando, Florida. Snocrates 09:36, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fort Wayne television anchors

Propose renaming Category:Fort Wayne television anchors to Category:Fort Wayne, Indiana television anchors
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Expand name of city per conventions and parent Category:Fort Wayne, Indiana. Snocrates 09:31, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:New York television anchors

Propose renaming Category:New York television anchors to Category:New York City television anchors
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Category is defined as television anchors who worked in New York City, not ones who worked somewhere in New York state. Snocrates 09:28, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Salt Lake television anchors

Propose renaming Category:Salt Lake television anchors to Category:Salt Lake City television anchors
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Use proper full name of city per convention. (Editors can haggle over whether or not to include ", Utah" since some SLC categories do and others don't. I would tend to include it since article is at Salt Lake City, Utah and category is Category:Salt Lake City, Utah, but the immediate parent is Category:Salt Lake City media. Perhaps a more full CFD involving all the Salt Lake City categories would be a more appropriate place to hash that one out, so here I just propose a name fix to the city.) Snocrates 09:24, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Famous pandas

Propose renaming Category:Famous pandas to Category:Famous giant pandas
Nominator's rationale: Pandas actually refer to at least two different animals, red panda and giant panda. This category is mostly about famous giant pandas. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment / initial oppose: Category appears to include both giant and red pandas; e.g., Babu (red panda). Are you proposing a new category for famous red pandas or just removing red pandas from the category? I agree though that just having a category for "pandas" could be problematic as the two groups are only distantly related. Snocrates 03:42, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose before we get into discussing panda apartheid, there are sufficiently few articles here to really generate another level of categorization. After all, we've lumped all the apes together mixing gorillas with chimps with bonobos, etc. and as for distant relation, all fish are lumped together which no doubt have more distant relationships than dumping all mammals (much less all pandas, apes, rodents, etc.) together. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 04:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment did you look at the biological classification boxes? They are not related. It would be like classifying dogs with cats, or whales with seals. 132.205.99.122 (talk) 19:08, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Well unless I've missed an article, the concern for excluding red pandas really only pertains to exactly one article right now - Babu (red panda). Babu the Red Panda seems to be notable only because he escaped and spent four days on the loose. So I'm guessing that there aren't going to be many red pandas becoming famous anytime soon, unlike most captive giant pandas outside China - the birth of each giant panda outside China seems to be notable in and of itself because of the amount of news coverage devoted to each birth. So I would propose that we recategorise Babu (red panda) to the top level Category:Famous animals, the same place where Nereus the Walrus sits. It seems red pandas are genetically very unique, at least according to the Red Panda article. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 07:37, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as they are biological, physically, and in human culture, distinct. 132.205.99.122 (talk) 19:08, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Captains of Norwich City F.C.

Category:Captains of Norwich City F.C. - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Delete - overcategorized, already listed at Captains of Norwich City F.C.. Chanheigeorge (talk) 02:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"they should all be playing captains" - what does that mean? --Dweller (talk) 15:25, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
many sports have non-playing captains, Davis Cup tennis comes to mind. But these guys are all players for Norwich City F.C. so the merger would work. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Law enforcement agencies of Dubai

Suggest renaming Category:Law enforcement agencies of Dubai to Category:Law enforcement agencies of the United Arab Emirates
Suggest merging Category:Law enforcement in Dubai to Category:Law enforcement in the United Arab Emirates
Nominator's rationale: Rename first; upmerge second. The parents are Category:Law enforcement by country and Category:Law enforcement agencies by country; there is no equivalent "by city" parent categories for Dubai to be placed in as part of a larger scheme. Category for renaming contains only one article but I suggest it may be kept as part of large "by country" scheme of classification. Category for upmerging contains nothing but category to be renamed. Snocrates 00:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]