Talk:Metropolis at Metrotown

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Metrotown is 3rd largest mall in Canada

See this page from Square One Shopping Centre's website and it clearly states that Square One is #2. --Mb1000 04:36, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

City of Burnaby's website says Metrotown's #2 in Canada (PDF file). This site also concurs. -→Buchanan-Hermit ™/?! 04:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also Ivanhoe Cambridge's property info. Metrotown also has more parking spaces, floors, anchors, stores, and retail space than Square One, according to their respective articles. Carson 04:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I would have to disagree. More stores or retail space does not necessarily mean larger. In addition to Square One's official website (which is frequently updated and is unlikely to contain innacurate information) the following webpages also concur with my edit, and agree that Square One is the second largest mall in Canada:

Mississauga welcome page from the Credit Valley Hospital [1]

Press release from menswear retailer Harry Rosen [2]

--Mb1000 05:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"With the reclassification of the West Edmonton Mall as an entertainment complex, Square One is now the largest retail shopping centre in Canada."[3] Looks like it might be #1 instead of #2 if the website's accurate... Carson 05:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm emailing all three malls to see what they have to say. Maybe I'll get replies tomorrow. The Square One website contradicts itself by saying it's #2, but also saying it's #1 because West Edmonton Mall is an "entertainment complex". The one thing the Square One website and its property owner Oxford Properties agrees on is that it's the largest mall in Ontario (Oxford does not mention anything about Canada). So far more sources refer to Metrotown as #2 than Square One. West Edmonton Mall is "world's largest entertainment and shopping centre"[4] so that might be contradictory to Square One's claim of being #1. Carson 06:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good work. Keep it up! :) --Mb1000 17:57, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Two points on this: One, before the Metrotown expansion, Square One was clearly the second largest mall in Canada, and this was widely publicized, so it's not surprising that some people keep repeating this factoid in press releases or what have you. It's also not surprising that Square One keeps making this claim, as being the second biggest is probably a big selling point for the mall when it come to attracting retailers and tourists. None of these claims are backed by any hard evidence.

Two, there seem to be a number of different measures used to gauge the size of malls. For example, the Mall of America is famous as the biggest mall in the U.S., but it is actually only the biggest when it comes to total area. [5] There are actually a number of American malls that are bigger when measured by amount of leaseable retail space. By that meassure, Metrotown would seem to be the bigger mall. If Square One's claim is based on the fact that it has a bigger total area, that should be supported by actual data on the areas of the two malls. The only other way Square One could claim to be bigger is if Metrotown is looked at as two seperate entities rather than a single mall. This is the case with the King of Prussia Mall, which claims to be the second-biggest mall in America, but on most lists is broken down into three smaller malls.

- timminspress 12/08/2006

I got a response from Metrotown:

Metropolis at Metrotown became Canada's 2nd largest mall (1.8 million square feet, 470 stores) on completion of the joining of Metrotown Centre and Metropolis at Metrotown on March 22, 2005. Apparently word hasn't reached Mississauga yet as you are actually the 2nd person to mention to me that Square One makes that assertion.
— Shane Eldstrom, General Manager - Metropolis @ Metrotown

Is that sufficient? Carson 23:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What was the response from Square One? --Mb1000 18:52, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They haven't responded yet. I got a reply from the property manager saying that she forwarded my question to Square One's management office, and I haven't heard from them since. Carson 22:34, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What about the line "and third largest in North America" - third largest in what? I can't see anything that would qualify it for that... Astorrs (talk) 01:29, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 15:21, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Metrotown → Metropolis at Metrotown — "Metropolis at Metrotown" is the official mall name, not just "Metrotown". The article "Metrotown" must be moved to "Metropolis at Metrotown". —Steam5 19:54, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose. We don't do official names, especially when, as here, they may be changed at the whim of the marketing department. See WP:COMMONNAME. What is the place actually called, in common English usage? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:38, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Metrotown is what absolutely everyone calls it. That's even what the SkyTrain station is called that gets you there. bobanny 05:37, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Any additional comments: Steam5 19:54, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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