Talk:Hershel Schachter

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sources

add sources as you find them, online or off line

the YU bio Jon513 17:43, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

image copyright

YU personally released it under the GFDL? Rather, I think this is a copyright "publicity photo", no? I will change the tag. Correct me if I am wrong. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 21:51, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is more likely a {{Promophoto}} than anything else, otherwise it is likely copyrighted. -- Avi 13:25, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image Decoration

Do we need a glorified image and frame of Rav Schachter? No, just the normal frame. His birth date and place of birth should be included only in the article, not in a special side template such as those used for towns and occasions. Very few people have these special templates in their articles - and certainly no Rabbis that I've yet seen. Nesher 13:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is called a biography infobox. This one is specific for living people. Why are you against it? -- Avi 13:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Because it does not add anything. And why don't Rabbis Yosef Shalom Eliashiv, Norman Lamm, Shlomo Amar, Yisrael Meir Lau, Yona Metzger, Jonathan Sacks, Yakov Aryeh Alter etc etc etc have one? Many thanks, Nesher 14:04, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be glad to put one on each :) Do you feel the box is extraneous and detracts from the article? Or would you prefer that all of the above get one? -- Avi 18:35, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I feel it's extraneous and detracts. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 18:56, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To Avi's chagrin, I would second that. Nesher 19:19, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Then take it off, no harm done. I personally think it looks more professional, but Al Ta'am V'rayach, Ayn L'hitvakayach -- Avi 00:00, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Copyediting points

A few points about the copyediting in this article.

I do not believe we need to translate Semicha, as it is wikilinked already and if anyone is uncertain as to what it means, a simple click will resolve that.
If we are going to capitalize the 'T' in Tzon due to the Hay Hayediah in front, shouldn't we capitalize the 'I' in I'kvei after the Bais?
Neither HaRav Hirschprung nor HaRav Lifshutz have wiki articles yet, why are they wikilinked?
I think the Hebrew name of the sefarim should be bolded and italicized.
The "Since 1971…" sounds to passive to me, I think it should be rewritten in a more active voice.
Yes, we talk about "giving" Semicha (I have Yoreh Yoreh twice) but in a professional article, I believe the proper verb is "granted," or even better "received Semicha," as it is permission to pasken (L'hyos Rav U'Moreh B'Yisrael) and not just a sheepskin.
Why is HaRav Belsky mentioned in this article? If we're bringing in the entire OU, where is Rav Genack :)

Thoughts?

-- Avi 00:20, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See something you don't like, DO IT. If I need to correct it, I will :) Same for everyone else of course. Be bold, my friend, be bold. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 01:10, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I did most of them already ;) -- Avi 02:08, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of my edits by Hoopydink and Avraham

Yes, I have heard Rabbi Schachter put on the same stool as Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky (or was in Kaminetsky...?) and from a chareidi Rosh Yeshiva. Rabbi Yosef Shalom Eliashiv is accepted by a large amount, probably the vast majority, of us in the chareidi world as the top gadol hador; I'm referring to Rav Schacter as one of the gedolei hador. I admit, however, that I am lacking sources and shouldn't have edited so hastily. --Yodamace1 09:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

When I was in yeshiva Rav Schachter visited and had a Q&A. The question of who is a godel came up. He said that there are limited but significant halakhic consequences of someone being a godel. As I recall he does not believe that anyone today has that status, though he might have (the student did not agree on what they heard) implied that he himself is a candidate. In any event the word godel here is used colloquially not halakhicly so this is really not an issue. Jon513 11:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would not argue with the fact that Rav Schachter may be considered a gadol today, but gadol hador is a completely different shlav. -- Avi 12:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Controversies Section

I added a section on the recent imbroglio about RHS calling for assassination of the Israeli PM as well as repeating earlier controversies that have been very important in MO about women reading the kesubah at a wedding. I tried to have NPOV but would love to see people improve it! I think there should be something more substantive about the back and forth with Adler, Avi Weiss etc on women's prayer groups and the related denigration of Edah and later YCT by RHS. Please help me include this in the most unbiased way possible.~~Josh~~

I have rewritten it. If you can give me source relating to the "back and forth with Adler, Avi Weiss " I can integrate into the section for you. Jon513 (talk) 12:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Adler article is cited on the bottom of this page. Weiss is from his "Women at Prayer." There are several detailed discussions of this issue on various blogs such as hirhurim. The original article of Rabbi Schachter is his famous צאי לך בעקבי הצאן from the eponymous book. In addition to this someone might want to note RHS's role in the recent conversion brouhaha as the lead arbiter for the RCA of all American conversions. ~~Josh~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.30.16 (talk) 18:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Im trying to fix up the grammar in this section and make it sound less like the esteemed Rabbi's shiur and more like an article. I think it was an especially poor word choice to say that he came "under fire" for his recent remarks about the Israeli PM. In addition he was not criticized for his comments at Yeshivat haKotel; he made the comments at Kotel. Please help keep this NPOV and amicable so we can build a higher quality article that reflects both the importance of and the strong feelings engendered by this Rabbi.

Took out the blockquote and incoporated its gist into the text; I do not see why we need a hanging blockquote of Larry kaplan on RHS.

~~Josh~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.30.16 (talk) 20:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Let us worry about proportion and dangling after the article and section is finished. A lot more may be added by then. Dear 72.229.30.16 I dont know the books you cited on my talk page- you should add them.--Eat-more-radish (talk) 21:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree; this quote is not really anything that cannot be included within a short sentence. Why do we need PROFESSOR Lawrence Kaplans long exposition on the central philosophical position of women's learning in the Rav's weltanschaung? Its not really a great piece of writing, nor is it informative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.30.16 (talk) 21:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cut down the cardinals section and eliminated quote. Your additions to this page are very reflective of TorahWeb, which is great but we need to incorporate some citations of this man's many ספרים as well. In addition I think he was not the most vehemently opposed to the cardinal's visit though he did quietly walk out of the Beis Medrash. He did not, for instance, write a letter to the Commentator as some RY's felt was necessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.30.16 (talk) 22:47, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Halachic Opinions Section

I think that these two opinions are not representative of this broad thinker's vast and unremitting output of Halakhic and political opinions on issues like territorial concessions, brain death, kashrut of all dairy products and urban eruvin. I really would like to see this section either broadened into a representative survey of the literature not just from the interwebs but also from בעקבי הצאן and elsewhere or totally gone. ~~josh~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.30.16 (talk) 22:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hashkafah, Tanach

No mention has been made in this article of Rabbi Schachter's Tanach based haskafah. I think that this deserves some fleshing out from shiurim and primary sources.