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Wiki and other chans

I am changing the page to denote that the Partyvan Wiki and the IRC channels are based off the imageboards and simply an extension of them, and 711chan is just another one of the "larger of the smaller chans" where smaller chans means "Not 4chan." The imageboards are the core of Anonymous and it is not moving beyond that, into any sort of movement or culture, unless you count where it becomes obvious that one is a *chan user by their actions or when a raid is interpreted as a social movement because of misguided media. Kakama (talk) 02:27, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment removed

I will do it just well as long as people stop putting 711chan linked to on Wikipedia. This whole article is asking for deletion or a complete rewrite. 72.205.220.254 (talk) 02:59, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

EPIC PAGE

Anonymous approves for this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by M0rtanius X (talk • contribs) 18:26, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No they don't. 125.237.195.86 (talk) 10:20, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Posting in an epic article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.68.246.45 (talk) 07:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To the wikipedians: Removing spam from talk page To the Anons: Stop sounding like fucking idiots, this page is wrong anyways. -->Kakama (talk)

sage —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.157.110.11 (talk) 13:22, 12 March 2008 (UTC) SAGE GOES IN EVERY FIELD —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.197.209 (talk) 17:14, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Why don't you keep this lame way of talking in failchan? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Destroya111 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not really a group

"Anonymous" really isn't a group. Nothing is really organized, and often the "group" is just defined by who is interested at a certain time over a certain thing. I'd call it a concept more than a group. Certainly recent events with Scientology has made "Anonymous" seem more like a group, simply because it's the first time such a large number of us went in on the same thing, but over-all it's still mostly a concept. Ideas are thrown out, some catch on, some don't. Or maybe you could call it a demographic on the internet. Granted it's hard to define this without going into original research, but given that our published sources are often half-informed news reports, it kind of paints a false picture of what really happens. -- Ned Scott 05:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This brings up one of the big (and probably unsolvable) problems with Wikipedia, which is the distinction between "objective truth", and "verifiable truth". When the "reliable" sources don't exist for a notable topic, or worse when they get it wrong, it is hard to justify adding the correct info to WP in light of the No Origional Research policy. One might invoke the Ignore All Rules policy, though with a controvertial article such as this it would be very difficult for that to reach concensus here. Z00r (talk) 08:15, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This analogy might draw fire, but I'll risk it. I will compare Anonymous to the Animal Liberation Front (ALF). The ALF's membership is comprised entirely of those who voluntarily associate with it in secret. There are no member lists, no centralized organization. There are a few magazines that publish and encourage the behavior, but there certainly are no leaders. To be a member of ALF, you take part in an action ALF would approve of and state you did it in the group's name. After the action, you are no longer a member of ALF. Now all of that said, ALF is still an organization. I would say Anonymous strives even more so not to be an organization, but the generic term "group" still applies, because Anonymous admits that at any given time there is more than one Anonymous. Anonymous is legion. Legion implies a group. That all said, I agree that Anonymous is a concept; I just think this article can serve to explain all of the faces of Anonymous; that of the group, the culture, the tactic, and the idea.--Cast (talk) 10:37, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A very good way to put it. -- Ned Scott 17:39, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
From what I've heard, Anonymous was really just a amorphous collection of Channers and Encyclopedia Dramatica users (I think many of them are now tied to E.D., as it provides info for Anonymous, but I'm not too sure). I know they've allegedly attacked the womensspace forum. The motives revolved around the moderator BitingBeaver after she wished she aborted her teenage son once witnessing him view and masturbate to pornography. This whole conflict is noted on E.D., so if you want more info, just key in either "BitingBeaver" or "TheBitingBeaver." Can't quite remember. 24.250.58.113 (talk) 14:26, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I guess by your logic, we can say that humans aren't a group.--Can Not (talk) 05:00, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
An organized group, not exactly. A group of living things, yeah. Context goes a long way. -- Ned Scott 05:55, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's a shame, but you're right. Wikipedia won't be able to adequately cover the concept of internet anonymity until the internet is significantly more mature (WP:CRYSTAL). Worse, encyclopedias are naturally weak at subjects without clear taxonomy. Loose, impossible to measure associations throw it off. I myself am fascinated by the cultural implications of anonymity. Wherever it's given, you see a upswell of groups fond of piracy, anarchism, and antisocial humor. It's collectivism, yet not at all idealistic. Whatever Project Chanology may indicate, the majority of the anonymous internet is at best lukewarm to the idea of society. You can call all the alarming qualities of the community (mocking diversity, finding child porn funny, hacking websites, laughing at the victims) ironic, black humor. I take it as a layered change in society's perception of itself: "This world is sick, amoral, and meaningless. There's nothing to do about it, so let's have some fun."
Wikichan probably has the best summary. Anyway, it will take years for academy to produce any reliable information, and news organizations are hopeless. --Estemi (talk) 06:22, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well said :) -- Ned Scott 05:28, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of False and Misleading Information

I just deleted some false information. Anyways, I think we should make a list of things that aren't true for future note.

  • "The Northern Light interviewee suggested that the Anonymous organising Project Chanology and the Anonymous "that became infamous" through the Fox report "are different groups"." - Everyone who is remotely familiar with the anonymous would know how clear it was that both organizations are the same. Also, why state that someone (non-notable, nor an expert) was suggesting this in an encyclopedia? This isn't a myspace shoutbox. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Can Not (talk • contribs) 05:15, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • But there's the problem, they're not really groups to start with. No doubt some of the same people are involved, but because there's no major organization, and because they're.. well.. anonymous, it's a different group every time something happens. Even within the Scientology stuff, the people involved in the first DOS attacks on the websites and prank phone calls are not exactly the same group as the people who went out to actually protest in person. They might involve some of the same people, but again, who's involved constantly changes, and along with that the ideas and motivations shift slightly as well. -- Ned Scott 05:53, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Of course "they're not really groups to start with", they are just one single group. I don't see how what you said makes since. If the same people did two different things under the same group name, what could possibly make them two different groups? Let me force your logic into the business world. Programmers, Hardware Technicians, and Janitors are not the same group, right? But all three belong to their own individual organizations called Nvidia. No, that is stupid. You are confusing the term group with roles. Many anons prank phone call, DDoS, IRL protest, or make up propaganda. This is called specialization. When different members of an organization do specific tasks and work together, efficiency is increased. Anonymous is one single group. Fox News and Project Chanology were talking about the same Anonymous.--Can Not (talk) 23:14, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Tons of people are doing things under the name Anonymous because anyone can make that claim. I can go out with ten people and poop on a car and say "Anonymous did this crazy zomg thing". You could describe them as a group (all of humanity can be seen as a group, after all), but what is being implied with reports from Fox News and other places isn't the same thing. This isn't an organization. -- Ned Scott 04:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Granted, the terminology and "identity" that is implied is pretty much the same. -- Ned Scott 04:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the way Ned Scott explained it. There are also another two ways to look at it:

  1. One could argue that they are a "different group" because their ideologies and tactics have changed drastically – even if the members remained the same. As an example, The Road to February 10, 2008 video (endorsed by the Insurgency Wiki) states that Anonymous "embraced" Mark Bunker's words: "His advice to protest peacefully would become the cornerstone of their plans as they moved forward", effectively halting activities of questionable legality such as the DDoS attacks.
  2. The Fox report has been widely dismissed or derided as biased, sensationalistic, inaccurate, or fallacious. According to this viewpoint (which is quite popular online), the portrayal of Anonymous as a bunch of "hackers on steroids" does not reflect the actual group, thus "different groups".

Regarding the non-notability of the individual: the criteria for inclusion within an article is citation against a reliable source, which is met for the case you mentioned. But the sentence probably can be paraphrased to make the intended meaning clearer. Ayla (talk) 14:13, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anonymous, as it exists today, began a few months ago. Prior to this time other groups called Anonymous existed but, as far as Ottoson knows, the Anonymous that organized the Feb. 10 protests and the Anonymous that became infamous after a Fox News investigative piece exposed the group as a cyberterrorism outfit are different groups.[1]

Perhaps none of you understand. Look at the first bold item. This item is not a fact. Look at bold item number 2. The information that "Ottoson" knows is not only false, but the article itself states that he isn't 100% sure. I will now remove the false/misleading information.--Can Not (talk) 23:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I actually agree with the paraphrasing idea. Anonymous isn't a centralised orgonization with a governing body or an oversight group that regulates its members or attests principals and ideas. Rather it is an label that has been applied to people who chose to communicate though set mediums and apply a loose set of principals to those interactions (note that the prinicpals that are set to gobvern those interactions only apply to third life, and have not spillover into real life). Anonymous as it exists today did in fact begin a few months ago prior to that point, it didn't make any political or social "raids" that where focused on long term goals, only "raids for Lulz". So they are "different orgonizations" if the term "orgonization" can be applyed at all. all of that beeing said, I think that paraphrasing it into somthing like "After the Project C (I can't spell it) raid the composition of anonymous drasticly changed from the origional group" or somthing like that (it was a off the cuff paraphrase that can get the conversation started).Coffeepusher (talk) 23:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry. Is Microsoft a different company now than it was 10 years ago because it made a long term investment into the console industry? I'm afraid not. Anonymous has done many raids in the past, some raids to destroy furries, faggotry, racists, pedofilic predators, etc. The only thing different about raiding scientology is that scientology is rich and just as morally grey as anonymous. IRL protests are nothing new to Anonymous, this is simply the biggest IRL protest they've ever done. They haven't changed, they aren't secretly three organizations, etc. Anonymous may have changed in the eyes of the news media or the public (or just became generally known, period), but they haven't made any significant cultural or practical changes. Nothing more than new jokes, same old style. There is also no evidence or reason to believe this drastic change has happened. Care to elaborate?--69.1.35.136 (talk) 04:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Microsoft is a corperation that has a ruling body and governing structure as well as rules and regulations for its members, Anonymous is a culture not an orgonization. It is more closely identified with a speech community, or a counterpublic, however it dosn't have either ideals or an agenda (except for "we do it for Lulz" which is cryptic at best) and its only cohesave element is the method of communication. in other words Anonymous isn't a single orgonization, it is a label that is slaped onto acts of vandalism, hackery, protest, electrical assualt, in such a way to make those events appear more sinister than they actually are. Mostly Anonymous is a group of people who crack jokes on web sites, and blank pages on wikipedia. So saying that the anonymous that crank called a woman on Fox News is a different structure from the anonymous that protested outside Hollywood scientology center is correct.Coffeepusher (talk) 04:55, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Anonymous is not unorganized at all. This shows a clear lack-of-knowing-what-you-are-talking-about on your part. Calling it a label on internet terrorism is also pretty stupid, considering that Anonymous is a consistant integrated network of websites and chatrooms that acknowledges that they are all one entity called anonymous (which is a running gag to refer to their ORGANIZED group efforts such as raids, photoshops, photobucket fishing, etc., as something done by "Anonymous", thus where the name came from). While it is true that there may be two events that involve two different groups called Anonymous, FOX News and Project Chanology both deal with the EXACT SAME group that refers to itself as Anonymous. That is a fact. Quit trying to talk about something you don't really know anything about. The statement does not belong in this article. End of story.--Can Not (talk) 01:30, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The websites and chat rooms didn't protest scientology...people did. Being organized (by your definition I am assuming collective effort) Dosn't make an orgonization. Just by saying that I don't know what I am talking about dosn't make it true, it is actually a Ad Honimin falicy in logic (every time someone loses their temper on wikipedia I end up typing that word), which was explained in the intro section of "Welcome to Wikipedia." Right now you are arguing over semantics, the bottom line is that the actions that where discussed on the fox news report delt with a different segment of the population than the people who participated in the Scientology protests and raids. They used different methods, communicated using different boards, and had different goals, which for all intensive purposes can be seen as two different groups or "orgonizations". The statement is technicly correct, it comes from a WP:RS, and your only counterargument (which you have employed at length) is "Everyone who is remotely familiar with the anonymous would know how clear it was that both organizations are the same" with your "gut instinct" being the only source. So no matter what my or your opinion is, this source can be used in this article.Coffeepusher (talk) 02:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't simply saying you don't know what you were talking about, I was pointing out an obvious observation. Also, I am not using gut instinct, I am using first hand experience. Now on to the "debate" part of this. Fox News did a report on Anonymous as a whole (or simply how they perceived it, or what they thought th public needed to know), and mentioned a few things that Anonymous did. Now Anonymous has organized a raid (aka protest) against the "church" of Scientology. Saying that those two Anonymous' are not the same group is like saying that the Intel that released the Pentium 4 is a different Intel than the one that released the Core 2 Duo. It makes absolutely no since and it's not true.--Can Not (talk) 01:39, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"obvious observations" and "first hand experience" arn't admisable to wikipeida without reliable sources. I do understand what you are saying, but please read the quote. "sudjesting...the Anonymous organising Project Chanology and the Anonymous that became infamous through the Fox report "are different groups". the fox news report was a less than thourough representation of anonymous, and in that representation it used different tactics and goals than the "Project chanology" group. thus Anonymous that became infamous in the public eye (because they phish paswords and put up gay pornography...crank calls...basic middle/high school stuff...videos of blowing up vans...) does not accuratly represent the group that Project chanology came from. now I do stand by the fact that anonymous is an ideology rather than a orgonization, but that is semantics. The point is this article isn't wrong, it just sees things differently than you are comfortable with. Coffeepusher (talk) 18:25, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
1. Anonymous did not become infamous through the FOXNEWS report. They have been infamous ever since their e-violent culture stabilized, which would be more than 2 years before the FOXNEWS report. 2. FOXNEWS's misrepresentations and/or "lies" does not infer that a second imaginary group exists. 3. No, no NO NO NO! It DOES accurately represent the group Project Chanology came from. Just because Anonymous has recruited half the public into it's own personal army against scientology does not mean Anonymous suddenly stopped executing its normal activities.--69.1.35.136 (talk) 00:27, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(outdent) and I agree with you on all but the first point. prior to the fox news report there was little in the public eye that pointed to Anonymous...effectivly they where infamous in their own circles, but I challenge you to find any reports about then identifing their actions with the group itself (please find them...we would like more sources). next I am confused on how you can say that anonymous created a personal army that acted in different ways from their normal activities, seperate the two in your third point...and have a problem with this quotation (the one we are discussing at the top of the page). it appears that you recognise that the activities are seperate, the individuals involved are seperate, and the ideology itself is seperate.Coffeepusher (talk) 00:43, 14 March 2008 (UTC) I don't think I properly understood Can Not before, but I think I got it now. Think of Anonymous as a concept, then we're saying that the Fox News and Scientology anonymous are the same concept. And while I don't think anon is a "group" in the way that some news reports have make it seem like, but yes, they can be considered a group, thus they would be considered the same group. -- Ned Scott 05:03, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh jesus christ. I'm an anonymous. The anonyomus in the fuckterded fox bullshit and the anonymous of the chanology protests are one and the same, kthxbai. --124.40.47.45 (talk) 10:55, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One Sided?

I fear that this page showing a member of anonymous being a sicko is misleading and baseless how many sickos are in christianity or islam you canot spoil a group because of one person what is the purpouse of this give the sicko his own page of shame —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaharous (talk • contribs) 15:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I want to see more showing of the darker, more common side of Anonymous, and you, Zaharous, are not Anonymous. The majority of the actions Anonymous has committed are "sick." Kakama (talk) 02:36, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
They do sick things? You mean like rape, child molestation, murder, holocausts, and evironmental desstruction? Oh, my bad, you meant internet harassment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.1.35.136 (talk) 00:44, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It soon will be more then that —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockstand4-5 (talk • contribs) 01:19, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So. What about the atrocities committed by the Church of Scientology? Locking women in rooms for days on end? Sounds like torture to me. Its wrong to make a conjecture which states that just because Anonymous uses the internet as a tool in spreading their words of protest (cyberterrorism? ha. right.) they're going to rape, murder, and molest. Its a slippery slope argument. (Which, ps, is a HUGE FALLACY) If you dont like what they're saying, get off the internet. They have just as much right to say what they want as you do to accuse them of atrocities that MOST religions commit. Including Scientology. Just saying.

Logo replacement

The second deletion review for Image:AnonymousDemotivator.jpg has just closed as keep. A few days ago, an editor uploaded another version of the logo, Image:Anonymous ring logo.gif, which could be used to substitute the current one. However, considering that the current logo has undergone a heated debate spanning an IfD discussion, a former deletion review, an ANI discussion, its talk page discussions, and the second deletion review, I feel it would be unfair for such a decision to be taken by an individual editor. Thus, I am inviting community input on which version of the logo should be chosen, especially from editors who participated in the said debates. Keep in mind that, per WP:CSD#I5, the non-chosen logo would be deleted as an orphaned unfree image. Thanks. Ayla (talk) 16:38, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ugh decisions! although I applaud the work of the editor who added the new logo, I feel that the origional one it more recognised and should be kept on the page. That and I feel that the first image has more history on this page (all that debate) and has less chance of beeing deleted because of WP:NOMINATINGUNTILLITGETSDELETED (someone please help me out, what is the correct wikilink?).Coffeepusher (talk) 17:50, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Got it, What I was saying was under frivolous WP:KEEPLISTINGTILITGETSDELETEDCoffeepusher (talk) 20:45, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, I agree with your second point (and also with your first, except that the new logo appears to have become more popular recently). Image:Anonymous ring logo.gif will be deleted as orphaned fair use after Thursday, 20 March, so unless there is a consensus favouring it by then, I will let the deletion take its course. Ayla (talk) 19:53, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We really need to stop thinking of it as a logo. It's a symbol attached to the anonymous concept/group, but it's not "official". There's tons of images anonymous uses to identify itself. -- Ned Scott 04:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On a terminological basis, yes, but a logo is in effect the same as a "symbol attached to [a] concept/group". It's not official, but it is the most prevalent one. Ayla (talk) 17:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough :) -- Ned Scott 02:19, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The fair use rationale is way better for the ring logo, and might actually stand up as a rationale. Will (talk) 17:30, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Except that it already has stood up as a rationale for the current image.--Cast (talk) 17:48, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, it hasn't. The poster's rationale is boilerplate. The logo's rationale actually gives a paragraph about its copyright. Will (talk) 18:31, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Really!!! we have been through this discussion on many many many pages, and are you really going to start that all over again on the talk page?!? The point is that there is A rational for the origional image that has held up through an extensive prossess and if we replace the image I am not at all convinced that someone will not game the system and pull the new image through the same prossess using other reasons for its deletion. Coffeepusher (talk) 18:37, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I give up. Will (talk) 19:05, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anonymous' Focus

I would like to propose that a list of some sort is compiled to display the various goals of Anonymous over time. This could show how Anonymous has changed from an undefined objective, to attempting to revoke the CoS tax exempt status, to the new "Operation Reconnect" Additionally, it would demonstrate how quickly Anonymous has evolved and grown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.158.199.153 (talk) 19:18, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article isn't just about the Anonymous project, "Operation Chanology." It's about Anonymous in general, and so we shouldn't just look at the work some Anons have been doing for the past three months. Anonymous has been around since 2003, with most of the mottos and the green face cartoon coming from 2004. For the majority of it's time, it hasn't been focused. I'd hardly call this a quick evolution. More like a temporary deviation.--Cast (talk) 19:39, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree with the idea of a timeline for pre-Chanology Anonymous, but sourcing is too sparse. The only event I found decent media coverage of was Chris Forcand's arrest. Ayla (talk) 19:43, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, we've got information on the origin of 4chan, the first western imageboard Anonymous called home. Anonymous now has a website where it refers to itself as a "social phenomenon" and that it originated on the chans. Now that Chanology is spreading out to non-wiki websites, we can start citing those. Here is an essay on the Anonymous imageboards written back in 2004, when Anonymous as a subculture took off, explaining what the imageboard was and what were the perceived advantages to Anonimity. Note that an addendum was added in 2006, noting concerns with the Anonymous system stemming from 2005 and 2004. This can make for a bare but useful timeline. --Cast (talk) 22:57, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I understand there is not really a good way to verify this, but- those websites and the other Chanology sites that call Anonymous generally anything along the lines of a "social movement" or a "force for good" are intentionally wrong, just to get people who believe it to do what we say (in this case, protest Cos). Kakama (talk) 13:56, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Terrorism accusations?

Scientology has accused Anonymous of planning terrorist activities or claiming they are a genuine terrorist organisation numerous times both unofficially and (I'm pretty sure) in some of the injunctions and claims they've tried to file against the group.

In fact in the "Clearwater Petition for Injunction For Protection Against Repeat Violence"* they even claimed Anonymous had stated: "A seperate personal attack on Heber Jentzsch will be launched on the 13th of March 2008 at an undisclosed time. His execution along with the deaths of other countless scientologists will strike fear into the hearts ofevery member"

Think it's worth giving it a mention somewhere in the article if only "for the lulz" as they say ;) --85.62.18.8 (talk) 03:34, 17 March 2008 (UTC) Injunction petition can be seen here: http://www.sptimes.com/2008/03/12/images/Scientologyinjunction.pdf[reply]

This probably is more related to Project Chanology. The injunctions have been discussed on the talk page there. DigitalC (talk) 03:45, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Anonymous has never been involved in any terrorist actions. Such claims are complete fabrications, as are the recent accusations of child pornography, that were most likely started and propagated by trolls or scientologists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.14.7.91 (talk) 00:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Right, there is never CP on the imageboards. DigitalC (talk) 03:03, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is the kind of problems chanology has given us... Look, fellow, do you know where Pedobear comes from? We're not joking. Also, see Jake Brahm if you want to talk about "terrorism." Finally, can I add that that one finish "natural selection" school shooter posted threats to an imageboard, and in his manifesto, reported that he was "doing it for the lulz?"Kakama (talk)


Just a note, it was overturned because they where trying to use laws that where in place to protect battered individuals. the judge said it was a ridiculous notion.
here is the link to the report, and a complete summery is found on the Project page.[2]Coffeepusher (talk) 04:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cities Included

Protests also took place in the city of Pittsburgh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.240.25.13 (talk) 18:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good source - Radar Magazine

  • "Anonymous is the catchall term for an amorphous group of online activists-slash-hackers-slash-pranksters-slash-dadaists organized loosely around two online message boards, 4chan.org and 711chan.org. Anons, as they call themselves, are steeped in the anarchic and exceptionally juvenile culture of the Internet, and function as something like online yippies. The lolcats meme, for example—a series of inexplicably funny pictures of cats with comically misspelled captions like, "I can has cheezburger?"—first emerged on the 4chan boards, and its members have claimed responsibility for a long list of feats, including taking down white nationalist websites and stealing the passwords to 72,000 MySpace pages."
Formatted cite

Cook, John (March 17, 2008). "Scientology - Cult Friction: After an embarrassing string of high-profile defection and leaked videos, Scientology is under attack from a faceless cabal of online activists. Has America's most controversial religion finally met its match?". Radar Online. Radar Magazine. Retrieved 2008-03-20. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

Same source as above, formatted w/ WP:CIT. Cirt (talk) 11:19, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To ten pound hammer

Here was my reply, before it got kept:

  • I will skip over your condescension formed into a argument against me and go to the sources: Fox 11, extremely exaggerated segment, making up some topics completely, right wing, using biased reviewers, etc. 4chan, biased towards themselves, refers to 'Anonymous' as only members of 4chan, and is not serious at all. Not to mention all the sources contradict each other in various ways. Bomblol (talk) 05:39, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I recommend you do a bit of research on your own on the subject, and then compare that to what you read in the sources cited. Bomblol is basically correct, although the article does surprisingly well given the problems with the sources. Z00r (talk) 14:14, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Masks and chans

2 things, 1: there's 4Chan, 7Chan, 711Chan, 12Chan, 2Chan. The list goes on.

2: WHERE THE HELL CAN I GET ME A ANONYMOUS MASK IN CANADA? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.159.52.196 (talk) 06:28, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Motto's

I removed the reference to Motto's in the lead. The statement made reference to several motto's being known about Anonymous, yet the reference listed made no note of this, futhermore no reference was included to mention any other motto at all. Maybe there are, mayber there are not, but it is OR to make a statement without any references to back it up and when the references included make no mention of this fact it appears to be a synthesis of material. This all tells me that it is not notable in the least, and certainly not notable for the lead. Additionally, the reference listed only stated that this was an onimous statement, not even noting that it was a motto. Also, since there appears to be no actual official organization, I find it hard to believe there is an official motto associated with them. Arzel (talk) 07:30, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Harrassment of women?

The name 'anonymous' is given in this news report. Looks like a reliable source. Thoughts?--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 19:19, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you're going to incorporate it into the article, I might suggest that you read about the BitingBeaver story first: [3]. Ayla (talk) 01:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Group?

Anonymous is not a group. Lurk moar. Groups have leaders and define membership. Anonymous does not. Groups have people who identify themselves as being part of that group, and are also recognised unanimously in the group to have membership. This is not the case with anonymous. You may be part of Anonymous without even knowing it. If you claim to be a part of anonymous, you are not truly anonymous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.2.55.229 (talk) 11:33, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this sentiment fully. ALL groups have leadership and hierarchy. Just the other day, I went to the grocery store and saw a group of apples Sieg Heil a Golden Delicious. (By the way, even if Anonymous were to be described an organization, not all organized groups have official membership or leadership either. Group is still the best term to use.)--Cast (talk) 15:37, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Look, in order to have the article we have to call Anonymous something. Group is as good a word as any. Unless you can think of a more acurate word, then stop complaining already. 86.70.151.70 (talk) 14:51, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

collective?

SciFag Raids

Fix the scifag raids section, inserting /b/reaks after each date is concluded. Makes the page look better, amirite? —Preceding unsigned comment added by CotyXD (talk • contribs) 15:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Epilepsy Foundation hack?

Wired blames Anonymous for a forum hack to inflict seizures in epileptic users, and says they planned it on 7chan.org . The article doesn't disclose any sources though. Of course if anyone can be Anonymous, to say that Anonymous did or did not do something is pretty moot.--87.162.38.103 (talk) 00:46, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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