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Focus Cities

It seems inaccurate to assume that Southwest's Top Ten Airports are considered by them to be Focus Cities and more importantly the only ones that they have since they have never used the term "Focus City" in reference to them and do not publish an official focus city list. Despite what we may be see as a defacto hub, it is not what that this company designates those airports and therefore they should not be placed in the aritcle based on that oppinion if it is to be truly accurate. However, if the list is to remain regardless, then Nashville and Denver(the only city to actually called such by the CEO in recent history/Google News Archives can vouge for this) should be there also for the reasons cited. (Edit880 (talk) 20:58, 29 April 2008 (UTC))[reply]

  • The list is simply based on daily departures, refuting everything you just said. I do find it funny how a reference published by Nashville Airport itself is used to prove it is a focus city. -- Phoenix2 21:33, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see how Rocky Mountain News serves as a source Denver is a focus city is Southwest - am I missing something? --Matt (talk) 22:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No you aren't. Those references were bogus and I have removed DEN and BNA from the list. Sox23 23:25, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Rocky Mountain News article quotes the Southwest CEO saying that Denver is a focus city and the Nashville Airport site, the other source, says straight from the airport authority on that page that they have focus city status and you have ZERO proof on the other ones because nobody says the Top Ten list are "Focus Cities." Show me an official source from Southwest or those airports that gives THEM that title. I've put BNA and DEN back on the list. Technically a hub is a city with more than 50 departures a day so many cities above and beyond Southwests top ten fit that definition but that doesn't mean that Southwest calls them that. Just because you decide that the top ten are focus cities or "de-facto hubs"(love that one) doesn't make them such. Read "The point of out route network" on the Blog Nuts About Southwest and you'll see that they explicity state that while they bigger cities called "Mega stations" by them, that they have no hubs and he doesn't mention focus cities their either. You guys are really dreaming and grasping if you list anything for Southwest in that paricular box. Also, saying that the Top Ten which you guys just copied in the list that Southwest doesn't explicitly call focus cities is only a list based on number of departures and that refutes Edit880's point is wrong because that would back it. Looks like we have almost just as much in favor of no list or list with DEN and BNA as we do for a list without either with no citations for the other cities.
Nashville used to be on the Top Ten list too ladies and gentleman and I don't see how a quote from Gary Kelly for Denver and Herb Kelleher for Nashville as a place of expansion can't legitimize this. I don't even understand why you've argued about it as much as you have. After all, it is wikipedia. Looks like DEN and BNA are focus cities whether the Wiki says so anyway becuase of the goood sources they have and and 50 something flights with connections in Denver and over 80 in Nashville with connections and there are ALOT more than just what is cited here. Also, you folks should read the entry on Nuts About Southwest that guy just mentioned despite his spelling. It says what Edit880 was trying to tell you hands down right from their route planner. Sox man should really be more worried about United going out of business in his precious Chicago and losing a hub than Nashvillians especially who used to be an American hub as is cited in one these sources. After all even this site itself isn't allowed as source in most American colleges and schools. How wasteful of time and energy. 172.129.143.184 (talk) 02:30, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I could care less about United Airlines. I would take WN anyday over UA. Chicago is the shit- it beats Nashville anyday Sox23 03:44, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nashville and Chicago are both great cities. No violence here remember! Also, Nashville is now well cited and the Nuts About Southwest blog entry by their route planner and Ben Mutzbaugh's USAToday Hub and focus city list shoot down the notion that their Top Ten List is their focus city list by separating them. 172.167.77.14 (talk) 03:50, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The top-10 list was implemented because Southwest has so many large operations that its rediculous to list all of them for focus cities, so to keep things simple, we have just listed destinations from Southwest's website's top ten chart. Sox23 03:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I think your probably right. I wish someone had posted this at the beginning or I wouldn't have put the effort into citing Nashville. I came into to this late in the game so I didn't realize that was already established and thought I was helping. I'd also like to add that despite this group's choice of Southwest I would never wish any job losses or financial demise on United and their employees. It's a tough industry. 172.167.77.14 (talk) 04:04, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
So bottom line, what are we doing about BNA & DEN? Should we just keep them since they're cited? If we do, I think this is where we draw the line - otherwise pretty soon, we're going to have about 60 of Southwest's 64 destinations in that little infobox. In regards to my comment on UAL, I was just telling the anon who thinks I am in love with United Airlines that I don't really care for United and prefer Southwest. It does not mean that I hope United goes out of business. Sox23 04:08, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say hold and draw the line and maybe with the next top ten list post it fresh. This doesn't need to be like AirTran's article where their list hit the runaway train from what's on their website a long time ago..LOL. UAL comment understood...No Problem. 172.167.77.14 (talk) 04:16, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, keep for now and when SWA updates their top ten destinations then update the infobox? And in regards to AirTran, I agree-that's a mess but I just don't feel like dealing with it. Sox23 04:28, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh God, I'll deal with AirTran. Five destinations, three of which are other hubs/focus cities, does not a focus city make. And yes, we need to draw the line somewhere on WN. Maybe, make the threshold based on daily flights? 100 daily flights = focus city? I realize that's arbitrary, but... at some point, this is all arbitrary. FCYTravis (talk)

My suggestion is to rid of ALL of the focus cities in the infobox, and keep the Top 10 list in the article text. It is just easier to cite and it isn't arbitrary as it is directly from Southwest. --Michael Greiner 20:32, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd rather have there be too many cities listed than none at all...Sox23 01:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
suggest to merge with Hubs vs Focus Cities discussion. Basically same debate(ie. What should be on the Hub/Focus City list).
How often does Southwest publish a new list of the Top Ten stations?? it seems like its been awhile. Braves99 (talk) 16:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Every four months or so. And when they do release it is usually for a month previous to that date. I would expect a new list somewhat soon. --Michael Greiner 19:08, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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