Talk:List of Grand Theft Auto IV characters

Mallorie

Her last name is wrong. It is "Bardas" in the manual, the website, AND in the actual game itself. No idea where "Ramos" comes from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.218.184.239 (talk) 10:29, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Character Deaths

It's quite the spoiler to tell readers not only that a character dies, but in what chapter, in the very beginning of their particular articles. This fucking thing ruined the game for me.

Niko's name (refactored discussion)

• Refactored from Talk:Grand Theft Auto IV/Archive 7

Where did you get "Nikolai" from? It would be "Nikola" in Yugoslavian. I haven't seen any official source say that his name is Nikolai. --nlitement ^[talk] 09:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

You're right nlitement. The Nikolai bit only seems to be on fan sites and the like, official sites and reliable magazines only ever call him Niko. - X201 (talk) 10:41, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

"Yugoslavian"? :P But yeah, seems like copying speculation. Emil Kastberg (talk) 13:18, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

0 hits for nikolai site:rockstargames.com. xenocidic (talk) 13:22, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

If that's true, flat out remove it and keep it out. ♣ Klptyzm ^{Chat wit' me § Contributions} ♣ 17:30, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I wonder what country is he from? None of the ex-Yugoslavian countries features a double L in any word, including regular surnames. If he were really from Serbia, his name would be Nikon Belić (not Niko and definitely not Bellic, nor Bellić). However, the voice acting in Niko's mother tongue (featured in trailer #3) is so bad that I can make out only the first word (it is definitely one of the ex-Yugoslavian languages) and guess what the other word means. Admiral Norton ^(talk) 17:59, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I did notice that when I did a google search for nikolai bellic it suggested "belic". anyhow. fictional universe, take it up with Rockstar ;> xenocidic (talk) 18:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I've knocked it out. No doubt the usual "but this site know everything, they talk to Rockstar" claims will arise. But something like a character name should be easily obtainable from a primary source and shouldn't need to rely on fan sites. - X201 (talk) 18:37, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

This is the source used on the Niko entry in the characters page for "Nikolai" Kikizo.com. Bill ^{(talk|contribs)} 18:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

• Consensus above is that there was no credible source as to Niko's full name. It was likely something kikizo just came up with. Until there is proper proof that his full name is "Nikolai", please stick to the facts. xenocidic (talk) 14:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd agree for now to leave it out. I've not seen anywhere else that has used Nikolai apart from Kikizo. While Kikizo is usually reliable, it's probably best to look at the majority of publications that don't mention the full name and be on the safe side. Bill ^{(talk|contribs)} 14:42, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Um, Kikizo pretty much say that the game calls him "Nikolai". That's why it was put into the article in the first place. .:Alex:. 18:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Hm, yes, Jack Thompson Goldberg calls him Nikolai. But why is the word "nikolai" completely absent from Rockstar's website? xenocidic (talk) 19:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Haven't gotten to the mission yet, but I'm guessing the reason Jack calls him "Nikolai" is because he's pretentious and just inferring that Niko is a short form. His name might not actually be Nikolai. Even his mother calls him "Niko" in emails. xenocidic (talk) 18:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I just finished the mission, and just as I suspected, he starts off the interview saying "Niko...what's that short for, Nikolai" (niko doesn't answer one way or the other) and then he goes on to call him Nikolai for the rest of the interview even though Niko never confirmed that was his name. xenocidic (talk) 23:08, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

For the same reason Tommy Vercetti isn't called Thomas on the VC website? Well actually I'm not sure about that one. But they don't have a bio of Niko on the site come to think of it. .:Alex:. 19:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Niko is not Serbian! Niko is a Roman catholic name therefore that makes him Croatian. I would know I'm from yugoslavia. And by the way the voice acting is great and I understood every word said by Niko in croatian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigwolfx (talk • contribs)

Wrong, it is already noted that he is a SERB. look at the references!

Isn't Niko short for Nikolai?

Isn't Niko short for Nikolai? In the interview with Tom Goldburg Tom asks the same question and then calls Niko "Nikolai" without any kind of correction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Secondhandsmoke (talk • contribs) 04:18, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

While I'm sure that's not his real name, I still think it should be mentioned in the Tom Goldburg section. Flare13 (talk) 04:46, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Niko's nationality

Please discuss Niko's nationality somewhere within these threads. Any new threads related to his Nationality will also be refactored under this header. xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 14:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

The game does NOT tell where Niko Bellic was born. the game does not tell that he is from serbian, bosnian or croatian origin. the game does not tell that Niko was in the bosnian war. all references from the internet which are not officially from rockstargames are useless, they prove nothing.

Duxer if you really speak croatian you should know that Niko speaks serbian in the game. at the beginning of the game when he talks to roman, roman says: it´s better than my serbian.

in the first email of Niko´s mother milica you can read: jesi li srecan u americi? what means: are you happy in america? if it would be croatian she would use the word sretan instead of srecan. this is the only sentence in all of her emails where you can recognise that her language has to be serbian.

when roman´s apartment was burned down in the game, Niko said to Roman: izvini. that means sorry. in croatian it would be the word oprosti.

and if you listen to Niko when he talks at the first two missions in the game you will hear that he speaks in ekavica. let me show to the english users what ekavica means: niko said in the game during a conversation with roman: neverovatno. this means unbelievable. in croatian it would be nevjerovatno. you see the croatians use ijekavica, the serbians ekavica. ijekavica means that in some words the letter j or ij is used. in the serbian variant those letters are not used in the same words.

other examples: croatian: mlijeko, serbian: mleko. croatian: vjetar, serbian: vetar.

ok that proves that niko bellic, his cousin and his mother speak serbian.

but it is not proven that niko is from serbia or was born in serbia. the game does not tell these informations. in the game the word balkans is mostly used for niko´s origin. there are many dialouges with the characters which prove that. in the LCPD criminal profile database niko´s and roman´s birthplaces are unknown. but you can see all birthplaces from the other characters in this database.

they often talk in the game about the war where niko took part in. it is never said if this war was in bosnia or in croatia. it is never said who where niko´s enemies in this war. it was never said on which side niko fought in the war. we all know that niko has to be from bosnia, serbia or croatia. but there is no reference officially from rockstargames where he really comes from. we can only say that he is from the balkans or we can say that he is from former yugoslavia. and please croatian and serbian nationalists stop editing the article without any officially references. Dave Galesh (talk) 14:39, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Niko Bellic was born in Croatia

Hello! I would just like to report that it was confiermd by Rockstargames that Niko Bellic was born in Croatia. They also speek CROATIAN in game. Here is the link: http://kezins.com/2008/05/09/behind-the-game-niko-bellic-before-gta-iv/ Duxer (talk) 21:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Duxer

Doesn't meet Wikipedia's criteria for reliable sources. xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 21:35, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

It was not confirmed that he was born in Serbia and there is no source about it at all. Only speculations.Duxer (talk) 22:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Duxer

Niko is a Serbian

Hi, as I can see there was some arguing about Niko's nationality. I first he was Russian but then I found that on many places it is said that he is a Serbian.

Here are some links to be added by someone that can edit. Please add them so there is less confusion. Thanks

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24356918/

In this site it is said <Niko Bellic, a merchant mariner and Serbian vet of the Bosnian civil war, arrives in Liberty City aboard a freighter ship.>

http://kotaku.com/384421/grand-theft-auto-iv-review-life-liberty-city-and-the-pursuit-of-happiness

<In it, damaged goods Serbian war vet Niko Bellic ventures to Liberty City in search of closure, all the while coming to terms with the harsh realities of The American Dream.>

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology/gamezone/2008/04/29/grand-theft-auto-iv-89520-20399274/

<This time around you take the role of former soldier Niko Bellic, a Serbian immigrant who is lured into Liberty City's underworld by his shady cousin Roman, falsely promising wealth and women.>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/apr/29/grandtheftauto?gusrc=rss&feed=technology

<Lead character Niko Bellic is a Serbian national with a violent military past who arrives in Liberty City via a rusted container ship.>

I suspect he is more Croatian than Serbian. Both were involved in the Bosnian war, but Niko is a common Croatian name. Bellic means "Warlike" in latin, so its more likely in a country with an influence from Rome. This fits well with the Croatian theory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.112.144.129 (talk) 00:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

On the contrary I suspect that he is more Serbian than Croatian. Belic would come from the slavic word belo meaning white. Also Niko could be short for Nikola. In Serbia almost everyone goes by a shortened name, especially in familiar relationships. Also in the introduction he says "Zdravo Burazeru" which would translate to "Hello (or greetings) Brother" in serbo-croatian, and I believe this term is more commonly used in Serbia rather that Croatia. Although all this information would equally suggest origin from any ex-yugoslavian country, I am told that he mentions Serbian and is referred to as a Serb throughout the game. This information would conclude this discussion, however, it is yet to be cited. Mstank (talk) 08:10, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Within the first couple of hours Niko does say a few phrases in Serbo-Croatian ("Zdravo burazeru", "kaži mi da da" - second mission, and a few more). The opening "burazeru" phrase is Serbian, that word is not used in Croatia, so to me Niko comes across as Serbian. 67.160.46.248 (talk) 08:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, he's Serbian (see [1] and [2]. I've updated the section. Neıl ☎ 10:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Either Rockstar people intentionally wanted to make Niko a mix of nationality, or they just didn't care and ended up confusing everyone. Niko's mother is Milica, which makes her 100% Serbian, in addition to using a word 'srecan' which Croats generally don't use. OTOH, Niko's cousin's name Roman sounds more Croatian than Serbian, but that name is very rare in that part of the world anyway. Then, Niko fought together with a guy called Florian. To find a guy named Florian in any of the Serbian military or paramilitary forces is as likely as to find Jacob Goldberg in the Gestapo Central Command. That just doesn't happen. The only consistent background story I could come up with all that being said is that Niko is from an ethnically mixed family, his father being Croatian and his mother Serbian, and he ended up fighting for the Croatian side. That would make his character even more complex because he ended up fighting in a war where he doesn't really belong to either side. 192.91.75.29 (talk) 02:22, 23 May 2008 (UTC) sascha

Niko is Serbian

I think, Niko is a serb. I have found two references. They show that Niko is a serb [3] and [4]. Sorry, the references are in the German language. This is because I live in Switzerland and I am a serb too. In the first reference stand, that he is serb and he has fought in the Yugoslav wars. In the second reference stand, that he is serb. I can find some references to show, that Niko is a serbian, but I think two references are enough to show that he is serb. Niko could be short for Nikola and in the introduction he says "Zdravo Burazeru" which would translate to "Hello Brother" in serbian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.226.64.229 (talk) 18:34, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

And if the email his mother sent to him still doesn't convince someone.. ugh. --nlitement ^[talk] 12:51, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Which email are you talking about nlitement? I went over all the emails from Niko's mom and didn't see any mention of Serbia. xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 23:18, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Enough references of his origin??

Some links showing Niko is a Serbian:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24356918/ "Niko Bellic, a merchant mariner and Serbian vet of the Bosnian civil war"

http://kotaku.com/384421/grand-theft-auto-iv-review-life-liberty-city-and-the-pursuit-of-happiness "In it, damaged goods Serbian war vet Niko Bellic ventures to Liberty City in search of closure"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology/gamezone/2008/04/29/grand-theft-auto-iv-89520-20399274/ "This time around you take the role of former soldier Niko Bellic, a Serbian immigrant who is lured into Liberty City's underworld"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/apr/29/grandtheftauto?gusrc=rss&feed=technology "Lead character Niko Bellic is a Serbian national with a violent military past who arrives in Liberty City via a rusted container ship."

http://www.gamekult.com/tout/jeux/fiches/J000074918_test.html "clandestin serbe" In French

http://www.actiontrip.com/reviews/360/grandtheftautoiv.phtml?2656 "immigrant (evidently Serbian)"

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080429/gta_iv_080429/20080429?hub=World "The game tells the story of Niko Bellic, an immigrant from Serbia who comes to Liberty City (a stand-in for New York)"

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2008/04/29/0329grandtheftauto.html "This installment features shadowy Serbian War veteran Niko Bellic"

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-rutten30apr30,0,5577860.column "In this case, the story of a former Serbian militiaman"

http://dcist.com/2008/04/29/gamers_line_for.php "follows a Serbian immigrant"

http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/Content?oid=764682&category=33187 "a Serbian immigrant hungry for a slice of the American Dream"

http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/article/421141 "Niko Bellic, less than two days off the boat from Serbia, is going on his first American date."

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=559596 "— Niko Bellic — a Serbian who fought in the Balkan conflict as a teenager"

http://www.gameindustry.com/review/item.asp?id=959 "Being a Serbian immigrant, he arrives by boat to Liberty City to meet up with his cousin, Roman"

http://www.wired.com/gaming/gamingreviews/commentary/games/2008/05/gamesfrontiers_0502 "In GTA IV you play as Niko Bellic, a just-off-the-boat Serbian immigrant who is scarred by his experience in the Balkan wars."

http://www.hartfordadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=7713 "A Serbian war veteran"

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-rutten30apr30,0,5577860.column "In this case, the story of a former Serbian militiaman"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1924976/Just-a-game-Or-a-danger-to-young-minds.html "game in which a Serbian soldier called Niko Bellic arrives in Liberty City"

http://blog.play3-live.com/ratch/post/2008/05/06/Test-GTA-IV "se cache un Serbe qui a fait la guerre" and "notre Serbe"

http://www.xbox-360.fr/articles/visutest-xbox360__149__grand-theft-auto-iv__.html "Niko Bellic, réfugié serbe

--As for the pigeons... Why they did not put the HIDDEN PACKAGES and put PIGEONS is might be because as Niko is a Serbian and he hates Albanians which are represented as pigeons in Serbia. So he kills them....

--The language spoken in the game is SERBIAN

--http://www.photorola.net/uploads/2cf46a73a6.jpg "Actual footage in the game of Roman saying Serbian (language)"

---he receive from his mother is written in Ekavski (Serbian)

Niko is from the balkans or former yugoslavia

[quote]He says "Zdravo Burazeru" which means "Hi, brother" when he talks with Roman, also when asked if he has forgotten their language, he says his language is "Serbian". When you talk with the hitman Eddie, Eddie asks "Where are you from? Balkans, Bosnia, Serb?" Niko replies: "You're a smart guy". His mother Milica (Serb name) sends emails in the Serbian language. MSNBC: "Niko is a Serbian veteran in the Bosnian war" BradyGames: "Niko is a Serb immigrant". Rockstar Games: "He is NOT Russian", In Game: "Im not Russian", "My language is Serb" Roman is called SERB by his friends. He has feuds with the Albanians, because of the Kosovo War. -User:Nexm0d[/quote]

Thats not correct. eddie asks: where is your accent from? romania? bulgaria? balkans? and niko answers: you´re a smart guy. roman has never been called a serb. he has been called a serf by vlad. play the game with subtitles. and roman had problems with the albanians because of his debts. kosovo war has nothing to do with this. in the game it is never said that niko is from serbia. they allways say that he is slavic or from the balkans. sometimes they say mediterranian guy. and he was in the war. so he can be from serbia, croatia and bosnia. you see people they don´t tell it in the game. but niko is still speaking serbian, not croatian. but he has to speak in one of those languages, that doesn´t mean that he is from serbia. if he would speak pure croatian that wouldn´t mean that he has to be from croatia. they let it open from which of these countries he really is. it would be only correct if you say that niko is from the balkans or from former yugoslavia. it is never said in which war he was, in the bosnian or in the croatian war. this has to be changed. it is wrong to look at news on the internet to prove where he is from. you can only find that out by playing the game. and the game don´t want to tell it. rockstars also never said it officially. so let him be what he is, from the balkans or former yugoslavia. talking about croatia, serbia or bosnia alone is wrong. and it should be said that he was in the yugoslavian war, because we don´t know if he was in bosnia or in croatia in the war. we only know trough the game that the war was in the balkans from 1991 to 1995. Dave Galesh (talk) 19:03, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Despite this, you don't have a reference, unlike the above section, which means the game probably identifies him as serbian. Flare13 (talk) 04:46, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Niko Bellic

in the LCPD criminal prifle database you can see the birthplace from all characters in the game. but niko´s and roman´s birthplaces are still unknown.

packie asks niko during a dialouge: have you still contact to people back there in... whatever? and niko answers him, but he does not say where he comes from. it is never said in the game where he really comes from.

through the game you even know that niko´s friend hossan is from egypt. they would tell it also if niko is from serbia, but they don´t. change this fact. niko is from the balkans or former yugoslavia.

and we don´t know that he was in the bosnian war, he could also be in the croatian war. you have to write that he was in the balkan war or yugoslavian war.

the language he speaks in the game is serbian, that´s correct. so you can only say that he is from the balkans, probably serbia. but to say that it is a fact that he is from serbia and was in the bosnian war is not correct. the game does not tell us this. Dave Galesh (talk) 12:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

But references do, and until you can find one that agrees with you, this information is unsuitable. Games do not always agree with facts, just the information submitted. Flare13 (talk) 17:52, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

usually in references like those there are many uncorrect facts. only the game can tell us where niko is from. or rockstars can tell it. all other sources can´t prove anything.

let us look at this article about toni cipriani here on wikipedia:

Antonio "Toni" Cipriani is a fictional character in the Grand Theft Auto video game series. He appeared in Grand Theft Auto III (GTA III) as a non-player character, and the playable protagonist of Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories (GTA: LCS). Toni is the Caporegime of the Leone family of the Liberty City Mafia, working directly for Don Salvatore Leone. Toni lives in Liberty City, and has a mother, Momma Cipriani (known also as Ma Cipriani in GTA: LCS). Toni's complete first name, Antonio, was not suggested until GTA:LCS. Toni is also called Anthony on some occasions. His mother is from Florence (mentioned in GTA III) and his father is Sicilian-American (mentioned in GTA: LCS.).

all facts about his origin were mentioned in the game. so we don´t need to discus about that.

now the article about niko bellic:

Niko Bellic is a fictional character in the Grand Theft Auto video game series. He is the main protagonist and playable character of Grand Theft Auto IV. He is 30-years old, between 5’11” and 6’2” (1,80-1,88 m) and is 190-200 lbs (86-90 kg), of Croatian origin.(mentioned nowhere in any GTA game)[4]

Niko grew up in war-torn Yugoslavia [5]. Niko's father was a bully who never believed in him, but his mother was very caring and felt sad that a decent person like Niko had to grow up in such a harsh place. Niko fought in the Bosnian War on the Serbian side(mentioned nowhere in any GTA game)[5] as an "angry" teenager. He witnessed and committed numerous atrocities which deeply affected him, giving him a cynical view on life and serious feelings of regret and depression as he got older. A defining moment in the war for Niko was when his army unit of fifteen young men (including him) were ambushed by the enemy. Niko barely escaped with his life, but most of his friends were killed - he later discovered that two others also survived. Realizing that one of them tipped the enemy off to their location, Niko vowed to track down the culprit, not solely on revenge, but because he needed closure and that doing so would put his demons to rest.

someone changed the serbian origin now to croatian origin. both are wrong.

and about niko´s name, his name is not nikolai. and niko is not a shortcut for any other name. on many parts of the game some characters call him russian. mr. goldburg also thought that he was russian and because of that he called him nikolai.

i saw on the article of nikos mother that she send him emails in croatian language. thats wrong. the language was serbian. she wrote: jesi li srecan u americi etc. croatian would be: jesi li sretan u americi etc.

the only difference is the word srecan/sretan what means happy. and niko himself speaks serbian in the game. it was also mentioned by the game itself that he speaks serbian. Dave Galesh (talk) 23:09, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Case closed - "Eastern European" (unspecified) - from the horses mouth

Sam Houser , actually, EGM, March 2008( I believe) see page 46,

“ As executive producer of the series, he's got a lot to say about GTA4, of course--about ... its main character of unspecific Eastern European ethnicity... ”

and later , page 47

“ This immigrant from Eastern Europe, hardened from the conflicts there, has been lured to America by his cousin... ”

and finally, page 54

“ GTA3 had a main character with no name. GTA4's main character is a man with no country. Liberty City's residents label Niko with slanderous titles like "that Polack" or "that Slavic drug dealer." He just smirks or offers a noncomittal grunt. "He's from that gray part of broken-down Eastern Europe, a war-torn area," says Houser. "[He's] a guy like you and me who just did what he had to do to fend for himself. ”

.

Can we put this one to rest, and call him Eastern European? xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 16:56, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

stop changing Niko's nationality!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, what is this childish game of changing his nationality over and over!!!? He is Serbian and just someone LOCK THAT so it can't be changed.

Go here :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBeLhkKqZPg

You have MORE THEN ENOUGH sources, even a picture from the game and at the end, Michael Hollick (!!!THE GUY THAT WORK FOR ROCKSTARS DOING NIKO'S VOICE!!!) talks on the radio and says Serbian, then you hear: "Thats how he talks, he is From Serbia"

Stop changing it people! And no, I am not from Serbia if some of you think thats why I want it changed! I am Canadian! So people we know some of you had wars in the Balkans but damn, stop being so stubborn and leave Niko's nationality to SERBIAN!!!

""All of the words are pure Croatian words except "srecan" which means "happy" "" Guy, ALL those words are pure Serbian (ITS THE SAME AS CROATIAN ONLY SOME WORDS ARE CHANGED, like in this case you mean "srecan" therefore the email can be seen as 80% Croatian but 100% Serbian so its SERBIAN. And as I can see on the internet, Milica is a common Serbian name.

"Nadam se dasi srecan u Americi" the email ---> "I hope you are happy in America"

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sorny111 (talk • contribs) 20:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Please refer to the consensus/compromised already reached. According to Sam Houser, Niko's nationality is intentionally grey. xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 20:20, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Where can I found the "Sam Houser , actually, EGM, March 2008( I believe) see page 46," ???

Correct. There's scan available on the interwebz, though I shalln't link them here for obvious reasons. xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 20:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Whats interwebz? Why can't you put a link to the site where that is said? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sorny111 (talk • contribs) 02:49, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Copyright violations and whatnot. ♣ Klptyzm ^{Chat wit' me § Contributions} ♣ 04:28, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Here's another link to the radio interview with Michael Hollick: [5] (The guy who did Niko's voice and mo-cap). He clearly states that Niko is Serbian. Case closed.

Michael only mentions - "When they asked for a Serbian dialect..." ...that's IT! - Thats all he himself, says!

Later on, after a Niko Bellic 'impression' from Michael, The interviewer... (After realizing Niko speaks some Serbian, he assumes he is from Serbia.)... says -

"Hahahaha... that's how he would say it, He's from Serbia, haha" (quickly after a long laugh)...

Although Michael NEVER confirms this. He's too busy laughing. He never actually goes into his full flooded ethnicity or gets a chance to say "He is from Serbia" or "He isn't from Serbia, he just uses the dialect as his main language."

(Bosnia & Croatia has Serbian as one of their main languages.)

HE NEVER SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT HIS ETHNICITY. So how is it case closed?????

Anyone who listens to the WHOLE thing, or at least until 22:00 in when Michael leaves, will realize this. Klptyzm, for shame.

Someone needs to change it back to Eastern European or Balkan ethnicity, as this is not valid evidence of anything. Sam Houser's word deserves the most precedence as of yet. Jas315 (talk) 14:44, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

All this can be solved by just attributing the claims to the sources. If Houser said "Eastern European", put "Houser described Bellic as Eastern European" in the article. If Seth Schiesel of The New York Times said "Serbian"[6], put "Seth Schiesel of The New York Times described Bellic as Serbian." Or you could write "Various sources have describe the character as Eastern European[1][2][3], with some sources describing the character as Serbian[1][2][3]." That's it. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. You don't have keep arguing over whether Bellic is *truly* Serbian or not, you just have to repeat what's already been published. --Pixelface (talk) 16:09, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

spoilers

I just wanted to read on a few characters' backstories but it immediately tells you if and when they die. Could there at least be a spoiler alert? (talk) 17:51, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not censored and doesn't do spoiler warnings anymore, sorry. It must be said that reading the sections will mention their deaths anyway... .:Alex:.

Really a necessity to list when a character dies?

Really a necessity to list when a character dies? Jesus I just wanted to check up on someone and just found out that another character dies. That info is totally not necessary here. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:26, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Fact of the matter is - if you don't want things spoiled, stay far away from WP until you're through the story. xenocidic (talk) 20:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

You suggest we should play the whole game through and miss some important information about the characters ? Think about the non-native english speakers, you can't follow every dialog, even with subtitles on. It's nice to have a (free) guide speaking of character's history to refer to... I could of course buy the 15€ paper guide which will have the same use... Without the spoilers (or well-placed). 82.66.141.234 (talk) 10:38, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately you'll have to do just that, or perhaps visit a gaming wikia. WP:NOT#GUIDE. xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 23:20, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I think it's okay to put when they die and when they are introduced but every detail about what they do in the game. How about just a summary about their personality and history. That would be much more suitable. There are alot of people on the internet that are complaining about this site and it's GTA IV spoilers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.96.86.112 (talk) 22:22, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

The significance of the name Bellic

The name Bellic is defined by

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Bellic

as: Of or pertaining to war; warlike; martial.

This fits very well into the character's history, making it notable. Many other names are significant - Faustin being linked to 'Faust', the path of Faust. Again, this is something that is mirrored in the choices Mr. Faustin makes. Perhaps we could add this information in? 64.252.165.155 (talk) 02:54, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

possible additions of Bobby Jefferson, Julio Ochoa (spoilers)

As he is a fairly important minor character later in the game, Bobby Jefferson should warrant consideration of an entry. As a reminder, he is an associate of Gravelli who is in town to give a speech about the dangers of the Russian mafia. Niko must protect him when his convoy is attacked. As is heard by a radio news brief sometime after the mission, this speech (which also lauded the efforts of other hard-working immigrants such as Niko) also prompts Mayor Julio Ochoa to pay more attention to the Russians, possibly foreshadowing a shift in power with a reduced Russian presence in future games taking place in Liberty City. Ochoa, though unseen, plays more of a role than many already listed. Youngblood0000 (talk) 10:10, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Significance of Dimitri Rascalov's name

in GTA IV It seems to me that the name Dimitri Rascalov (and perhaps to a far lesser extent the character himself) is a reference to the character Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov, the protagonist in Russian author Fyodor Dostoevsky's novel Crime and Punishment. Besides the obvious similarity in last name and the fact that the mission in which Dimitri Rascolov is first introduced is titled "Crime and Punishment," the character Raskolnikov is a poor former student who commits a murder and ends up trying to hide the fact from his friends, family and the authorities. Additionally, Dimitri somewhat resembles Raskolnikov as he is described in the novel, as he is tall, fair of build and has brownish-blond hair, although he is never mentioned as wearing glasses.

However, all of these similarities are irrelevant if no one thinks that the references to Raskolnikov are worth mentioning in the article. So, what do you think? --Bionic Pants (talk) 23:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

U.L Paper's agency

U.L Paper is a CIA agent. You can see a Certificate of Excellence with the CIA seal on the wall behind and to the right of him in the intro cutscene of Wrong Is Right.

75.38.40.209 (talk) 19:32, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

The face of Niko Bellic?

Hey, watch this video, particuarly at 3:37, the Thug for the Russian Mafia looks suprisingly like Niko Bellic, notice the big nose, :D , [7], he's the one in the grey tracksuit top BTW... --Hexhunter (talk) 21:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Giving Niko his own page

if we did it for all the other protagonst, why not for Niko? --SoldierOfColbert (talk) 04:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Mike and Joey

I'm pretty sure there's nothing out there confirming any of these characters, including their involvement with other known characters.

True but then again there is a chance they will be in there! Joey might make a return as Don of the Leones! But this is purely Speculation--Manny Ribera 14:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Characters dead?

Can Iget some proof the graffiti saying some characters are dead, besides the quote? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.60.51.250 (talk) 21:25, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

One survivor...

In the line "There are virtually no characters from the previous games in GTA 4" there is one exception to this Lazlow who was in all the games after GTA 2 is the guy from ZiT and has a radio show.

Roman's Mother (Niko's Aunt)

According to the dialogue with Kate Mcreary when on dates, she was a good women who raised Niko with Roman when his mother couldn't. Roman's mom sent him to America to escape the war, but Niko stayed because he wanted to fight. She is raped and murdered during the war, although Roman thinks she died in a housefire. Don't you think this should be cited somewhere in the article? Flare13 (talk) 04:46, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

way to go on adding another spoiler

---

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.96.86.112 (talk) 22:24, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Well this article is based on spoilers you know. Flare13 (talk) 23:54, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Well Niko's Aunt is not a chracter in the game so forget about your hopes of getting her in the article. Now go post some spoilers on youtube while your at it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.96.86.112 (talk) 19:55, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't attempt to attack me. I'm just stating a fact. I don't even mean in her own section, maybe Roman's. Also, just to point out, Roman's mom is a character (although you are unable to interact with her) Flare13 (talk) 20:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Roman Bellic

He's 31 by the way... You can find out people's ages by going on the in game LCPD database on the internet. Also I don't think the American Dream should have quotation marks. Meaty♠Weenies (talk) 21:07, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Major/Supporting/Minor Characters

Can anyone explain why certain characters are listed in the sections they are currently in? For example, why is Brucie considered a 'major' character when, from what I remember, none of his missions were related to the storyline? Was there a guide or list somewhere that split them up like this? Some of these characters could definitely be moved around, I think. 12.5.52.170 (talk) 19:30, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Milica Bellic

She writes e-mails to Niko on Croatian language. All of the words are pure Croatian words except "srecan" which means "happy" and is used in eastern parts of Croatia and in Serbia.Duxer (talk) 22:29, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Duxer

No, even Roman at the beginning says it's serbian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flare13 (talk • contribs) 00:11, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I think I can understand my own language. Roman dose not have anything to do with Niko's mother. She writes e-mails to Niko on Croatian language.Duxer (talk) 11:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)Duxer

Goldberg/Thompson

The article currently reads that Tom Goldberg may be a parody of Jack Thompson. Can anyone explain why this is here? The character has no physical resemblance to Thompson, is portrayed as a liberal humanitarian, and is shown in an extremely positive light throughout the game. None of the news reports about Golberg or his death mention any of the subjects traditionally related to Jack Thompson, such as video game and media violence. Other than the fact that the character and Thompson are both Lawyers, I don't see any relation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cas013500 (talk • contribs) 17:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Probably his line when you pull a gun where he says something along the lines of... "hey, i agree, guns don't kill people, video games do!" (this was well-covered in the previews). xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 17:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Lola proof

I haven't seen this picture of Lola being picked up by the player. has anyone else? it's unsourced information.

Flare13 (talk) 00:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)