Talk:My Chemical Romance

Vandalism of Three Cheers For Sweet Revenge Page

On the Three Cheers For Sweet Revenge Page some moron completely ruined it. I fixed up some of it but i don't have time to fix all of it, can someone finish cleaning up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akira112 (talk • contribs) 08:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

what do you mean? it seems normal to meAwqaw123123 (talk) 08:09, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

TRL Award

The band won the "Best Band Award" at the 2007 Italian TRL Awards. Add this information in the list. --81.208.83.241 (talk) 19:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

New singles

Two singles have been added in the begining of the article, but it has no references. How do we know it's true? --Moraleh 18:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

We don't..I'm going to remove that.BlackMasks&Gasoline (talk) 00:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

In a few interviews on YouTube with Gerard Way and the rest of My Chemical Romance - they said that after the tour in the USA, they're going to be starting to write and record a new album. YAY!♥ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.183.16 (talk) 20:18, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Please try to stay relevant. Zazaban (talk) 20:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I hope i'm allowed to swear on this forum page. If not, oh well. THAT IS RELEVANT, ASSHOLE.

Got links? That would be helpful. We can assess whether or not it's genuine and note it in the article if appropriate. --rm 'w avu 21:16, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

No, sorry. I don't have any links. Just go on YouTube and search "MCR interviews" or "Gerard Way Interviews". You'll come accross at least one or two interviews of MCR theselves saying about a new album after their tour in the USA. Oh, I think it's on their site too. Maybe not though. Check it out. - ♥

In recent concerts, Gerard announced the third album's tentative title to be "Die. Slow.", should we put this in the article? Much like "The Rise and Fall of My Chemical Romance" it is likely not the final title.66.57.20.114 (talk) 23:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

My Chemical Romance already have three albums out - #1: I Brought You My Bullets, You Brought Me Your Love. #2: Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge. & #3: The Black Parade. It will be their fourth album coming, just to let you know. (L):)

No, not even close to enough information yet. Some have suggested that this is a reference to the Panic at the Disco album Pretty. Odd. and is just making fun of them and has nothing to do with an actual title for a new album. They have stated that they won't have plans to release an album for another year at least, it's too early to say anythimg solid yet.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 00:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, if anything we should include it since Gerard himself said it himself.I mean, an alleged title from the band themselves, who haven't commented on it since, could be important unless they talk about it soon. Oh and if they're playing new songs it's hard to believe that the new album's a year or more away. By then they'll have played every song on the album. 66.57.20.114 (talk) 10:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

In a recent interview with Ray in Big Cheese magazine he said that the new songs may not even make the new album. They are just new songs to play. After this tour in the U.S. they will be going on a break for 6 months to a year and then they will begin working on a new album. That is why I say not to add anything. It's too early to start speculating. Not enough solid information.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 20:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Well if the new songs aren't released shouldn't they be released in the Live format much like Bury Me in Black? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.57.20.114 (talk) 00:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not reallly into that song. I really like MCR (especially The Black Parade + Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge). And I know that song is off of Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge, I just don't like it.. Loud and noisy. MCR can do bettter. Like, You Know What They Do To Guys Like Us In Prison. Favourite song ever. Love it to pieces. Aha, I know it's not relevant but I love talking about MCR. PS - happpy biirthdaay Geeeraard. ♥ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.175.30 (talk) 22:59, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

If Gerard's joke title for the album can't be included why is his western joke (which is much more blatant and an intro for Hang Em High) allowed66.57.20.114 (talk) 15:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure I know what you're referring to. I can't find that in this article.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 00:00, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

there are 2 new songs by MCR. they are fan named "The World Is Ugly" and "Stay". look them up on youtube if you dont believe me. they were both played in Hong Kong.

Youtube isn't a reliable source. Riverpeopleinvasion (talk) 20:34, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

But it's obviously true. Much mcr fans know that song, and alot have listened it live. --Moraleh (talk) 04:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

someone said that "stay" is actually called "death wish"...is this true? if so can you change it plz Awqaw123123 (talk) 08:08, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I think it is, read here. Anyway, we're gonna wait until we can watch it on the next DVD. --Moraleh (talk) 01:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Where has everything gone?!

Helllo People! Where has all the discussions and goood arguments gone? What's up with that, now?!

This is not the place for "discussions" and "arguments." That's what a forum is for. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia for information, and these talk pages are for discussing how to edit the material on the pages of the encyclopedia and how accurate they are.Stjimmy61892 12:15, 26 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stjimmy61892 (talk • contribs)

This is random, but I don't know where else to stick it in: Could someone please change the part about the Black Parade is Dead! release date? It didn't come out on April 22, but no one has changed/removed the date yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.93.136.62 (talk) 17:27, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Talking about emo

It's OK that Wikipedia think talking about if MCR is emo or not isn't appropiate, but I think there should be an explanation about the reasons, so every people can know why MCR isn't emo or why Wikipedia think they aren't. (I know MCR theyself say they aren't emo, but I think there should be a more elaborated argument) --Moraleh 02:52, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately that is the only arguement as most verifiable sources call them that. --neonwhite user page talk 23:47, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, if that's all, I think we should delete the warni... oh! it's already deleted... =) --Moraleh (talk) 02:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Unless it was decided by an arbitration commitee then i don't think it can stand as it was in violation of WP:CCC policy. --neonwhite user page talk 12:45, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to bring up the usual argument for the 'not-emo' side, but anyway, I think that a band's genre can only truly be defined by them. I mean, everyone else throwing genres at them isn't the same as the band themselves saying it because only the band knows the genre and overall effect that they were aiming for. I think that because MCR is the band making the music, they have the right to determine what they should be classified as better than any critic. For that reason, I argue that MCR is not emo.

Oh, and another thing - if my argument is not good enough and the genre of 'emo' remains, I also suggest that it be changed to emo-rock because "emo" music is usually more towards the soft, less violent side, musically speaking. I'm no expert; that's just my perception, but I don't think MCR is "emo". As a compromise, perhaps "gothic rock"?

The bands genre can only be decided by verifiable sources and not personal opinion, this is wikipedia policy. There is no such thing as emo-rock and they certainly have never been called gothic rock in any sources that has been provided. --neonwhite user page talk 16:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Only proffesional critics can truly say what they are. MCR is a band, not a group of experts about music in general. --Moraleh (talk) 03:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

How does one become a professional critic? :p

In response to the comment above - there's no fucking way MCR is gothic rock, even if they would like to be known as such. Also, I'm pretty sure most emos would venture to say that emo is in fact a musical genre. When does the interpretation of many cease to be opinion and become verifiable fact? (At this point I think it's pretty much common knowledge among those that are not fans that MCR is an emo band) †Sƒ (talk) 17:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually some of theyr lyrics can be considerated "gothic" and they have influences of bands such as The Cure that is gothic rock, some songs do have a gothic rock sound. The solo of "To the End" it's an example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.248.40.19 (talk) 16:00, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Where's everything?!

Look in the Archive box --Moraleh (talk) 20:32, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Some Lockage Is Needed, Methinks

Guys, this REALLY needs to be locked Titan50 (talk) 12:04, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Screamo

I was told that before they went mainstream, MCR were a "screamo band". My friend, who apparently owns all of their albums, gave me this piece of information after jokingly stating "Screamo to emo!". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.37.23 (talk) 01:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC) they were a post-hardcore band Titan50 (talk) 11:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I think the best classification for there original sound prior to signing with Warner would probably be simply indie rock. --neonwhite user page talk 13:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

get this section out of here. MCR's not screamo! EVER —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.36.217.129 (talk) 19:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Proposed genres for the infobox

This needs looking at as it's completely irregular and doesn't comply with the manual of style or policy. The list should be of genre's that they have been called in verifiable sources, as far as i can see there is no cited dispute so the infobox contains original research by editors. So i propose that well sourced genres should be add : -

Pop punk based on [1] Emo based on [2][3]

feel free to add some more but i think it's best limited to four or five. In the end it needs simply to relate what the verified sources say and ignore personal opinion to comply with WP:V, WP:NPOV and WP:OR --neonwhite user page talk 23:52, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Pop punk.

This genre sums MCR up perfectly, Plus it ends all this "Emo" "Alternative" "Hardcore" nonsense

It's already been done on FOB's page so why not here?

They are a Pop band after all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.10.200.3 (talk) 16:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

They are not pop. Lets jus keep it where it is. Mr. Green^{Hit Me Up}Userboxes 18:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't they describe themselves as "Vile and dangerous POP"? Plus the fact they play pop music.

- Um they are pop, I'm afraid; generic song structure and simple chord progressions, coupled with the fact they are quite frequently played on the radio (as pop is a mere reference to popular music). In any case I think the citation to the website describing them as 'post-hardcore' should be removed. The website is vague in nature and seems to have just listed genres at any whim. Anyone who knows anything about the genre of post-hardcore knows that MCR certainly aren't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.84.150.162 (talk) 19:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

In an interview by NME, Gerard Way states that they are not emo, they are "violent and aggressive pop." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebluekazoo (talk • contribs) 00:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Is this page biased?

It seems like it is written entirely by obsessive fans or "Haters". Plus loads of people in the discussion section, seem to professes to being massive fans...

I think teenage girls and angry metalheads, should leave the editing to non-biased people like myself.

Plus "Alternative rock" is suited to not dealing with the style of music MCR play. The whole genre thing should be left to people who have knowledge on the subject, not Obsessive fans.

1 vote for "Pop Punk" here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.10.200.3 (talk) 16:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Err, I don't think they sound like Fall Out Boy/All Time Low. 99.162.100.253 (talk) 01:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I dont have any real problems with the POV of the page perhaps you can state some parts you feel are a problem and the genre thing should be left to verifiable sources. I too disagree with 'Alternative rock', there is no citation for it. --neonwhite user page talk 01:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree that you should include here what you think may be biased and we can look at it. There also is no original research here on Wikipedia. Saying you have knowledge of the subject isn't good enough to be able to include something in an article. There needs to be sources. I have went through the sources already provided in the genre section and have found allmusic lists them as alternative rock. There is also a definition of the genre provided on the website here.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 01:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Allmusic has never been considered the most reliable source for this kind of thing and it does contradict their description. 'they are all tied together since they existed outside of the mainstream' doesnt desribe this band' The amount of sources available and their chart success suggests a mainstream band. --neonwhite user page talk 02:29, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

It says "they existed outside of the mainstream". They weren't always mainstream. Their first album was independent and pretty underground.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 03:24, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

That is true. --neonwhite user page talk 16:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

"Stay" song

The real name is "Death Wish", it appears in the tracklist, in the official page. This title is different from "Deathwish", wich is the short form for another song.

They said that Hoboken concert will appear completely (look at Big Cheese interview or in their official page), and they played "Stay" right in the moment it was set to play a song called "Death wish". Believe me --Moraleh (talk) 22:13, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk here. --Moraleh (talk) 05:17, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Criticism

I think that a large amount of information contained in the "criticism" section is unnecessary. I dont think its needed, as its more of speculation rather than factual information.--SilverOrion (talk) 12:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Please provide some examples and then it can be discussed if it should be removed or not.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 23:48, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Stop changing the genres to personal opinions

Against the rules, dude. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blaze7755 (talk • contribs) 14:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC) The march had far fewer people, i was there and there were at most 80 people and only about 20-25 after a few hours because of sabotage by /b/ and them lot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.108.214 (talk) 12:53, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Absolutepunk.net

Is that page a valid source? I mean, can we trust in what they say? --Moraleh (talk) 23:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

In all my experience with the website they are generally the first to release information and in my experience it has been right. They were the first source we had to say the title for the new DVD was The Black Parade is Dead! and that it is 2 DVDs and a CD. It also had which shows were filmed for the DVD. They also had information about The Black Parade before it came out. I believe they have connections to the label or the bands themselves. I'm pretty sure the information comes somewhere close to the band but I don't use the website regularily and a quick skim through the website and related Wikipedia article didn't show much results. It has been used in the past and from what I have seen the only things that fluctuate are the release dates which can always be pushed back.  Orfen  ^T • _C 00:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks. They said MCR was going to release two new sigles, and if someone want to add that to the article, look at here --Moraleh (talk) 22:34, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Well that page is from last year and the last single they released was in July 2007. I think its a bit outdated since they are talking about a new album and stuff...If ya know what i mean. Thanks Riverpeopleinvasion (talk) 22:41, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I also believe that was in reference to the "Mama" single which was rumored to be one of them but since the time has come and gone I'd disregard it. I believe there are other articles on other websites saying that "Mama" was to be a single and that Gerard was to direct the video but it must have not gotten past planning. I know Billboard.com still has the single listed that it has released in November.  Orfen  ^T • _C 23:56, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Emo, emo

Well, if someones think they are emo, well, it could be, and we have sources, but we don't need to fill the Background information box with too many sources. I'm gonna put 'em on the genres section. --Moraleh (talk) 22:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Probably a good idea, the infobox only needs be a summary of the article, usually it stops some 'genre fiddling' but it probably will have little effect in this case. --neonwhite user page talk 14:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Yesterday emo wasn't even in the info box..but it seems emos is back there today.....I don't think tha MCR are emo at all...they surely have emo influences but no emo.....at all! Still there are sources (biased sources like MTv) who call them emo......Whell in my though..alternative rock and post hardcore describe well their music now and before....you should refer emo in the article but not as a main genre of My Chem........Just said....--Horror Punk Ed22 (talk) 14:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is based on verifiable sources not one editor's personal opinion. They are widely considered an emo band, this is all that matters. --neonwhite user page talk 16:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

You know and we both know that they are often called emo as a kind of slang and not a a musical genre sometimes by the ones o hate them.....as for genre I call them emo sometimes...so if we are only anda only refering to the musical genre that was formed from the wave of post-hardcore than I totaly agree that is one of their genres..so you are right, wikipedia is based on verifiability...! --Horror Punk Ed22 (talk) 13:56, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Just to say that I am a very very big fan of the band, I really love their music and style...and even I can see emo influences on them....and sometimes I say they have more emo songs...only musically speaking...and there is also a lot of misjudgement an wrong ideas about what emo really is.--Horror Punk Ed22 (talk) 14:00, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

yes generally by unimformed editors of this article but not by music journalists who define genres. --79.68.104.75 (talk) 20:31, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

The sources that say that MCR are emo are not trustworthy

In most cases, when the band is referred to as emo, it is by an article which is targeted against them. They are using the word as an insult, not an actual description of their genre. And they themselves reject the term "emo". And as a musical genre, they most certainly are not emo. Their lyrics are emoish and they dress to the emo style, but their music sounds more like a fusion of Power-Pop/Pop-Punk and Hard Rock. Most people who call them emo are not really aware of what emo is in the musical sense and judge it entirely by lyrics and dress style, which doesn't define the style of their music. You can say that they dress to match the emo style or anything like that, but as a musical genre they are far from emo. --PokeOnic (talk) 17:49, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

It doesnt matter what they say, wikipedia is based on verifiable second and thrid party sources not personal opinion. Rolling Stone, MTV, NME and allmusicguide are just about the four biggest authorities on music. If they say they are emo then as far as wikipedia is concerned they are. --neonwhite user page talk 22:10, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think MTV, NME, or Rolling Stone can be called reliable sources. And allmusicguide has a bad habit of mixing up music genres anyway. I mean, I think the band would know what they're own style of music is. I think that if they don't want to be called emo it's not our place to decide they're music for them, what better source than the band it's self. Besides, alot of bands that aren't emo are called emo, Underoath for example.Emo777 (talk) 09:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Artists' interviews cannot be considered reliable; MTV, NME, Rolling Stone and allmusic.com, instead, are indipendent sources and thisfor trustworthy. {Sirabder87}^{Static age} 12:20, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Bands are definitely not the authorities on their own music because a lot of time the band itself may not understand what makes a certain genre. If you let the band decide what their genre is, then Avril Lavigne and Good Charlotte would both be punk. Tithonfury (talk) 18:58, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Now I know that allmuisc isn't that reliable. Besides, those sources only use other peoples opinions. Besides, just because a band dresses like emo and they're lyrics are similar dosen't make them emo. I mean, they still like certain elements of emo music.Emo777 (talk) 06:58, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

MTV, NME, Rolling Stone, and, although I hate to say it, Allmusic.com are considered reliable as far as wikipedia is concerned. If you don't like the reliability of a source I think that WP:RSN is the place to take it up.13Tawaazun14 (talk) 20:42, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

So, we've established that the four biggest sources used on wikipedia have unanimously voted My Chemical Romance as emo, then why is the genre not in the infobox? James25402 (talk) 01:27, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

WesleyDodds undid the revision, now emo genre is there back. {Sirabder87}^{Static age} 16:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Sister To Sleep

This is just a question of interest. My Chemical Romance have a demo, or a live song, called Sister To Sleep which I have downloaded, although I can't find its original source or any information on the song itself. Is this song a cover, or is it just an unreleased demo? Someone please shed some light. Revenge24 (talk) 07:53, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

It was written for the freddy vs. jason soundtrack around the time of the movies. icelandic hurricane #12_(talk) 02:41, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes..it's a live performance, that song whas to be in the freddy v.s jason soundtrack....I´ts a good song I loved if they would make a studio version...but yoknow --Horror Punk Ed (talk) 17:38, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Mmm yeah it'd be good if they re-released it or something. Revenge24 (talk) 18:37, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

It is an unreleased live song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebluekazoo (talk • contribs) 00:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Image???

We need an image of the band in this page.....please is there someone that has a free image of the band to put here..?--Horror Punk Ed22 (talk) 15:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)