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User:Izmir lee

Suspected sockpuppeteer

Izmir lee (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Suspected sockpuppets

Aegean Boy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)


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--Tsourkpk (talk) 08:11, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence

Account was created the day after User:Izmir lee was indef banned for sockpuppetry. Has exactly the same interests as Izmir lee and pushes the exact same POV continuously (namely, that Turkey is a European country). Uses the same arguments (mainly referencing other wikipedia article) and even makes the same typing mistakes. Displays the same relentless tendency to exceed 3RR.

Diffs: Template:Greek diaspora: [1] [2] [3]

European cuisine: [4]

Middle Eastern Cuisine  : [5]


Comments

This user's edits mostly consist or removing Turkey from Asian categories and adding it to European categories. This is exactly the same pattern as Izmir lee. Shows the same tendency to instantly revert and completely ignore WP:3RR. There is no doubt this is a sock of Izmir lee.

  • Tsourkpk is against Turkey and its EU accession. And he is always reverting articles with the same reason: "rv sock"[6][7]. I'm not a suckpuppet and i'm rarely editing wikipedia since December 2007 but i was anonymous and i signed up in this month because i've got a lot of free time in this summer. I checked contributions of Izmir Lae and i relaized that he/she was interested in Europe too but he/she was definitely a vandal! Also i realized that Tsourkpk and The Ogre are reverting the same articles after each other! And in the Template:Greek diaspora, they put completely Asian Armenia and partly Asian partly European Russia to Europe but partly Asian, partly European Turkey and Kazakhstan to Asia. If this template is geographical, Armenia must be in asia category, Russia, Turkey and Kazakhstan must be in transcontinental countries category but if this template is political, all these countries must be in europe category. I wrote it to talk page but Tsourkpk blanked the page 2 times[8][9]. Then he continued to reverting the template, i put all European and Asian countries into Eurasia category for ending the edit war. And i never violated 3RR! Tsourkpk removes Turkey from all European related articles! [10]. He says Armenia culturally european but Turkey is in islamic middle east!? He thinks i'm lying while i'm saying Turkey is a European country. Finally i want to show these evidences:

You can see Turkey is a part of Europe in European Environment Agency's website.

You can see Turkey in Europe not in Asia or Middle East in the BBC's website.

In Le Monde's website. France is opposite of Turkish EU membership but they don't deny that Turkey is European

Also in the New York Times'.

Tourism in Europe. You can see Turkey!

Europe's forecast. You can see Ankara's wheather :)

Also in IKEA's. and severel others. --Aegean Boy (talk) 09:28, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also administrator Darwinek has already warned Tsourkpk that "Stop blanking talk pages as you did to Greek diaspora template and calling users "socks" etc" [11] --Aegean Boy (talk) 09:33, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, you sound exactly like Izmir lee: [12]

[13] [14] [15] I could go on, but its all in your contribs log. And this debate is not about whether Turkey is European or not, but whether or not you are a sockpuppet of Izmir lee. --Tsourkpk (talk) 17:59, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm NOT a SUCKPUPPET!! Stop accusing me! Why do you add contribs of Izmir Lee here which i have never edited? Like these:[16] [17]? Your intention is different.. And you say "this debate is not about whether Turkey is European or not" therefore why did you revert this? : [18] and this (while edit warring between you and izmir lee )[19]. PLEASE edit objectively after today. Aegean Boy (talk) 19:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Let's look at the evidence once again, because it is now overwhelming.

1) User:Izmir lee is indef blocked after obsessive edit-warring and sockpuppetry on July 6th [20]. User:Aegean Boy account created on July 7th.


2) User:Izmir lee edits mostly consist of removing Asia categories from Turkey related articles, and adding Europe categories. Diffs: [21], [22], [23] [24].

User:Aegean Boy does exactly the same thing: [25] [26] [27] [28]


3)User:Izmir lee accuses editors that disagree with him of racism against Turks and of vandalism: [29] [30] [31] [32]

Guess what? User:Aegean Boy does exactly the same thing: [33] [34] [35] [36]


4) User:Izmir lee shows a particular interest in Template:Greek diaspora: [37] [38] [39] [40] [41]

User:Aegean Boy does exactly the same thing: [42] [43] [44]


5) User:Izmir lee adds systematically adds Europe categories and removes Asia from biography articles of Turkish athletes: [45] [46]

User:Aegean Boy does exactly the same thing: [47] [48] [49] [50]


Would an admin PLEASE look at all this evidence? It is overwhelming. This user is extremely disruptive, edit-warring across multiple articles. --Tsourkpk (talk) 19:14, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • My responses to your accusations:

1) Izmir Lee used suckpuppet IPs for editing after indef blocked!

Comment So is it just coincidence that you appear out of the blue on July 7th. Your knowledge of wikipedia seems highly advanced for such a new user. --Tsourkpk (talk) 08:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


2) I have never edited these [51], [52] [53] like you say! Izmir Lee valdalised these articles, not me! And you say you have changed categories like Izmir Lee. If i'm Izmir Lee, why did i changed this after Izmir Lee? [54]

Comment But that's EXACTLY the kind of edit that Izmir lee would do: [55] --Tsourkpk (talk) 08:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

3) I have never accused users that disagree with me of racist like Izmir Lee! And i have never edited Template:European Americans, Regional power, Template:Asian cinema and Southern Europe like you say! And i didn't put Turkey to European cuisine first![56] (my first edit to that article! You can see Turkish cuisine in Southern European cuisines before my edit!) And i put Cuisine of Europe template to Kazakh cuisine article because this template also includes kazakh cuisine but you removed it![57] and you wrote "is this a joke?" Because you think turkic people aren't european. But you have to know that European part of Kazakhstan is larger than whole Greece!

4) I'm editing Template:Greek diaspora because you say Armenia is in Europe but Turkey and Kazakhstan is in Asia and they are nothing have in common with Europe.

Comment Exactly the same argument as Izmir lee [58]. --Tsourkpk (talk) 08:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


5) I'm adding european categories to Turkish athletes and sportmen/women because all Turkish athletes are competing in European sports events and Turkey is a member of all European sports organizations. Like UEFA, FIBA Europe, Euroleague, European Olympic Committees, European Volleyball Championship, European Volleyball League, Champions League, EuroBasket, European Weightlifting Championship etc.

And i want to ask you a question. Why are you using Ryan Postlethwaite for your problems? Like this: "I've opened a sockpuppetry against him. Please feel free to weigh in when you're back. --Tsourkpk (talk) 20:03, 20 July 2008 (UTC)" and this: "I just hope Ryan comes back soon"! --Aegean Boy (talk) 20:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop begging to admins[59]. And please stop talking with your advocates about this issue [60]. --Aegean Boy (talk) 21:01, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


We'll see what Ryan has to say when he comes back. He is the only admin familiar with Izmir lee. And your canvassing [61], [62],

[63], [64], [65] is highly disruptive and illegal, so don't tell me about "begging to admins". I've got a good mind to report you to WP:AN/I just for that alone. --Tsourkpk (talk) 21:13, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, not for speaking Turkish (that's not a policy violation), but for canvassing to try getting around 3RR ("please stop him"). --Tsourkpk (talk) 21:37, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So if you saw that three editors were independently reverting you, why didn't you try to seek consensus, instead of reverting like crazy and sockpuppeting through anomymous IPs? --Tsourkpk (talk) 06:45, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment User:The Ogre is actually from Portugal. --Tsourkpk (talk) 08:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I retracted "this" [80] before your posting, and the editor's ethnicity is irrelevant. Izmir lee blocked for two weeks for edit-warring, but he continued through anonymous IPs, and that's why he was indef blocked. He has no one to blame but himself. --Tsourkpk (talk) 06:54, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have never blocked like you say [81]! You can look my block log if you don't believe in me! You reverted it because you know that you've violated WP:CANVAS! Don't you think that why any admins looked here and terminated this illogical and ridiculous pretension? Because you are wrong! --Aegean Boy (talk) 07:03, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I only encountered this user and the encircling discussions recently. However, my oppinion on the matter is that he (or perhaps she, despite the "Boy" in the name) is correct in his arguements. Turkey does have a European culture. Also, if the template is placing Turkey in Asia, then why is it placing Russia in Europe, when both are transcontinental countries? A point I brought up on the talk page of the template in question was that there is no tectonic plate dividing Asia and Europe, and therefore, there has always been controversy as to where the distinction of one ends and the other starts. However, a way that has been used in the country lists on Wikipedia to overcome this, is to group Europe and Western Asia together, and group East asia and South asia together. These two groups (whilst yes, still not divided by a tectonic plate) are more distinguished than say, Europe and Asia, and have been used to success in prohibiting debates like this on other articles when it comes to classifying countries. I made an attempt to solve the problem on the template page by grouping the Asia category (of which all the contained countries were from Western Asia) and the Europe category, to give Eurasia, by which Russia and Turkey were appropriately placed regardless of POV. However, Tsourkpk reverted - without good reason I might add, but anyway...
Oh, and I'm getting off the point. With regards to the sockpuppetery - since I have not known this user for very long, I don't know what my oppinion of it is yet. However, one thing I noticed from the diffs pointed out from the supposed sockpuppeter and Aegen Boy so far, are that the supposed sockpuppeter tended to use English spellings, while Aegen Boy tended to use American ones - although notably, both were quite broken.
That is all.
89.242.104.114 (talk) 19:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
HE HAS COPIED MY PROFILE Ijanderson977 (talk) 20:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The more I read about the situation, the more it seems like Tsourkpk is actually the one at fault here. He accuses Aegean boy of breaking 3RR, yet has been blocked for edit warring himself. WP:IRONY anyone?

He is given an official warning, for breaking not only WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF and WP:NPA, but apparently blanking an article too, to which he was threatened to be blocked.

After this, he actually removed the warning.

In fact, the user seems to have an entire history of removing warnings from their talk page on top of that... [82], [83]

A checkuser is not for fishing, and considering the problems seem to be a lot closer to home for this user, I think we need to deal with those first, before breaking WP:BITE, WP:AGF, and "Checkuser is not for fishing", in adhering to the whims of this user to attack and discredit those who oppose his POV pushing, edit warring, hypocritical, and unnacceptable edits. 89.242.104.114 (talk) 21:01, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am well within my rights to remove anything I want from my talk page. I was never blocked for 3RR, unlike Izmir lee, and who on earth said anything about a checkuser? Why are you attacking me like this? You are putting words in my mouth and accusing me of all sorts of things. did you look at the similarities between Izmir lee and Aegean Boy in the diffs above before judging me? --Tsourkpk (talk) 21:10, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You were blocked for edit warring. I am not attacking you. Irony much again though? The fact that you were warned for personal attacks, yet you now say I'm attacking you? If you feel I have put words into your mouth, then indicate as such. I have read through the entirity of the conversation, and while there do appear to be similarities, there are differences too, but that is not the point I am making. The point in hand, is that you are accusing this user of being in the wrong, while your contributions reveal a completely different side of the coin. 89.242.104.114 (talk) 21:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Conclusions


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