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Caucasus states opt-in[edit]

While I don't oppose disabling states with tiny or no parts in Europe by default, this edit by Dbachmann is a fairly radical one I disagree with for several reasons:

  • It was done inconsistently. Azerbaijan and Abkhazia were left opt-out while the others (Georgia, Armenia, NKR, South Ossetia) were made opt-in. If the criterion is that only states entirely in Asia are omitted by default, Georgia should be changed back since it's also partly in Europe.
  • No change to the documentation page was made to explain that/how the changed entries can be activated.
  • To more easily add the Caucasian states, I think there should be an option (maybe |Caucasus=yes) to activate them all at once – |AM=yes|GE=yes|NKR=yes|SO=yes is kind of cumbersome.

SiBr4 (talk) 11:55, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

I agree with all of this. But I'd add that Abkhazia is entirely on the Asian side of the Caucasian watershed (so, if that's the split, it should go opt-in). I'd also question Kazakhstan, whose European territory is relatively small and thinly-populated: I might be inclined to make it opt-in (but I won't push it).
There is a question of these options being used for POV purposes, which we should discourage if possible.
Finally, note that Cyprus is - geographically-speaking - fairly unambiguously in Asia, but it's so commonly treated as European that it should probably be included be default. Kahastok talk 13:37, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
I agree with the above concerns, either consistently apply the same argument to Turkey, Cyprus, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, SO, NK, NC and Abkhazia or don't at all.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 04:45, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Georgia is not "partly in Europe". Georgia is a member of various European organisations, this is true, but it is not geographically in Europe (apart from some glacier or rock face in the Caucasus just reaching across the watershed). If there is no consensus for my proposed consensus of "opt-in", I suppose we'll just remove the non-European entries again. I would remind you that this is supposed to be a template focussing on Europe in the geographical sense (not EU, not "Western world", but geographically Europe). --dab (𒁳) 06:44, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Prehistoric Europe[edit]

Is there some way to make this daughter template "|UK_only=no" by default? There is no 'prehistoric United Kingdom' by definition. Ben MacDui 17:35, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Soviet Union years[edit]

Shouldn't there be a Year in the Soviet union link on the template for years 1922-1990?Kges1901 (talk) 10:51, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

This template only includes currently existing countries and territories. Use the template {{Year in Europe}} instead for "Year in country" articles, since that does change its list of countries based on the input year:
SiBr4 (talk) 11:25, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


I suggest making a separate bracket for EU sovereign states and non-EU sovereign states, since EU has the common minimum standard regarding gun laws. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#European_Union

Cimmerian praetor (talk) 19:54, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

There are countless national and international uses for this template; I don't think the structure should be determined by gun laws. bobrayner (talk) 20:36, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Red Links[edit]

Hey, Not sure if this is the place to put this but when this template appears in English_tort_law all the links are red, but they work perfectly fine in Template:Europe_topic. --Jaffacakemonster53 (talk) 23:21, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Template scope[edit]

The scope of the template is clearly geographical, i.e. it lists entities that are at least partially in Europe geographically. Case in point, the Faroe islands are listed, and Greenland isn't. Both are regionally autonomous within Denmark, but Faroe is "in Europe", while Greenland isn't. Membership in this or that "European" club doesn't enter into it, or there would be no end to additions, rendering the template even more useless than it is now. Georgia is an "intercontinental" country because it has a few square feet north of the Caucasus watershed. It is rather stretching the concept to list it as "in Europe" based on that, but technically we have to concede it is "transcontinental". This is no excuse to keep adding Armenia, which has not a square inch of geographically European territory no matter how many times it participates in the Eurovision Song Contest (we aren't including Israel as "in Europe" because its football team is in the UEFA either).

Please stick to this, or else explain what the rationale for inclusion should be instead of geography, and try to find consensus for whatever it is you are proposing (after duly considering what will need to be changed, are we going to list Greenland, French Guyana, Israel or Mururoa following your proposal?). --dab (𒁳) 09:27, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

The template doesn't have a "clearly geographical scope" at all; it is used in hundreds of topics, some of which Armenia is considered European in (not least sports). Israel is actually included, but is opt-in. All other countries are already opt-out by means of the country-specific parameters (so Armenia can be removed in topic-specific wrappers using |AM=). I'd support making Armenia and the NKR (and the rest of the Caucasus for that matter) opt-in as well, if consensus is reached and care is taken to update transclusions, but they shouldn't be deleted entirely. SiBr4 (talk) 21:37, 26 November 2015 (UTC)