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Archives

— September 2007

Sources

As suggested by WesleyDodds, we should collate potential Nevermind sources:

allmusic.com: Nevermind. Good for release formats.
Our Band Could Be Your Life. Sub-Pop and release: p. 451, 452 Release and legacy: p. 493-501.
RollingStone.com: Nevermind. Mostly talks about musical style and recording. CloudNine 09:10, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
NYTimes.com: Pop/Jazz; A Band That Deals In Apathy Original review by The New York Times the week Nevermind was released. WesleyDodds 09:18, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
NYTimes.com: RECORDING VIEW; Boredom + Claustrophobia + Sex = Punk Nirvana Follow-up piece after Nevermind started climbing the charts. Sales increases are tallied here: [1], [2]
NYTimes.com: The Pop Life; Nirvana's 'Nevermind' Is No. 1 Nevermind tops the charts. Follow-up article here: [3]
NYTimes.com: POP VIEW; Nirvana-bes Awaiting Fame's Call The immediate impact of Nevermind on alternative rock bands. WesleyDodds 09:29, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
EW.com: Nevermind Review. WesleyDodds 20:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References

I went through and repaired all the references. I couldn't figure out what the 15th ref, "Di Perna, Alan. Fall 1996", is referring to. it needs to be clarified or removed. It doesn't state what it's referencing, and uses a seasonal term to describe its date. Could somebody who knows what this is referring to please clarify it? Grim 17:10, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think I know what it is. I believe it's a reprint of a 1996 Guitar World article. I have a reprint of it, but not on me at the moment. WesleyDodds 03:58, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gramatical Errors

I've found a few grammatical errors, most notably in the first paragraph with words such as "aand" and "oen" which were corrected accordingly. Just a reminder for anybody to catch little mishaps such as those already mentioned! User:Chaide 18:11, 30 September 2007

Total sales?

Anyone know total sales, both U.S. and world wide?--TallulahBelle 13:08, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

U.S. sales are 10 million+, worldwide sales are 26 million+. Both sources are at Nirvana discography. --Brandt Luke Zorn 13:45, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Cover Art Photography

I've just embellished this section with the fact that the Elden's received just $200, as it's an interesting fact. However, regarding the photography, in the article it says that 5 shots of the baby were taken and hints that Spencer was the only baby filmed. However, in a UK e4/ Channel 4 programme in 2005 titled The 100 Greatest Albums, a caption said 'Spencer was one of 12 babies photographed for the sleeve'. This isn't a big issue frankly, but can we just bear it in mind for a possible change in the future - I appreciate that the caption could easily have been wrong, but Rick Elden DID feature in the programme and we have to assume that the researchers got the info directly from him, someone who claimed to be a 'good, good buddy' of the photographer at the time. Jaydash, 02:15, 28 October 2007

Outtakes

Why was information about outtakes deleted? They had been a part of this article for years and to say "I don't think we need this" doesn't make sense. I've added them back in and I would like someone to explain why they are irrelevant to the article.

Stay Away

I think that "Stay Away" should be given its own article. Does anyone else agree? --Classicrockfan42 (talk) 03:16, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I think it had enough detail in its last revision to at least be stub-worthy. Its Live Nirvana Song Guide entry has a few more bits of info that could be added. --jh51681 (talk) 07:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Songs all gone

I'll keep it short, someone deleted all the songs on the track. No explanation given, they just did. TostitosAreGross (talk) 00:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Per dicussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Alternative music, we redirected several of the song pages since they are not notable enough to deserve separate articles. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:47, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Harmonically Indeterminate?

Under "Music," the article states "Cobain, Nirvana's main songwriter, fashioned chord sequences that were harmonically indeterminate (neither major nor minor)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevermind#Music . I'm no music expert, but just about every Nirvana song is in minor. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and "In Bloom" are in F-minor, "Come As You Are" is in D-minor, "Breed," "Polly" (chorus is G-minor) and "Lounge Act" are in E-minor, "Territorial Pissings" is in A-minor, and "Drain You" is in F#-minor. "Lithium" and "On A Plain" are more complicated, but the former's bridge ("I'm not gonna crack") and latter's chorus both sound in G-minor. This statement about the album being harmonically indeterminate should be further explained or omitted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Starscreech (talk • contribs) 18:18, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Who wrote the songs?

This article says they were all written by Kurt Cobain alone (apart from Smells...) but on the record sleeve it says "All song lyrics by Kurt Cobain/Music by Nirvana". Who's right? MFlet1 (talk) 22:17, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Smells Like Teen Spirit

Should it be mentioned that Smells Like Teen Spirit reached #9 on the RS 500 Greatest Songs of All Time? Cheers, Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 15:22, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's more appropriate for the song page, where it is currently mentioned. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge content of Spencer Elden into this article

Spencer Elden is the toddler that is pictured on the front cover of this album. He's a teenager now, still in high school. Other than his father showing up and getting paid $200 for them to take a few pics of his son underwater, the kid hasn't done anything notable. He doesn't warrant having a separate article about him at this point, and it does not meet the guidelines of WP:BLP. I therefore recommend that whatever content of his article that's not already over here (if any), be merged here, and the article be redirected to this one. Dr. Cash (talk) 01:08, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I personally don't think he should have an article, but he has been interviewed and been the subject of a number of articles in the mainstream press. I don't see what would be worth merging here. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Considering that an article about Kirk Weddle, the photographer who took the picture in the first place and is also a photographer for Rolling Stone Magazine, was just deleted I think this info should be deleted or merged. I tried to help the Weddle article out, but it was deleted before I could make changes. Considering that MTV.com states that the album-cover is iconic I think Weddle is far more deserving of an article than Elden. Weddle's concept is notable. The model is just part of that concept. Another option might be for someone to work on the Kirk Weddle bio again and merge this info to Weddle's bio.(Roodhouse1 (talk) 00:57, 1 August 2008 (UTC))[reply]