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Sonic X New Adventures

The television series section describes an anime called "Sonic X: The New Adventures". I'm going to check up on this, and if it's false I'm removing.  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 22:09, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I see, someone typed up a story on fanfiction.net and claimed it was an anime. Sorry, SX: NA, but you're going bye-bye!  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 22:10, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Chaos Control

I think we should refer the ability of sonic to cause chaos control with just one emerald, as seen in the sonic x episode 37 —Preceding unsigned comment added by XFyre1 (talk • contribs) 19:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

first of all, no because Sonic X isnt a place to get info about Sonic unless it's in the section about Sonic X or the Sonic X main article. BUT, you could put down "Sonic can perform Chaos Control with one Chaos Emerald as seen in Sonic Adventure 2 Battle", which I'm pretty damn sure happened. And Third of all... Sonic X ep 37?! I cant believe there are fans of that series! (No offense) The show or 'anime' sucks, and I doubt that this information should be noted unless you can find a proper spot for it in the article. ][User:SxeFluff--SxeFluff (talk) 02:37, 5 February 2008 (UTC)]] 20:37, 4 Febuary 2008

sonic never really used the chaos emerald he used the fake own made by tails, but he can do chaos control with one emerald(even a fake one)

The Simpsons Game Cameo

Sonic has had a cameo-which the appearance--done by EA--was poorly-in The Simpsons game but it is not in the Outside of Sonic titles section! Please can someone fix that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.242.66 (talk) 21:45, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Its not "poorly done" it was just deliberatly made to not look exactly like him for copyright purposes. Its a blue hedgehog looking creature, but EA can deny it was him. Frankly, I'm not sure if this should be mentioned at all (it clearly is a reference to Sonic, as is the Mario that appears in the game, but it technically isn't).

Featured Article

Sonic fans. I think it is time for us to take the next step, and crusade to get this article in shape, nominated, reviewed, etc, until it is a featured article! I don't know many specifics of how the nomination and request process works, but I would like to ask that we campaign for it! If we work at it, it may not be long before we get ourselfs a featured article! Let's give it a go! User:Radman622 01:10, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Apparently, you're either not a very talkative or not a very motivated bunch are ya? User:Radman622 07:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

It would be cool to see sonic as a featured article. Fwooshlewooshle (talk) 15:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I dig it. We should ban together and all join the SegaProject! (If some of us haven't already.)  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 15:21, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Homing attack.

On the abilities section it says sonic gained his homing attack in sonic 3D blast. I dont remember that being in that game. I thought it first debuted in sonic adventure. Can anyone tell me if it really debuted in sonic 3D blast? Fwooshlewooshle (talk) 22:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

In 3D, if Sonic obtained a gold shield he could perform something similar to the homing attack. I'm not sure if it was named 'homing attack' or not, so I can't say if the article is accurate. Cigraphix (talk) 00:20, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it should be resaid as he officialy gained the homing attack in Sonic Adventure but was able to do an ability similar to it in the previous sonic title, Sonic 3D blast. Fwooshlewooshle (talk) 01:46, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, after collecting all the chaos emeralds and super emeralds in Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Sonic could change forms into Hyper Sonic and perform homing attacks. The ability has been around for a while. --JamesGecko (talk) 02:04, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, actually, Hyper Sonic just destroyed all enemies on-screen in S3&K; it wasn't a homing attack. Sabre Knight (talk) 22:22, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Subspace Emmisiary?

What role does Sonic play in the SE in Smash Bros. Brawl? I think that it would be a valid thing to add to 'outside of Sonic titles'... dontcha think? - (Indigo Rush 00:30, 4 February 2008 (UTC))

This will probably be best added after the western relase of Brawl, as I think most solid information about brawl is rather hard to source at the moment.  Doktor  Wilhelm  00:56, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Heh, if you think it's hard to source, obviously you haven't picked up Nintendo Power lately.  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 15:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Sonic does not play a role in the Subspace Emisary —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.121.54 (talk) 00:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC) Oh i`m sorry he doesn`t appear in The Subspace Emmisary until the final boss battle —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.100.62 (talk) 20:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC) His role is that he broke one of Tabuu's wings, making his attack a whole lot weaker--Game Shaman (forgot my password) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.211.234.126 (talk) 17:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I recall Sakurai saying that this was because Sonic was added so late that they had a hard time fitting him into the plot. - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:47, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Sonic's aging?

Just so you know, the upcoming game "Sonic Chronicles: Dark Brotherhood" is said to be set "two years after Sonic last fought Eggman."

Doesn't that mean that Sonic's 17 years old in this game?

You may consider putting that info in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.106.187.33 (talk) 23:02, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Not really, how old was Sonic when he last fought Eggman? he could have been 30, the age in the Article is Sonic's given age, and fictional chracrets don't age at the same rate as the real world, in fact they can age backward! Plus, Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood isn't even out yet, don't count ya chickens!  Doktor  Wilhelm  23:01, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Trimming Game Appearences

I took out some un-important info in the Game Appearences section (such as Sonic's Brawl Final Smash being Super Sonic). Nothing important was removed, though.  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 14:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC) Should i put that in Super Sonic`s article instead? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.100.62 (talk) 20:56, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Smash Bros. Picture Misplacement

There is a picture of Sonic and Mario from Brawl in Popularity and references in other media, but there is no mention of it in that section. I'm moving it to the section where that game is talked about. w/love, GEM036 (talk) 03:23, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Sonic "The" Hedgehog

Sonic's offical middle name is The. So it should be capitalized. not the. Please fix. -Doodlebomb —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.205.115.154 (talk) 02:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC) Yeh i`ve noticed that it kind of pisses me off —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.121.54 (talk) 00:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC) YES! then why isn`t the article called Sonic The Hedgehog instead —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.121.54 (talk) 21:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

If that's true then how come the games subtitles always list it as the. (Here's an external to prove it. NOTE: I suggest those who haven't played Sonic Adventure 2 don't watch this. Sonic)

Hmm, very interesting. But then again, check source 3 on this article. Im not gonna say anything else, because the source on the article addresses the issue, and the Sonic Adventure Clip i just watched confirmed that the is used in game. So i dont have a real answer for how to resolve this. I guess just leave it as is. -Doodlebomb —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.205.115.154 (talk) 21:17, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

SSBB Misinformation

That section about Sonic in Brawl needs to be reworded, and your facts about his gameplay need some serious straightening out. For one, he lacks any moves to send the opponent "flying with ease", in fact, he's in utter lacking of a decent finishing move, making him one of the lower-mid tier characters. 72.208.107.204 (talk) 22:13, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

That's not true. His forward smash, down smash, back-air, and up-air are all effective killing moves. His back-throw is also an effective killing manuever. In addition, his up-B can be used as a projectile that cancels an opponent's second jump/recovery, and his homing attack can be used the same way, making Sonic very effective at edgeguarding, as well. He's a lightweight character, and as such, he needs to bring the opponent up to 120% or higher before he an effectively kill someone, the same as the other lightweight characters.

It's been established, however, that he has no trouble killing someone; it simply takes more skill to do so. His fast speed, air control and comboability allow him to rack up the damage quickly, meaning, if you actually have any skill with Sonic, you would see that it isn't difficult to KO an opponent with him at all. In fact, these abilities actually rank him higher on the tier list than you claim.

Article is wee bit too long

My suggestion would be (if you want the GA nomination to pass someday) would be to remvoe these sections: Interaction with other characters and Alternate versions. Its one thing to give a cursory sketch of Sonic's appearances in the comics (see Dr. Eggman) but this info really belongs in Sonic the Hedgehog (American TV and Comic).

As for the "Interactions..." section, that info belongs in each individual character's article. When you repeat the same information that's already available elsewhere, it ends up looking like a blob. You guys will be much happier with this article once it's tidy. Johnnyfog 15:54, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Friends

shouldn't we write down about his friends/love life/enimie(most likely spelled wrong) relationships. He knows a lot of people like Mina Mongoose, Sally, Tails, Amy... just wanted to know before i did something BlueBananas4ever (talk) 23:33, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

This is the video game Sonic article. Half of the ones you state are from the comic.Fairfieldfencer FFF 08:10, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

sorry i forgot it was just the video games.(sweatdrop)But shouldn't we put down the characters from the video games then and what his like with them then?BlueBananas4ever (talk) 01:58, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

There was a friends section but this guy named Bridies deleted because it was unsourced.Fairfieldfencer FFF 09:34, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Young Sonic image

Hi, i have found on DeviantArt a young Sonic (brown) before he turned blue. Anyone wanna to place here? No problemo there is: Young Sonic Or check another one: Young Sonic Search on DeviantArt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.207.126.231 (talk) 21:14, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the continued support, but here on Wikipedia we tend to look for images that are made by the big guys (Sega, Sonic Team, etc.). Unfortunatley, if it isn't official, we can't exactly put it on. Plus we'd need to have it OK'd by the author...which is a lot more work than it's worth. Maybe if you can find a young Sonic in an Archie Comic or something...but thanks anyway!  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 01:14, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Snapshots

Please consider adding this gallery as a list of relevant photos about Sonic the Hedgehog RyanTMulligan (talk) 19:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I took a look at them, and I think a "List of Relevant Sonic photos" would be pretty irrellevant. Plus, some of them seem...somewhat innapropriate for a Wikipedia article. Sorry, it just doesn't seem to fit in. Thanks for at least putting forth some effort though!  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 11:35, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Article clean up effort

Per a recent discussion on WP:VG, I've began working on cleaning up this article. While some parts of this article are decent enough, there's still a lot of extra stuff that needs to be worked on. I'm using Link (The Legend of Zelda) as a model for what this article should be shooting for, as it's one of the few game character articles that's a Featured Article (and one that's passed two FA Reviews, at that). As for what needs to be done:

• The "Related Songs" section really needs to go. It's nothing more than a list of random tracks (which is unacceptable as indiscriminate info) and as far as I know, no other good fictional character articles includes a whole section on character leimotifs (Darth Vader, for example, only has one sentence mentioning what his leimotif is). I can't see any purpose that a reader would need to know what Sonic's theme was in every video game.
• The "Character" section needs major trimming. I can understanding talking a bit about the character's personality as well as his most common abilities and Super Sonic (the Link article has a similar section that talks about his common abilities), but who really pays attention to what his home is like, what his weaknesses are or what the personalities of his alternate selves from the cartoons or comic are like? I'm wary to use the word, but there's way too much cruft in that section, and it needs to be weeded out.
• The "Popularity and references in other media" section needs to be regoranized and expanded. I'm surprised that an article about one of the defining characters in video games, whose rivalry with Mario was the definition of the Nintendo-Sega wars of the 16-bit era, and the mascot of Sega, talks very little about the actual cultural impact the character has had and mostly lists a whole bunch of pop culture references. The section as it is is a good start (mentioning him being one of the few video game characters at the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade and the Sonic hedgehog gene are good), but it definitely needs to be expanded and sourced.

If anybody else has any other thoughts on how this article can be improved, I'm open to suggestions. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 01:30, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I think the songs section should stay as it is real world information. And I can definately agree with you about the home and alternate versions sections, but I think weaknesses should be merged with personality or abilities.Fairfieldfencer FFF 07:42, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Removed inappropriate sentence with horrible spelling.

I removed a sentence at the end of the section discussing "Werewolf Sonic", due to horrible spelling and barely understandable sentence structure. If anybody objects to this, you can revert my edit.

Deleting "Related Songs" section?

OK, the "Related Songs" section is totally irrelevant. I mean, the article is about the character himself. If anything, we can put the songs in the Game Series article. Still, though, I don't see a reason why this should be included at all. And opinions?  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 01:12, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree with this. It's not really relevant to understanding the character, and it's something that better belongs in a Music of Sonic the Hedgehog article, not an individual character article. None of the feature video game character articles (Link, Master Chief or Cortana) have such a section (or even talk about music related to the character) and articles that do mention music central to the characters (such as Darth Vader) only spend a sentence, maybe two, talking about it. A whole section, especially one that's mostly a track listing, is overkill and unnecessary. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 01:48, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Darth only had one theme song, Sonic has alot.Fairfieldfencer FFF 09:57, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but it is real world information. And maybe why those characters don't have song sections is because they didn't have real bands like Crush 40 or Julien-K.Fairfieldfencer FFF 07:47, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Just because it's real-world information doesn't automatically make it worthwhile information. All the section is is "These are a bunch of songs that have been Sonic's theme in games" and then gives a list of tracks. There's nothing in this section that would help a reader understand the character better, just a bunch of songs. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 08:24, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not trying to say the info is "worthwhile" and will "help a reader understand the character better". I'm trying to say that the articles need as much real world info as they can.Fairfieldfencer FFF 08:37, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

But that's what this article is here for, to explain to readers what Sonic is and what influence he's had on society at large - not all real-world information does that. The real-world information that this article needs is a more detailed explanation of Sonic's influence on the video game industry and popular culture, not what in-game music is associated with him. The former explains to a reader why Sonic's so important to video gamers and the industry, the latter is just trivia that only fans of the series would care about. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 08:49, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not just talking about this article, I'm talking about the others as well. They really need real world info with this merge going on.Fairfieldfencer FFF 09:37, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Look, real-world info has nothing to do with it. This is an article about a video game character and it explains, like NeoChaosX said, how Sonic is important in the video game world today. It describes the many aspects of the hedgehog (his personality, his history etc.) and, although I guess it seemed like a good idea at the time, music shouldn't be included. Not only that, but if we DID decide to keep it, the section would need some major clean up as well. Regards,  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 11:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, people may get mad at this, but I did a major overhaul of the section, and I changed it simply to "music". If anyone has any problems with my edit, please don't hesitate to tell me.  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 14:58, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Gwah!!

I know this is a weird title, but we're doing all we can and this article STILL hasn't been even assesed for a Featured Article status! Any suggestions as to what we can do now?  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 01:39, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Proposed merge

Hello! Per User talk:Shereth#Wikipedia:Articles for deletion.2FSonic the Hedgehog .28American TV and Comic.29, I propose we discuss merging some of the content and perhaps specifically following Sgeureka's suggestion. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 19:56, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Big Belly

Why does Sonic always run around with his belly exposed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.202.226.77 (talk) 02:48, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I have a better question...why can't all you guys discuss irrelevant things on forums?  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 02:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Spotted. Go to some fourm, and be a n00b there! Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. 02:58, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

You're a noob. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.217.112.178 (talk) 03:08, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. Sure. Call me a noob when you learn how to sign your posts. _Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. ^Soul 03:18, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Cameo Section

OK, honestly, what does a CAMEO SECTION add to this article? This is an informative article about a video game character. I think it's OK if we leave in the stuff about what SONIC games he's in, but we seriously need to take out the cameo section. I mean, seriously, who cares if you can see Sonic gettin' jiggy wit' it in Samba de Amigo? Regards,  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 11:44, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Well it does add real world info.Fairfieldfencer FFF 11:45, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Please. Fairfieldfencer. Don't make us go through this "real world info" junk we did with the music section.  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 02:03, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, I cleaned up the section and just listed a few cameo appearences. We don't need to know if Sonic was a stamp in Wacky Worlds.  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 02:12, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I just realized something.

When this article was a GA article, the article was big with full of information. Then when some people started to clean up the article, the article got smaller and, the article fell out of GA status. (No offence to the people who cleaned up the article.) Unknown the Hedgehog 03:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Different results of the same cause. The article came under scrutiny, so questionable content was removed and also its GA status was questioned. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I think the problem isn't the fact that we cleaned it up...I think the problem is that we didn't clean it up WELL enough. There's still lots of things that need to be deleted.  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 02:06, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Brawl image

I'm wondering if it would be worth adding back the image of Mario and Sonic fighting, considering the very idea itself is very popular, and SSBB's pairing of Sonic vs. Mario is the most popular instance of this. - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:49, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it matters either way. Doubtless Mario vs. Sonic fans will be attracted to the article if they find that image on Google though.  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 02:04, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

It's not about attracting people, I just think that an image which slightly depicts the rivalry Mario and Sonic once shared would be nice. - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:29, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, OK, I hear you. But what section would we put it in? Still, this article only has like two pictures...  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 13:11, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Reception & legacy, though only after someone adds info on Brawl as part of its legacy (there's plenty of discussion from Sakurai about his inclusion in Brawl). - A Link to the Past (talk) 16:48, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Pictures

We need some pictures. Can some one get a screenshot of Sonic in one of his games. Or maybe Brawl Bottomlivefan95 (talk) 11:27, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, we were talking about that in the section right above this one! :) What pictures do you think we shoud put up? Maybe a box art for the original Sonic the Hedgehog...?  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 12:05, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, I added Sonic's Stock Art from his 15th anniversary and labeled it as his new appearence "since Sonic Adventure", but now there's a huge gap in the article due to the huge box under the Sonic Unleashed stock art. Any suggestions?  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 12:22, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we should have a picture of any Sonic Game noticable. Actually i'd quite like a screenshot of Sonic Adventure if you could get it? Bottomlivefan95 (talk) 20:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I moved the picture to the left to fix the gap. We don't need any game screenshots, unless it's that Sonic VS Mario, and put that under "Leacy". We don't need to pictures of Sonic's current look. So, just his latest art, his first, and a screen of Sonic VS Mario in Brawl. That's all we need. We don't need game sceenshots on a character article. Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. Soul 20:19, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Maybe...

we could re-nominate this article for GA status. Unknown the Hedgehog 22:21, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Not yet. There's still some work to be done... Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. Soul 22:23, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Merchandise

Would anyone mind if I added a section for merchandise? Like, how Sonic's popularity has gotten a large selection of clothing items, figurens (Or whatever you may call them), puzzles, etc. Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. Soul 22:51, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't merchandise be more of a legacy thing. I'm all for expanding the article though...Bottomlivefan95 (talk) 21:14, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, actually, I think your right. ^Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. _Soul 01:19 22:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

If you want to add merchandise you could probably add it but it would most likely be better as a sub heading. The reason i've had a change of mind is because for some strange reasn Rouge has one :S Bottomlivefan95 (talk) 16:52, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Yup. Rouge has very little merchandise (To my knowledge, a plush, asnd a toy, both of which I own rofl), mean while, Sonic has towles, clothes, puzzles, plushes, toys, calenders, etc. So, I'll test out my idea on the SHC. _Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. ^Soul 00:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Game releases

The game release dates seem a little off. The article says that Sonic the Hedgehog was released in 1996 and the sequal came in 1997. Meanwhile, the articles for those games says 1991 and 1992 respectively, which seems a lot more accurate considering I was much younger when those games came around.