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I'd like to thank you for your military organization charts! Axeman89 05:57, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Argentine Army

Another Link from saorbats.ar.com about the Order of battle of the Argentine Army: http://www.saorbats.com.ar/EA_orbat.htm It is quite complicated and confusing and I don't know how up to date it is, but if you need any help in translating it, I would be glad to help you.

An updated version of the Argentine Army Orbat (as of January 2008) can be found at that same site: [1]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.235.90.117 (talk) 04:16, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Brazilian Army

An Orbat identical in its appearence to the one of the Argentine Army: http://www.saorbats.com.ar/ORBAT-ExercitoBrasileiro.htm

Uruguayan Army

Although I couldn't find the Army of this nation in your to-do-list, perhaps you are interested in drawing a structure of it, as there is a very actual orbat on the page I already talked to you about: http://www.saorbats.com.ar/ORBAT%20-%20Uruguay%20-%20ENU.htm

Singapore Army

To answer your question on the Singapore Amry page, visit http://www.geocities.com/mindef123/

Iraq

Take a look at this - http://billroggio.com/oob/index.php - for an OB source. Cheers Buckshot06 20:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alpini Arms

I've browsed around that gallery of arms you've made for the various italian regiments, and my attention was captured by the Alpini shields. Nearly each and every one of them sports a yellow trident on a blue field that is quasi-similar to the coat of arms of the Ukraine. Could you please explain the history of the use of that emblem with the Alpini and what it represents for them? Russoswiss 19:02, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, it has. Quite an interesting custom it is. Russoswiss 22:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ground and Coastal Defence Forces of the Baltic Fleet

Former 11th Guards Army; source brinkster.com and Kommersant-Vlast 2005; personnel strength figures are 2000-01, seven years old. Coastal Defence Units

  • 7th Separate Motor Rifle Brigade, Kaliningrad, former 1st Guards Motor Rifle Division
  • 152nd (Guards?) Rocket Brigade (Chernyakhovsk)(18 OTR-21 Tochka SSM, 187 men)
  • 183rd Anti-Aircraft Rocket Brigade, Gvardeysk (Гвардейск), S-300
  • 43rd Anti-Aircraft Rocket Brigade, (Zhamensk? - Знаменск), S-300
  • 689th Multiple Rocket Launcher Regiment, Kaliningrad)(125, Vad; 36 9P140 Ураган)
  • 46th Seperate Pontoon-Bridge Regiment (Gorodkovo)
  • 1st Separate Communications Regiment, Kaliningrad
  • 159 Separate Intelligence Regiment of Special Designation (Electronic Warfare?)(орп ОсН), Gvardeysk (Гвардейск)
  • 196 Base for Storage of Weapons and Equipment, Sovetsk, 365 personnel (2000-1 figures), formerly 40th Tank Division- 204 Т-72, 72 БМП, 24 2С1 (Noclador, please list with 'XX' and list numbers of personnel; I will add a note to the Baltic Fleet page explaining what a BSWE is (Basically a 'C' Division)).
  • 385 Base for Storage of Weapons and Equipment, Kaliningrad/Lugovoe, 365 men, former 1st Guards Tank Division - 207 T-72, 75 BМP, 24 2S3 'XX'
  • 3598 Base for Storage of Weapons and Equipment, Kaliningrad, 144 men, formerly 671st and 672 Artillery Regiments of 149th Artillery Division- 72 2А36 "X", I guess.
  • 6610th Base for Storage of Weapons and Equipment, Mamonovo, 123 men (motor rifle forces)
  • Base for Storage of Weapons and Equipment/former 18th Guards MRD, Gusev, 200 men (figure circa 2001) - 155 Т-72,153 ББМ, 31 2С3, 30 2С1, 12 Grad ('XX')
  • 609th Separate Training Motor Rifle Regt (Gvardeysk), 720 men, 50 T-72, 100 BTR, 24 БМП, 10 2С1, 1 2С3, D30. This is a training regiment that prepares servicemen for all coastal defence forces throughout Russia. It was transferred from the Ground Forces to the Navy in 2002.
  • 25th Separate Coastal Rocket Regiment, Donskoe (equipped with ‘Rubezh’)
  • Anti-Aircraft Rocket Regiment, Kaliningrad, S-300
  • Rocket Battalion, Kronshtadt (Rubezh coastal defence missile)
  • 218th Separate Electronic Warfare Regiment, Yantarny
  • 302nd Separate Electronic Warfare Regiment, Gvardeysk, cadre
  • 127th Separate Naval Engineer Battalion (омиб - minelaying(?)), Primorsk (Приморск)

Naval Infantry

  • 336 Separate Brigade of Naval Infantry, Baltiysk, Мечниково, 877/878 Sep Naval Infantry Battalions, 879 Sep Air Assault Bn, 724 ордб
  • 205 Separate Anti-underwater Diversionary forces Detachment, Baltiysk (50-60 men)
  • 561 Separate Naval Reconnaissance Detachment
Noclador, when you're ready to do this; say the word; be keen to push on with the Russian Ground Forces units. Am also collecting the various Japanese infantry regiments. Cheers Buckshot06 02:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If you're stressed out, don't worry about it.. I know you'll fix them up when you get the time. Cheers Buckshot06 20:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Swiss Air Squadrons

The armed forces went into even further confusion by having a new and separate website under the admin.ch category, which is, quite obviously, everything related to the government (including legislation, which means people like I spend their days and nights on admin.ch). Anyway, the Luftwaffle's German language page now apparently has the squadrons listed. Since it's in German, I can't confirm for sure, but as you speak the language, you should see quite quickly whether the information is of any use or not.

http://www.lw.admin.ch/internet/luftwaffe/de/home/verbaende/einsatz_lw/staffeln.html Here is the link. Russoswiss (talk) 19:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.lw.admin.ch/internet/luftwaffe/de/home/verbaende/einsatz_lw/staffeln.html

Changes in IDF structure

Hi man! There are some minor changes in the IDF structure.

  • C4I Corps Command taken back from Ground Forces Command to Computer Services Directorate.
  • Logistics Corps Command and Ordnance Corps Command also taken back to Logistics, Medical, and the Centers Directorate.

Flayer (talk) 10:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, have a good time! Flayer (talk) 19:43, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Don't change the graphics yet. I'll inform you. Flayer (talk) 17:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK. C4I Corps Command with its subunits taken back from Ground Forces Command to Computer Services Directorate. That's all for now. Flayer (talk) 07:18, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Swedish Army

Check this out http://www.armehandbok.se/ny_sida_1119.htm Papastis (talk)

Structures

I will lost some of my time and correct some mistakes.

Polish Armed Forces are made of:

  • Land Forces - 4 Divisions and independent units
  • Air Force
  • Navy
  • Inspektorat Wsparcia Sił Zbrojnych - new structure created to support all armed forces types, among others it took over Military districts (but without Territorial Defense Brigades)
  • SOF Command
  • Military Police (separated from other armed forces) - made of local units and 3 special units (often mistaken with SOF)

The Territorial Defense (OT) Brigades were reduced to battalions and now are part of some regular brigades.

You must understand that Polish Armed Forces were preparing for global war and during war time most of the soldier would be conscripts - now Armed Forces are transforming to fully professional army. It has no point to post to detailed structures because they are morphing constantly to be close to new model - for example till 2010 all T-72 are going to be removed from service and that mens that there will be only 6 tank battalions wit 350 tanks. Other exemple - brigade medical units now are part of command battalion, and so on. And beliveme there are some well informed people outside of wiki project. --Corran.pl (talk) 12:33, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maps

Hi Noclador, would it be possible for you to edit maps, therefore make battle maps if I provide you a model and all the informations? I can send you a model through email if you want.. Cheers, --Eurocopter (talk) 12:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Army National Guard divisions

Hi, reference your message on my talk page, I would be happy to help out where I can. You are quite correct that the transformation of the National Guard will make your task quite difficult. I am most familiar with the structures of the current 26th Infantry Brigade Combat Team (IBCT) and the 86th IBCT of the 42d Infantry Division. The 26th IBCT will as of 1 October transform into the 26th Maneuver Enhancement Brigade (MEB)and the units that you currently have listed under it will no longer be in that brigade. The MEB will be composed of all combat support units. The 86th IBCT will lose the 1-86 FA which is deactivating, and gain the 1-101st FA. Will provide more details as I get them. Hardnfast (talk) 10:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

US Army

Hi. First, I'd like to say that all you've done is great, keep it up! Then, is it technicly (if yes, would you consider) possible to do a chart of the whole of the US Army? It probably isn't, but you never know. Still, thanks again for all your work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by James5 (talk • contribs) 12:47, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hellenic Army

Congratulations on your work, your graphics are extremely interesting! I have managed to find all the major formations of the Hellenic Army, here: Formations of the Hellenic Army, and I am wondering if you could create a graphic. I understand that you prefer to create them only if you have all the infos up to battalions, but it's very hard to find this kind of data in Greece, so if you have some time you could create it! Papastis (talk) 11:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think you are right, it's better to have a more detailed graphic...I hope I can find more data, but anyway, thanks for your interest! Papastis (talk) 06:53, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me, for being annoying, but I have managed to make some serious progress: II Army Corps, 24th Armored Brigade, 3rd Mechanized Infantry Brigade I will inform you if I have more and supposing you are interested... Papastis (talk) 16:40, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More XVI Mechanized Infantry Division Papastis (talk) 22:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your graphics are fantastic! Now, about the Commands I will try to find out their units, but it's a big problem, the army is under a heavy reorganization plan (the 3rd in the last 10 years) and no one knows what exactly is going to happen. And when I say heavy I mean for example that all divisions will dissolve and 9 Armored/Mechanised Brigades will be renamed as Strike Brigades each composed of 2 tank Battalions and 2 Mech. Infantry Battalions, instead of 2/1 and 1/2, meaning among other thinks that two or three Brigades will close (propably the 34th and the 24th) but their tank/infantry/artillery units will just be transferred to the new Strike formations...It's a mess... Finally, you are right the Marines Armoured Squadron (3η ΙΜΑ) and the Marines Armor Company (ΙΜΑ) are the same the first being the correct. Papastis (talk) 21:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bulgarian military

Hey, I saw you needed some more info about the structural organization of the Bulgarian army. Its hard to find such even here, because our ministry of defence classifies most of the information on the military, but here is some info that can probably help you:

  • Ranks
  • Main services are:
    • Liaison brigade - responsible for communications, currently that is 62nd Liaison Brigade (62-ra svarzochna brigada)
    • Logistics brigade - responsible for logistics, 110th Logistics Support Brigade, or simply The Logistics Brigade (110-a brigada za logistichna podkrepa)
    • Joint Operative Command - responsible for organizing different sorts of operations, including overseas, training, planning, etc.
    • Land forces
      • 61th Stryamska Mechanized Brigade (elite land forces) - Karlovo
      • 68th Brigade (elite land forces)
      • 9th Armored Brigade (tank forces, T-72 equipped) - Gorna Banya
      • 13th Armored Brigade (tank forces, T-55 equipped, training) - Sliven
      • 101st Mountain Brigade (alpine infantry) - Smolyan, Ardino, Momchilgrad
      • 301st Rocket Batallion (tactical missile forces, SS-21 equipped)
      • 5th Shipchenska Mechanized Brigade (elite land forces) - Kazanlak
      • 4th Artillery Brigade (artillery forces) - Asenovgrad
      • others
    • Air Force
      • Krumovo Air Base
      • Vrazhdebna Air Base
      • Bezmer Air Base
      • Graf Ignatievo Air Base
    • Navy
    • Military Information Service
    • Military Police Service
    • Military Medical Academy (Sofia) - medical support

- Tourbillon A ? 19:09, 24 July 2008 (UTC) I hope some of it will be useful to you.[reply]

OrBat diagrams

I'm curious... how exactly are you creating these? Do you have some kind of software, or are you drawing these diagrams by hand? Either way, keep up the good work. bahamut0013♠♣ 03:10, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd appreciate that. How many do you have that aren't shown on APP-6A? You should be able to send me an email via Wikipedia, I'll reply, and then you can attach the graphics (I don't want to make my email address visible to other users). bahamut0013♠♣ 13:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, can you re-send it? I had my filters up and my email blocked it automatically. bahamut0013♠♣ 13:45, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You asked me about USMC orbats... Image:4th US Marine Division.png has a discrepancy, probably because 4th Marine Division (United States) had one: The Force Reconnaissance companies fall under the command element of the Marine Forces Reserve, rather than the ground combat element (the 4th Division). In fact, all four MEF images (I MEF, II MEF, III MEF, and MFR) lack the MEF Headquarters Group units (intelligence battalions, communications battalions, radio (electronic warfare) battalions, ANGLICOs, Force Recon, Chemical Biological Incident Response Force and the civil affairs groups). bahamut0013♠♣ 16:33, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm told that the Civil Affairs groups are actually closer to battalion sized, and are organized more like an understrength battalion rather than an overstrength company. The articles don't provide a clear distinction, at least not to me. My advice is to go with a battalion-size symbol.
As far as the Force Recon unit... I'm really not sure. I talked to a friend real quick, and it seems they were converted into a subordinate of the division recon battalion... I would put them as a subordinate if I showed them at all. Cheers! bahamut0013♠♣ 11:39, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I thought I'd finally get around to some more in depth look at the Marine Aircraft charts, but Looper5920 beat me to it. He's right: some of the squadrons were named (ar at least abbreviated) wrong, as well as some of the assignments totally out of whack. Luckily, I have something to help you: Template:1stMAW Template:2ndMAW Template:3rdMAW Template:4thMAW I try to update those about once a month, because squadrons sometimes get shuffled within groups. bahamut0013♠♣ 03:19, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks great! One caveat: Image:4th US Marine Aircraft Wing.png, and specifically, Marine Air Control Group 48... 4th LAAD was deactivated (I dunno why it was still on the article's list, but I've fixed it), and VMU-4 is still many months away from being activated. I would remove it for now, until we get a more firm date for thier stand-up. I'm going to ask Looper to keep you in the loop (no pun intended) because he always seems to find out about USMC units activating, deactivating, and moving before I do. Hopefully, he can be a good asset for you. bahamut0013♠♣ 18:50, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty sure it was just an accident, but you put most of these squadrons as company-size instead of battalion-size. bahamut0013♠♣ 22:14, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'm afraid that I'm going to have to insist on battlion-sized dymbols. They are organized as battalion-sized and treated as battalion-sized in every respect. The number of people is lower just due to the mission and equipment, but a single squadron of anywhere from five to a dozen aircraft projects as much power as a battalion of infantry or artillery, it just is projected by a dozen or so pilots instead of a hundred grunts.
If you feel stringly about keeping them as company-sized symbols, I'd like to see the previous discussion. bahamut0013♠♣ 17:08, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK, when you find it, I'll throw the whole weight of my charm and intellect behind the discussion. When that meager effort doesn't work, maybe I'll upload a picture of me crying. Cheers! bahamut0013♠♣ 18:04, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Great. Let me know if anyone objects so we all can discuss it. bahamut0013♠♣ 23:07, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not that I can think of, but I will let you know if I come up with anything later. Thanks for all that hard work! bahamut0013♠♣ 15:57, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He fallado clase de español en la escuela secundaria ... Tengo que usar Google. bahamut0013♠♣ 16:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The best joke is that my previous post means "I failed high school spanish class... used Google Translate." ;P bahamut0013♠♣ 23:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

November 2008

How are you doing? It's been a while since we last spoke. I have some new orbat changes for you: Image:2nd US Marine Aircraft Wing.png needs to have HMH-366 and HMLA-467, these new squadrons have stood up in the last month. Cheers! bahamut0013♠♣ 14:29, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ciao

Ho visto che una volta facevi parte degli alpini. Il fatto mi rende felice perche durante il corso alla SMALP (1994) mi sono trovato deliziosamente all mio agio. Riservo, anche in questo distante momento, le impressioni migliori sugli alpini. Avrei bisongo del tua aiuto. Ultimamente, da quando abbiamo un po' "rifatto" le pagine sulle Forze Armate Albanesi, mi sono un po' "congedato", ritornando solo per qualche reinfresco in foto o qualche importante informazione. Ho notato pero', che qualcuno (molto probabilmente qualcuno che sta' nelle forze armate ma forse anche qualche serbo/qualche comunicazione in pessimo albanese me lo fa pensare) ha cancellato delle imagini. Siccome non mi definirei esperto in materia "report", alla fine dei conti Wikipedia per me e' un significato di transparenza ed informazine e non un lavoro di polizia, avrei bisogno di sapere come fare ad ripristinare le vechie imagini. E' posibile visto la tua esperienza? Ti ringrazio. Sinceramente Gerd —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerd 72 (talk • contribs) 11:42, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

29th Combat Aviation Brigade

About your edits to that section of the 29th Infantry Division, you are using an outdated, pre-transformation structure (example: the 3-126th AVN is now in the 42nd Infantry Division, 1-158th Cav is not an Aviation unit anymore, the North Carolina attack battalion is in the 38th Division and is equipped with Apaches).

I am in the 29th Combat Aviation Brigade and can send you an unclassified slide showing the current structure of the 29th Combat Aviation Brigade.

-Agamemnon_b5. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agamemnon b5 (talk • contribs) 00:51, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Danke schon. Thank you for your help. Best —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerd 72 (talk • contribs) 07:02, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Learn something new everyday. Thanks for the info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agamemnon b5 (talk • contribs) 11:33, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Justin

He is on a wikibreak ATM after the Gibraltar stress. I'd suggest pointing it out to ANI or just mass reverting. The damage done to the article outweights the random addition of poorly cited sources. Narson (talk) 11:26, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Military history of Italy during World War II

Thanks for your thoughts on the above. I've responded on my Talk page. Stephen Kirrage talk - contribs 14:42, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Generalmesse returns

I'll have a look. Thanks for letting me know. Prob a new SSP case will be necessary. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 18:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AN/I

It doesn't appear that anyone has yet notified you that there is an entry concerning you at WP:ANI Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (talk / cont) 07:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (talk / cont) 19:47, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've made a rather large edit to the AN regarding your... scandal, I suppose is the correct word. I did not mention it there (didn't really notice until after I'd posted), but I would like to admonish against your so obviously accusing your accuser of sockpuppetry. While the accusation on its own merits seems reasonable, to accuse your accuser of wrongdoing smacks of character assassination, and could be simply dismissed on that basis. If you have any further thoughts on that, my advice is to be more discreet, possibly by handing the information off to another user and recusing yourself from further involvement. But that, of course, is up to you; I trust your judgement. bahamut0013♠♣ 22:53, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

36th Infantry Division

Currently, the 39th BCT, 36th Infantry Division is identified as being Arizona National Guard. It should be Arkansas National Guard. http://www.arguard.org/docs/unit_structure.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agamemnon b5 (talk • contribs) 01:06, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New sockpuppet report on User:Generalmesse

Hello Noclador. Regarding your new sockpuppet report, there is not yet any evidence of actual abuse by the new editors. It's hard to block somebody just because they offer a point of view that defends the performance of the Italian forces. I see that there is some critique of including too much data about battalion-level actions. If it could be shown that the new editors are preventing agreement on a well-balanced account of this battle, that would give us more to work with. If you could get the agreement of User:Kirrages that these accounts are probably sockpuppets, that would make a difference. I see him as making a serious effort to create balance in the First battle of El Alamein article. EdJohnston (talk) 17:34, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Alpini ISAF.jpg

Are you certain these soldiers are with the ISAF (the Afghanistan force?) and not in Iraq or Lebanon? The writing on the wall is in Arabic (tr: I kiss 122mm) and not Pashto/Dari/etc. --NEMT (talk) 21:32, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1st Armored Division (United States)

Hello. I noticed that you changed the SSI of the 1st Armored Division (United States) page, from the "Old Ironsides" patch to an emblem with "ready first." I think that you made a mistake in doing this, because "ready first" is the motto of 1st Brigade, 1st Armored Division and you may have unintentionally put its DUI on the page, because I can't find any sources stating that the division's patch has been changed. Just wanted to see if I am mistaken or not. -Ed!(talk)(Hall of Fame) 01:32, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Very nice job with the Images! Yeah, the other armored divisions actually don't have names...they're just the same triangle design with a different number. The only exception to this I believe is the 49th Armored Division (United States) which goes by "Lone * Star" -Ed!(talk)(Hall of Fame) 15:08, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Special Forces List

Hey dude. If you look on the talk page you'll see that there was a warning made some time ago for all un-referenced items to be referenced. I understand that people spend valuable time on here but all additions must be referenced and so, their deletion does constitute being labled as vandalism (Archangel1 (talk) 21:19, 17 August 2008 (UTC)).[reply]

No problem talk:Noclador but Wikipedia rules are that they to be referenced and a moderator will delete them if they see it. Happy editing (Archangel1 (talk) 21:28, 17 August 2008 (UTC)).[reply]

Stop adding items with no references. It is breech of Wiki policy. If you continue, you'll be reported to a moderator and blocked. Final Warning. (Archangel1 (talk) 12:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)).[reply]

Outstanding Work!

 The WikiChevrons 
I, Ed!, award you, Noclador, your third award of Wikichevrons for your astounding image contributions, including what is now over 200 different coats of arms and SSI for various military units, as well as over 100 OrBat graphics. Ed!(talk)(Hall of Fame) 02:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unrecognised State militaries - Abkhazia

I do wonder whether you also include unrecognised states' militaries into your work. Having skimmed through the Russian wiki, I came upon a more or less "elaborate" structural description of the Abkhazian Army. Thing is that I cannot certify that the information is fully correct, as the Abkhazians do not reveal their data in public. And also because Abkhazia is not recognised as a sovereign state. However, it does have an army, and according to the Russian Wikipedia and some Russian sources, here's what it consists of:

  • 3 "motor rifle" brigades, each with 3-4 "motor rifle" battalions and one tank battalion
  • 1 artillery regiment
  • 1 engineer battalion
  • 1 "mountain sharpshooters" battalion
  • 1 "joint arms" training regiment
  • Sukhum(i) military academy
  • 3 Patrol boat units (part of the navy)

Then there is some disparity in between the Russian wiki article and the Russian sources. The Russian wikipedia article lists an additional: 1 reconaissance battalion, 2-3 air defence battalions. The Russian source lists an additional: 1 marine infantry battalion (part of the navy).

There are no structural descriptions for the air force. Russoswiss (talk) 00:34, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I've put the table into the Military of Abkhazia article, both English and Russian language articles. Russoswiss (talk) 13:11, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another Graphic...

Hello again. I just saw another image that you could assist with. The insignia of the I Armored Corps is the same as the ones that you created before, except that it has an "I" instead of a number. I figured it would be easiest for you to do since you made the other ones, any way. Could you make this one? Thanks, -Ed!(talk)(Hall of Fame) 03:02, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Israel Air & Space Arm

Well, lets try to form a structure, before it's too late. ;-)

  • Air & Space Arm
    • Chief of Arm Staff Group // the term Group is used here instead of Directorate
    • Air Group
    • Air Group for Helicopters
    • Intelligence Group
      • Technical Service for Intelligence Unit // VISINT unit
    • Equipment Group
      • Unit #22 - Air Maintenance Unit
      • "Ofeq/Horizon" unit // C4I of the air force
    • Manpower Group
    • Air Defense Command
      • 5 Air Defense Regiments (167th - 171th), consist of at least 25-26 heavy SAM batteries (17 I-HAWK, 6 Patriot, including some PAC3, 2-3 Arrow) and ~70 light SAM launchers overall.
      • Air Defense School
    • Control Units Command
    • Special Air Forces Command
      • "Shaldag/Kingfisher" unit - special commando unit of the air force
      • Unit #669 - heliborne rescue and combat medevac unit
    • Chief Medical Officer Command
      • Air Medicine Unit // flight fitness of anyone who flies
    • Ramat David (1st air-wing)
      • 109th Squadron ("The Valley Squadron") - operating F-16D
      • 110th Squadron ("The Knights of North Squadron") - operating F-16C
      • 117th Squadron ("The 1st Jet Squadron") - operating F-16C
      • 193th Squadron ("The Defenders of th West") - operating Eurocopter Panther // joint command with the navy
    • Sdot Micha (2nd air-wing) - According to unofficial publications only, we can't really know what is there, if any.
      • 150th Squadron of IRBM missiles
      • 199th Squadron of IRBM missiles
      • 248th Squadron of IRBM missiles
    • Hatzor (4th air-wing)
      • 101th Squadron ("The 1st Combat Squadron") operating F-16C
      • 105th Squadron ("The Scorpion Squadron") operating F-16D
      • 144th res. Squadron ("The Phoenix Squadron") - capable of operating F-16A/B
      • 147th res. Squadron ("The Goring Ram Squadron") - capable of operating A-4
      • 149th res. Squadron ("The Crushing Parrot Squadron") - capable of operating Kfir
      • 254th res. Squadron ("The Midland Squadron") - capable of operating Kfir
      • 113th Squadron ("The Hornet Squadron") - operating AH-64D
    • Hatzerim (6th air-base)
      • 69th Squadron ("The Hammers Squadron") - operating F-15I
      • 102th Squadron ("The Flying Tiger Squadron") - operating A-4 and various trainer aircraft // Flight Training School
        • Aerobatics Team operating AMIT Fouga Magister
      • 107th Squadron ("The Knights of the Orange Tail Squadron") - operating F-16I
      • 123th Squadron ("The Desert Birds Squadron") - operating S-70
      • Air force Infantry School // light infantry to defend the IAF bases
    • Tel-Nof (8th air-base)
      • 106th Squadron ("The Head of the Spear Squadron") operating F-15B/C/D
      • 133th Squadron ("The Twin-Tail Knights Squadron") - operating F-15A/B/D
      • 114th Squadron ("The Night Guides Squadron") - operating CH-53
      • 118th Squadron ("The Nocturnal Owls Squadron") - operating CH-53
      • 601th Squadron (Flight Testing Center Squadron) - testing F-15, F-16
    • Uvda (10th air-base)
      • 115th Squadron ("The Flying Dragon Squadron") operating F-16A, AH-1, and more // Aggressor emulation squadron
      • Aviation School // for flight inspectors, controllers... not pilots.
      • IAF Officers School // after completing BAHAD 1
    • Sde-Dov (15th air-wing)
      • 125th res. Squadron ("The Light Choppers Squadron") - capable of operating Bell-206
      • 100th Squadron ("The Flying Camel Squadron") - operating Beechcraft King Air
      • 135th Squadron ("The Kings of the Air Squadron") - operating Beechcraft King Air and Beechcraft Bonanza
      • 192th res. Squadron ("The Hawk Eye Squadron") - capable of operating E-2
    • Haifa (21th air-base)
      • Technical School
      • IAF Technological College //main campus
    • Ramon (25th air-wing)
      • 119th Squadron ("The Bat Squadron") - operating F-16I
      • 201th Squadron ("The One Squadron") - operating F-16I
      • 253th Squadron ("The Negev Squadron") - operating F-16I
      • 190th Squadron ("The Magic Touch Squadron) - operating AH-64
    • Nevatim (28th air-base)
      • 116th Squadron ("The Defenders of the South Squadron") - operating F-16A/B
      • 140th Squadron ("The Golden Eagle") - operating F-16A/B
      • 103th Squadron ("The Elephants Squadron") - operating C-130
      • 120th Squadron ("The International Squadron") - operating Boeing 707 and SeaScan (SeaScan may be pulled out)
      • 122th Squadron ("The Nahshon Squadron") - operating Gulfstream G550
      • 131th Squadron ("The Knights of the Yellow Bird") - operating C-130
    • Palmachim (30th air-base)
      • 124th Squadron ("The Rolling Sword Squadron") - operating S-70
      • 160th Squadron ("The 1st Helicopter Gunships Squadron") - operating AH-1
      • 161th res. Squadron ("The Northern Cobras Squadron") - capable of operating AH-1
      • 200th Squadron ("The 1st UAV Squadron") - operating Heron UAV and maybe other UAVs
      • 166th Squadron ("The 2nd UAV Squadron") - operating Hermes 450 UAVs
      • 151th Squadron (Missile Testing Unit Squadron)

I'll let you know when it is done. :) Flayer (talk) 15:54, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Well, it it obviously incomplete, but I don't thing I'll be able to find some more structure-related data. Maybe some squadrons' badges, if you like:) Flayer (talk) 16:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Great work! I'll check the details later. Flayer (talk) 16:05, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Units and Structure minor details:

  • 4 yellow stars should represent IDF CoS, 3 stars represent Aluf, 2 stars represent brigadier general, single star for colonel (just like in IDF land-based structure). The one-and-only aluf in IAF is the IAF commander, so all groups should have only 2 stars. Air-defense command should have 2 stars, but other commands should have only one star. Air-base and air-wing are not exactly the same term here. Generally speaking, air-wing may have only flight squadrons and an airfield, but air-base definitely has more then that (maybe special forces, maybe special hangars, maybe SAM batteries...). Ramat David (1st air-wing), Sdot Micha (2nd air-wing), Hatzor (4th air-wing), Hatzerim (6th air-base) and so on should be kept. You can't say that 6th air-wing is located in Hatzerim airbase, because there is no 6th air-wing there - Hatzerim itself is a 6th airbase.
  • Hatzerim (6th air-base), Tel-Nof (8th air-base), Uvda (10th air-base), Nevatim (28th air-base), and Palmachim (30th air-base) definitely have more then just squadrons. They are headed by brigadier generals and should have two stars. All the other are air-wings headed by colonels and should stay with one star. Haifa (21th air-base) is an exception - it isn't an air-wing, it has no squadrons, I assume it is headed by a colonel. Ah, and there is another reserve airbase, called Machanaim, located in Ben Ya'akov Airport. It has no squadrons, and probably headed by a colonel or less.
  • IMHO, names of cities and towns in brackets doesn't help to understand where do these airbases stand. Neither Hazerim nor Nevatim are in Beer Sheva. Nevatim actually closer to Dimona, and Ramon is far away from Beer Sheva in a middle-of-nowhere in the desert. Palmachim is not in Yavne, actually it is very much larger then town of Yavne (BTW, Palmachim itself has a spaceport! Worth to notice? We are talking about "Air and Space Arm", remember? :-) ). Ramat David is obviously much closer to tiny Ramat David than to well-known city of Haifa, just like Hatzor is located near tiny Hatzor, and so on...
  • 122nd sqn. uses their specially modified Gulfstream aircraft for ELINT and AEW&C (not for transportation of troops or supplies). Worth to notice? 192nd res. sqn. is also for AEW&C only.
  • 193rd sqn. helicopters are capable of landing on Israeli missile corvettes and perform in anti-ship / anti-submarine role. When they do so, they subordinate to the navy. Worth to notice?
  • 601st sqn. (flight test center) doesn't necessarily tests (fly on) F-16s, but any IAF aircraft. Just keep it blank.
  • 131st sqn. - typo (bracket).
  • 133rd sqn. - typo (F-15A/B/D).
  • 115th sqn. (opposing forces emulation squadron) has some ground installation for their role - modifiable fake SAM batteries or something like that (emulation of opposing forces' air defense).
  • Each active airbase (not necessarily each air-wing) has 3 additional no-fly squadrons: 'maintaining squadron', 'aviation squadron', and 'administration squadron'.
    • Hi, according to the feedback I get, airwings (and Haifa airbase) also has maintaining squadrons, aviation squadrons, and administration squadrons. Except 2nd airwing (it's a kind of area 51, nobody can tell what is there). Flayer (talk) 13:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


to be continued... Flayer (talk) 13:52, 9 September 2008 (UTC) OK :) Flayer (talk) 16:43, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's all, probably. :-) Flayer (talk) 19:31, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

P.S


Excellent! Now only navy remains. :-) Flayer (talk) 10:42, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Typo: 107th Squadron has F-16I, not F-15I. Flayer (talk) 17:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, again. I still have some negative feedback about some details.

  • Those 7 reserve squadrons (125th, 144th, 147th, 149th, 161st, 254th, and 192nd) seem to be somewhere between totally inactive and completely disbanded, and in in any case no way tied to its former aircraft and bases, though they may be revived in any IAF base with any kind of aircraft that Israel would purchase someday. Therefore they might be presented in the structure image in some way (in a single branch, maybe) without mentioning its base or its aircraft.
  • It seems like only three air-defense regiment remained in the Air-Defense Command: Northern, Central, and Southern/air-defense school. Sorry about the mess. Flayer (talk) 21:50, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ah, the Shaldag SF unit's number appears to be 5101. Flayer (talk) 09:16, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, did you notice the above? Flayer (talk) 18:30, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent! I also been thinking, maybe the right image for 'aviation squadrons' would be the one with a radar-like icon. Not sure. Flayer (talk) 08:20, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Bruno

Hi buddy, while looking for something else, I stumbled across the edit history for Greco-Italian War, which I see you have edited quite a bit. Just FYI, I can tell you that the following "editors" from that article are all definitely our friend Bruno:

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Response from RekonDog

This is referring to your question to User:Bahamut0013 about 5th Force Recon Company. Since 3rd Recon Bn is not largely manpowered as the other Recon Battalions, 5th FORECON supports that Recon Battalion when needed. It is mainly due because that the 31st MEU is the only MEU in support of the III MEF. Although 5th FORECON is already a Company that has 'Deep Recon' missions as well as Direct Action. They will embark their Deep Recon Platoons, or DRPs (which are the 5th and 6th Plts-which we Force Recon Operators call the "Drips") to help support the MEU as well - even though they support the MEU already. It just helps the 31st MEU establish their Special Operations Capability certification that the Fleet Marine Force requires of the forward deployed Marines. But recently, they had totally dissolved in the 3rd Force Recon Battalion, to create their DRP Platoon. So moreorless, being 'folded' is obsolete on terminology. They practically made 5th FORECON still in existence but somewhat a 'ghost' Company that is "also" Bravo Company within 3rd Recon Battalion. The Marine Corps is a fully forward deployed organiztion so it is very hard to follow when it comes to their heirarchy, especially nowadays. All of the Force Recon Companies were/are directly subordinated under the Fleet Marine Force, hence the word "Force" in their namesake. They operate in the boundaries of the FMF-level missions that are attachable at the joint-Navy/Marines' expense. It may sound confusing...

If you have any other questions that pertain to the Marines' Recon Battalions and Force Recon Companies, go ahead and forward any inquiries to me...I am to blame for confusing you on that article-from which I am the one that submitted all of the opening paragraphs, Mission, History and Training. Once a while back I had the organization page all inscribed on that article but I had to delete it because I was having disputes in creating tables! But Bahamut0013 is my wiki mentor, and my only contact that I use besides one other wikipedian!
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Request

Hi Noclador! Wikipedia 0.7 will soon be out on DVD, and the IDF main article has been selected to be part of it, which means it will almost certainly include your detailed structure. I am asking, if you have time, to fix some mistakes. Here are the ones I found so far:

  1. Manpower Directorate: The Medical Corps is now part of the Technological and Logistics Directorate, and not the Manpower Directorate
  2. Manpower Directorate: There's no corps called NCO Corps, instead it is called Adjutant Corps (and Adjutant School)
  3. Manpower Directorate: The Military Police School (Bahad 13) is a battalion-level unit, not a brigade-level. Prison Four and Prison Six are also battalion-level. The Investigations Unit (please change to either Criminal Investigations Division or Investigating Military Police) is a brigade-level unit, while the Yamlam is battalion-level. The Yamlat (traffic supervision) is between company-level and battalion-level (not sure what the international equivalent is - it has 2 companies and the commander is a major).
  4. Regional commands: The Logistics Regiment (should be Logistics Support Unit) is reservist-only (should be clarified) brigade-level (one star) unit, and all units in it are only active during an emergency (war). There are three (3) Logistics Support Units in the Northern Command (Northern Golan - 5001st Unit; Lebanon - 5002nd Unit; Southern Golan - 5003rd Unit), one (1) in the Central Command (5004th Unit), and two (2) in the Southern Command (Gaza - 5005th Unit; South - 5006th Unit).
  5. GOC Army Headquarters: Havat HaShomer is subordinate to the Education and Youth Corps, not Magal
  6. Lastly, the commander symbols you used seem incorrect on the whole - you have 1 star for brigade-level, 3 lines for regiment-level, 2 lines for battalion-level, and 1 line for company-level. However, there are no regiments in the IDF, and there is a level between battalion and company. Some of the regiment-level units you listed are actually brigade-level (like the Logistics Support Unit), while some (like Sayeret Matkal) are battalion-level. I can help you with identifying some of those.

Please try to fix these :) if you can't do this anytime soon, let me know and I will try to emulate your entire chart in CorelDRAW and make the necessary changes.

Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 12:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ynhockey, are you sure about the Medical Corps? Medical Corps was a part of AKA/AMASH, then in became a part ATAL/ALRAM, but ALRAM became ATAL back again and the corps moved back. Are you sure that Medical corps remained in ATAL? Adjutant Corps - agreed, MP - agreed, 6 new ALMARs - agreed, Havat HaShomer - agreed, medium/low level commander symbols - agreed (artillery brigades still called regiments :-P). Flayer (talk) 20:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fairly certain that it's part of Atal right now. Since the recent mumbo-jumbo in the IDF's organization though (Halutz vs. Ashkenazi - moving everything, then moving it back), it's hard to certainly confirm or source this. I could ask a friend from the corps if you don't trust my current knowledge :) On a side note, you are both invited to check my IDF idea box - I am especially interested in Noclador's opinion, as someone who has not been personally close to the IDF. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 20:46, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I won't ask for a source. :-D 99% of the trash sites around IDF never heard of the recent moving/removing-naming/renaming mess. Now I'll take a look on the idea. Flayer (talk) 21:02, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I also found something. Desert recon. btn. and probably "Caracal" light infantry btn. use wheeled transportation. Flayer (talk) 20:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I made the update - I hope I understood the changes to the Logistic Support Units correctly. --noclador (talk) 21:55, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the update and the e-mail! There's still a problem with the Logistics Supprt Units - the ones I told you about are the only ones that exist (there are no non-reserve logistics support units), so putting them near the command's main box, and then putting another one at the bottom, gives the impression that there are logistics support units in the regular service under the commands. The 5005th unit is actually called "Southwest" by the way (but operates in Gaza); apologies for not making it clear earlier. By the way, you can send the PSD (although I was hoping for a vector format) to ynhockey at gmail dot com. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 18:57, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Due to the new placement for the Logistics Support Units, it seems like there are no space constraints, so you can add 'territorial' (i.e. Territorial Logistics Support Unit). On a side note, when I have time I'll check for you about other reserve units - can't remember them off the top of my head, but it's likely that quite a few other units on your chart are actually reservist. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 19:00, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

P.P.S. The Hebrew Wikipedia says that the Alpinist Unit is battalion-level. Of course, we can't be sure. However, if you don't have a source saying otherwise, I think HeWiki is believable in this regard. Also, the Caracal Battalion is surobdinate to the Sagi Territorial Brigade in the Southern Command. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 21:04, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Generalmesse is back

I see he appears to be using an IP sockpuppet [2], worth a sock puppet report? The IP resolves to Australia but not to a particular city. Justin talk 08:33, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

38th Infantry Division

Greetings.

After a glance at the 38th Combat Aviation Brigade I've noticed a few inaccuracies with it. I have no idea how to do graphics or edit a page with sources so I'll tell someone who knows what they are doing.

Current structure:

HHC 38th CAB - Indiana National Guard 1st Battalion (Attack), 130th Aviaiton Regiment - North Carolina National Guard 2nd Battalion (S&S), 151st Aviaition Regiment - South Carolina/Virginia/Florida/North Carolina/Georgia/Alabama National Guard 1st Battalion (Assault) 137th Aviation Regiment - Ohio/Indiana National Guard 3rd Battalion (GSAB), 238th Aviation Regiment - Michigan/Deleware/Ohio/New Hampshire/Indiana National Guard 638th Aviation Support Battalion - Indiana/Ohio/North Carolina/Indiana/Massachusetts National Guard

As for sources: This is from the second of three slides detailing the National Guard's Aviation Transformation. It is unclassified (but from a password protected site so I can't link to it). Can I send you the various things I have directly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agamemnon b5 (talk • contribs) 16:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Orbat graphics (again)

Hi again! You gave me a link a while ago to the legend to your OrBat graphics, but I can't find it in my talk archives :( can you please give the link again? Thanks! -- Ynhockey (Talk) 22:51, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think you linked me to a PDF last time, but APP-6A is pretty much exactly what I was looking for :) Thanks! I hope you don't take offense to this, but I'm trying to replicate your IDF graphic in vector format (no idea how you work on this stuff in raster format...), so that I'll be able to fix mistakes more easily (which I already found quite a bit of, doing some research). If you want, I'll send you what I've done so far. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 10:32, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Possible sockpuppet?

Cheers! It's been a while since we last spoke. I need some advice based on your experience with sockpuppetry, specifically, whether you think this user is a potential problem or not.

I've come across a user that for some reason, piqued my curiosity. I can't honestly say what it was, but I was a bit suspicious... and then I checked his contributions. He created an account and made one edit in 2006, a few more a year later, some more many months later, and all of the sudden a bunch of edits in the last week. That alone doesn't make me suspicious, but then I looked closer at those edits: they don't seem like a typical beginner edits. He's making good use of piped links, talk pages, created and developed a user page, uses Friendly, and has a very strong grasp of Wikipedia's internal processes: enough to successfly get pages deleted, vote on featured articles, and tag articles for cleanup. I dunno bout you, but I didn't learn all of that in a hundred edits over a week. This makes me think that this was a sleeper account recently "awaken".

What do you think? bahamut0013♠♣ 19:39, 24 October 2008


Hellenic Air Force

Here is a link that presents the current orgasization in english [3], and in greek [4]. I am not sure if you are interested also in graphics of Air Forces, but if so I think it will be helpful. Papastis (talk) 10:30, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Hi, Noclador, in the following days I intent to rewrite the history section of the article about the Hellenic Army based in a variety of sources. One of them in particular is a book published by the Hellenic Army's History Department entitled History of the Hellenic Army 1912-1997. It has some graphics conserning the organization of the Army in different chronologies (1926,1939,1940,1941,1946,1950,1967,1974), would you be interested in recreating those, if of course you had the time? Thanks for your time anyway. Papastis (talk) 15:37, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Canadian forces

hey,

for lfca and 33 brigade the comunication regiments have now joined the actual land enviroment so they are now included in the brigade and are not support units

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