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Merging Eco-socialism and Red Greens articles

Hi all,

I think the Red Greens article should be merged into this article, Eco-socialism. As far as I can see, the articles are virtually identical, except that Eco-socialism is further developed. The Eco-socialism page already redirects from and refers to Green socialism, so it is natural, in my opinion, that Red Greens should redirect here.

Eco-Socialism is essentially a better term describing the ideology that combines socialism and green politics - eco-socialists would likely call themselves Red Greens or Green Reds, so it should be merged with the ideology to be more coherent.

What do you all think? If no-one has a problem (or no-one replies), I will merge the articles after 5 days.

--Aled Dilwyn Fisher 12:54, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I support your proposal -- so long as the merger incorporates all non-duplicated material from Red Greens, in particular the Red/Blue Greens contrast. -- Picapica 20:57, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Support, as long as blue greens are merged into eco-capitalism as well. --C mon 22:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Picapica - I will make sure the Red/Blue contrast is included. C Mon, I support the merging of Blue Greens and Eco-capitalism, but I wonder if there are a few other pages that perhaps should be merged into Eco-capitalism as well, like Natural Capitalism - what do you think? --Aled Dilwyn Fisher 11:10, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd discuss those changes on those talk pages. --C mon 11:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all - as about 5 days have passed without any objections, I will now merge the pages. Please give me more feedback on the merger I make (it's my first merger!)... Aled Dilwyn Fisher 15:22, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed it so Red Green and Red green both go to the disambiguation page and not here (in line with WP:DAB) especially as there is no meaningful distinction here. Red greens is probably still OK as the others aren't countable.

Also, I love the watermelon thing (but it is making me want to eat one now—the fruit obviously). I thought it sounded questionable but it does seem to be used on the WWW quite a bit. It's not in the OED, but I found a dictionary entry with some RL sources if someone wants to add a reference. Continuing the fruit analogy, do you call someoene who starts off as a Green but starts to become socialist too a pepper? I think I may bit a bit of a pepper. I digress.

Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _talk _contrib 20:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Watermelon

When did people first start referring to red-greens as "watermelons"? Harvestdancer 18:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kovel

Huge amounts of this article refer not to eco-socialism, but just to Kovel. Where whole sections refer only to Kovel's views, these should either be supplemented/replaced by other eco-socialists, or moved to Kovel's own article. BobFromBrockley 14:51, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

-I agree to an extent, but Kovel is the chief person who has written about Eco-socialism and is like Marx to socialism/communism, so is likely to be referenced a hell of a lot. He is the only one who has really talked about eco-socialist transition, so to remove it would take out the main author on the subject and most of the main ideas. I will try to supplement it but recommend not removing it at this stage Aled Dilwyn Fisher 15:11, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am not so sure. If Kovel's views diverge from other ecosocialists, then that should be discussed. As Aled points out, He and Lowy are the major figures in eocsocialism (even in the English-speaking world, citations of the two are quite similar with regard to the topic). --Duncan 13:27, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Section titles

The section and subsection titles are, for the most part, much longer than they need to be, and, as a result, they make the table of contents unwieldy. How about if they are edited down to something reasonable and manageable? ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 22:09, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Help to expand Agrarian socialism article

Anyone with the time or inclination...please help to expand the article on agrarian socialism, which is related to eco-socialism but has important differences. Thanks. --172.132.78.19 (talk) 00:37, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]