Talk:Allah

Suggestion for censors of this article

I strongly recommend that certain Islamic users vandalize this article. This provides an ideal method to protect the article and prevent the insertion of what they regard as objectionable.--71.108.12.39 (talk) 02:15, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

I think we've patiently answered your comments above quite sufficiently. You haven't been able to find anything substantial in the reliable sources. Extreme minority views need not be covered, and I note from above you have been trying to press for this tendentious inclusion from a number of different angles. Please obtain consensus on any edits before re-inserting them. Thank you. ITAQALLAH 02:46, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

You hadn't participated in the discussion when a Reuters source was presented. Furthermore, we know Allah is the Islamic god; Reuters doesn't have to say Allah. "Extreme minority views" is untrue when this is all over the media.--71.108.12.39 (talk) 03:22, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

I am confident that some Islamic users will support you despite the vagueness and nonsensical nature of your objections.--71.108.12.39 (talk) 03:26, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

I think you meant Muslim, not "Islamic". ناهد^𒀭(^dAnāhita) ^𒅴 07:50, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

It is possible to be a non-Muslim supporter of Islam; then one becomes "Islamic."--71.108.12.39 (talk) 09:17, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

As the article makes clear, "Allah" is the Arabic word for God. It's a term used by Arab Christians, Muslims, and many people of other religions. The article says nothing about Allah, rather the Muslim conception of God. God in Islam would be the correct article, not this one. This article isn't the place for extreme minority views, which themselves are irrelevant to the article topic. ITAQALLAH 20:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the issue is complicated by the fact that Allah is the Arabic word for "God" and not limited to Muslims. I suppose we could straw-poll a move to either the Name of God in Arabic and slightly restructure the article to reflect this change or - which I find not particularly attractive - to God in Islam with notes on the top of the page indicating the word "Allah" is used by non-Muslims, etc. I mean, in standard Persian people use Arabic (or Hebrew or Avestan) phrases sometimes, but when people talk about God, they use Khodå "Lord" < Pahl. x^wada:y. I am informed this is also common in other Persian languages and the Indic languages as well for Muslims.

I dunno, it's a confusing decision about how to make an appropriate topic. :-( The use "Name of God in Arabic" would reduce article harassment, I think, and be a better use of the encyclopedia. ناهد^𒀭(^dAnāhita) ^𒅴 21:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

As far as I know, this move was already performed by Aminz i.e. this article is about the word Allah (and, as such, those who use it; which includes Muslims and non-Muslims); and God in Islam is specifically about the Muslim conception of God. ITAQALLAH 21:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism is against the policies of Wikipedia, and use to cause a fast block of the vandal in question. So recommending vandalism is bad behavior, to say the least. Beside that, I believe "certain Islamic users" wo'nt follow your advice, so you either have to do it by yourself, or abstain, in a fit of unexpected common sense. Said: Rursus (☻) 15:29, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

One-sided demands

I have produced many sources which state Allah's nature and origin. The ones opposing my edits continue to blank out info. I consider them lazy and demand Web links from the other side.

Please elaborate why you so vehemently want to suppress information with lame excuses. Why don't you make a genuine contribution to improve this article?--71.108.12.39 (talk) 09:23, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Number 71.108.12.39 is probably right – in general rewrites or adding [citation needed] ({{fact}}), or [clarify] ({{huh}}) should be preferred before reverts and blank-outs. Otherwise the improvement process may stall, and a bad state of the article may remain infinitely. Said: Rursus (☻) 15:33, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Pictures

The text seems pretty good to me, but I wonder whether the pictures chosen for the article are good examples, or representative examples of calligraphy of the word Allah. The first one is great, but the photo of the Hagia Sophia medaillon has a very poor quality, and the photo of the wall of the Eski Cami and the "simple Arabic calligraphy" are not particularly pleasant to the eyes. As Arabic and Islamic arts have produced a lot of amazingly beautiful calligraphies of "Allah", it would nice, perhaps, if someone could upload pictures reflecting more the diversity, richness and delicate-ness of this art... Many very different ways to beautify it have developped, Kufic and square Kufic, Naskhi, Thuluth, Nasta'liq, Ta'liq, Sini, as well as more fanciful modern works. But I guess it's not easy to get good pictures with no copy rights... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.247.85.103 (talk) 00:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

The Mother of the Book.

• [1], 39.

Seems interesting to me. As far as I know more, I'll come back to her.

Austerlitz -- 88.75.71.90 (talk) 22:23, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Elohim/Enlil

Couldn't find any treatment of the relation of "Allah" to "Elohim" and "Enlil". Since the article Allah, by a slight deviation from the general purpose of articles on wikipedia, treats the word "allah" (< al-ilah), not the concept "Allah" (= God), and this is the system in dictionaries - see Wiktionary - not encyclopedias, I find it odd that the relation to "El"/"Elohim" (= God) is not treated, and since Lah/Eloh might have some relation to the akkadian "Ellil" < "Enlil", as the general name on a heavenly god, anyone, true or false. Said: Rursus (☻) 15:44, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

First, no. Sumerian EN-LÍL is not the same as Akkadian il "god". It is this latter word that is directly cognate with the attested Hebrew El and the extended forms with -ah- in Hebrew ha-Eloh-im, Syriac Elåh-å, Arabic al-ilaah. Second, there is already an etymology section that discusses this, although the Hebrew word Elohim does not specifically appear.

The use of the word " ALLAH" In Arabic

In Arabic language, the word "ALLAH", as mentioned in the article, refers to God and is the proper name of God almighty. It is mentioned in the article that it is derived from the article "al" (the) and "illah" (god) giving the meaning of "the God". Such derivation is doubtful and probably non-existant. This is supported by the absence of feminine forms and pleural forms. The word "allat" is not the feminine form but was a name of a statue worshiped by pre-Islam Arabs. Muslims will Refer to God as "ALLAH". He is the one and the only God, and to them any mentioning of God, divinity, lord or any other word suggesting or meaning God is by default referring to "ALLAH". 89.189.70.77 (talk) 20:16, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Arab Christian terminology

I like the fact that the article explains that the name Allah is used in Christianity in Judaism, but I feel that there should be a whole different article relating to this particular controversy (cf Allah in Christianity). Allah al-ab, Allah al-ibn and Allah al-ruh al koudous are terms that are too often misunderstood. [2]. Also, there is the case of the Malaysia Herald, which was temporarily suspended over this. 69.157.229.153 (talk) 18:24, 4 January 2009 (UTC)