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Itsmejudith

Nomination

Voice your opinion (talk page) (10/10/3); Scheduled to end 22:15, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Itsmejudith (talk · contribs) – I've twice offered to nominate Judith for admin before: both times she declined, but thankfully now we have acceptance. The reasons for her change of heart I cannot say, but the reasons to support her should be blindingly obvious. A reasoned, educated voice of common sense, civility and neutrality at WP:FTN, WP:RSN and various other fora, Judith is a solid writer and has exactly the right sort of temperament for the admin role; forthright and reliable while also capable of introspection. She will do well. Moreschi (talk) 22:39, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Co-nomination by Dougweller: I have been trying to convince Itsmejudith (talk · contribs) to accept Moreschi's nomination for some time now, and I am very pleased that she has agreed. As an article editor she is interested in a wide range of subjects and belongs to four WikiProjects. She is almost frightenly multi-lingual (yes, that does have its uses here), and her membership of the WP:Kindness Campaign is something that perhaps all administrators should consider and emulate. I would have commented on her being a "voice of common sense, civility and neutrality" but I see Moreschi has beaten me to it so I shall refrain from mentioning these admirable traits of hers. Giving her the mop will be an asset to the community.dougweller (talk) 18:06, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: Accepted. Itsmejudith (talk) 22:11, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The candidate may make an optional statement here.

Doug, I only speak English and French fluently. I'm currently studying to improve my German, so please anyone feel free to address me in German if you wish. Itsmejudith (talk) 22:11, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • A SPECIAL REQUEST
    • Kindly do not flood this RFA with 25 extra "optional" questions, as I have seen done recently. The answer to most of these questions, particularly the sillier ones, will usually be found in Judith's contributions if you bother to do your research before jumping towards that "edit" button. RFA is supposed to be a prosperous experience for the candidate no matter which way consensus goes, not some waterboarding-style drip-torture. Moreschi (talk) 22:54, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Moreschi. I'm OK about answering further questions, but if they're really silly I may give a flippant answer. Itsmejudith (talk) 22:11, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
A: I'll carry on with many of the tasks that I already do, especially on the noticeboards (reliable sources noticeboard, fringe theories noticeboard, original sources noticeboard, biographies of living persons noticeboard and neutral point of view noticeboard. I'll add the administrators' noticeboard to that, and take action on the issues that arise there. I'll continue to do bits of wikifying from time to time (the backlog continues to grow), to translate the odd article from French, and to work on articles that interest me, mainly on history and social theory. I'd like to do some mediation. Apart from taking up issues brought to the administrators' noticeboard, it might seem like more of the same, but being an admin would mean that I could see issues through, including taking sanctions against editors where there was abuse. I believe I could do that wisely.
2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
A: Participating in the wikification project, because that has taken me into areas I wouldn't otherwise have visited. I have usually done much more than just wikify, e.g. completely rewriting, tagging for notability, tagging for experts, whatever the article needs. I haven't started many articles, but those I have I think were needed. Sportswear (no specialist knowledge whatsoever, but I couldn't believe the article didn't already exist). I created a proper History of antisemitism, from what is now the Timeline of antisemitism, and the History of education in England. I'm very proud to have created Stratford Langthorne Abbey, although all I made was a little stub, because it was a great example of wikimagic. Another editor came along soon afterwards and turned it into a proper article and put it onto Did You Know. Another very collaborative experience was in helping get Islam to FA. I rewrote several paragraphs on the history of Islamic civilisation only to see them deleted, but that was fine because the article needed to be shorter and more focussed. A long time ago I rewrote Solar power (now a redirect to Solar energy), splitting the material on solar water heating from that on solar electricity generation. Frankly, it had been a terrible mess, but now there is a series of reasonable to good articles on the related topics.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: Yes, I've been in numerous conflicts, mainly because I've ventured into controversial topics. The Solar energy page has been bedevilled by conflict between two editors who both in their own ways have a lot to offer to the encyclopedia. I've encouraged them to work together and to participate in a mediation, which was helpful. One experience that helped me to learn about conflict resolution was on the page Hoang Van Chi, started (in Vietnamese) by a newbie. Initially it was a hagiographic account of the subject (a Vietnamese political writer), with some coat-racking advocacy of a position. I did a lot of rewriting and was patient with the newbie. For me the bottom line was that the subject was notable and an NPOV article was in theory possible. I hoped the newbie would be converted to the WP policy of NPOV and stay to contribute to other articles, but unfortunately he didn't. I was also very patient with the now banned sockpuppeteer User:Hkelkar, even after he told me I was "whitewashing antisemitism" when I tried to NPOV an article (again on a political writer, in this case still living). I did eventually and regretfully support Hkelkar's banning.
Optional questions from Aitias
4. Is there any circumstance in which you would delete a page despite a Hangon tag?maybe if it consisted of PENIS GRAWP HAGGER — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moreschi (talk • contribs) 22:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A. I can't think of any. Itsmejudith (talk) 22:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
5. What would your personal standards be on granting and removing rollback?did she say she'd be giving out rolllback? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moreschi (talk • contribs) 22:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A. I wasn't considering giving out rollback. Itsmejudith (talk) 22:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
6. Under what circumstances may a non-free photograph of a living person be used on Wikipedia?God only knows — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moreschi (talk • contribs) 22:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A. Not many circumstances. I would check. Itsmejudith (talk) 22:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
7. An IP vandalises a page. You revert the vandalism and give the IP a final warning on its talk page. After that the IP vandalises your userpage. Summarising, the IP was sufficiently warned and vandalised (your userpage) after a final warning. Would you block the IP yourself or rather report it to WP:AIV? Respectively, would you consider blocking the IP yourself a conflict of interest? obviously not — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moreschi (talk • contribs) 22:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A. Yes I would probably block the vandal myself, because a final warning for vandalism had been given. If I thought the vandal was very frustrated I would probably only block for a short period to let them cool off. Itsmejudith (talk) 22:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
8. Under what circumstances, if any, would you block a user without any warnings?What warnings? Warnings from Judith or from other users? Maybe socks of banned users as a really obvious answer? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moreschi (talk • contribs) 22:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A. Only as sock of a banned user, or if it was part of long-term harassment. Warnings are important. Itsmejudith (talk) 22:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Q's from flaminglawyerc

  • Please, Moreschi, don't shit on these questions like you did the others. Your comments already have taken my vote from a support down to a neutral. I don't expect you to do anything stupid, since you said you wouldn't in a comment on a !vote, but this is just a reminder.
9. The classic: What's the difference between a ban and a block?
A.
10. Why do you want to be an admin? i.e., if you had to write a self-nom (without any sarcastic comments inserted by others <clears throat and looks at someone> ), what would it say?
A.

General comments

Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Itsmejudith before commenting.

It appears that I have walked into a minefield here. I am sorry that my answers to Qs 4 onwards are terse. I am quite willing to expand on them but it will not be until late Tuesday UTC as in real life I will be away on business. And I will elaborate on them as much as people want and answer further questions. Please bear in mind that I did not put in the small font facetious answers. I am standing for admin on the basis of my contributions record and knowing that I meet all the stated criteria for adminship. I do not know every rule like the back of my hand, but I do know the pillars, policies and most of the editing guidelines inside out. I've applied them in complex circumstances. When I need advice I ask for it. I should have said more about my participation in admin tasks; what I can claim is reverting vandalism and warning vandals. As you'll see I'm also a frequent respondent to the noticeboards. Now I'm being advised to withdraw my nom, and all I can see I may have done wrong is to give too brief answers to some questions. I'm not going to do that right now, but will see how it plays out over the next couple of days. Itsmejudith (talk) 00:19, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

  • Request for a third co-nom Given some of the edits by one of the nominators, I would like one of this candidate's supporters to spend the time to fully vet the candidate as if you were going to nominate her then report back in this discussion section. In particular, point out all the reasons you found to support her, and mention any reasons to oppose and why those reasons are not serious enough to prevent you from nominating her. If you do this right, it will take several hours and I wouldn't expect a reply for another 24-48 hours. I realize this is a very unusual request but current events make it necessary. For the sake of duplication of effort, go ahead and reply "I'll do it" now. First one to sign up gets the task. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 00:20, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • You know... I think I'm going to take you up on that offer, unless someone else wants to do it. I said I'd stop nomming users, but I think in this case i can bend my own rules. Wizardman 00:21, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Support
  1. Looks good. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 22:23, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Good contributions at the noticeboards, clear evidence of positive consensus-building, good contributions to AfD, right attitude about adminship, no obvious reasons to oppose. I strongly suggest that Moreschi delete the thoroughly unnecessary mockery of Q4-Q8; I don't like stock questions either, but those are up to candidates to handle how they see fit. Townlake (talk) 23:13, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Shrug. I agree it won't help, but it's time someone pointed out - yes, even pointed out - what a ridiculous farce RFA can become. I have no problem with additional questions, but they cannot be boilerplate ones. Stuff like "[Diff] is poor handling of a dispute IMO, in retrospect would you have done anything different" is fine and encouraged. Asking Judith about her rollback standards when she's never shown the slightest interest in granting rollback to anyone is just silly. Moreschi (talk) 23:16, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    While RfA maybe a farce, it's rather unhelpful, and likely harmful, to react or express those sentiments here. Wisdom89 (T / C) 23:25, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict) Even if you feel a need to become uncivil and offensive, Moreschi, and call them silly, they help to evaluate two important things: (1) Policy knowledge and (2) the candidate's judgement. — Aitias // discussion 23:27, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    No, they don't. And I am not being uncivil. These are dumb questions, but I never said you did not have the wit to produce better. Clearly you do. Moreschi (talk) 23:34, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Squash this. Wisdom89 (T / C) 23:37, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Strong Support As I said once before as one of many urging her to go up for RfA: I think anyone who has had the pleasure of reading Itsmejudith's insightful contributions could not help but feel that she would be just the kind of admin that Wikipedia needs. Her contributions to the noticeboards, AfD and many articles show thorough, detailed and intelligent understanding of our intricate and often confusing policies, and courteous, thoughtful and neutral work developing consensus.John Z (talk) 23:42, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Of course - great article writer with clue. Majorly talk 23:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Let's see... half-assed answers to the questions that are mostly wrong signifies that adminship is not a big deal to this user, which means that this user's not viewing it as a trophy at all. Ergo, this is a very good candidate. Wizardman 00:02, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    That is possibly the best support rationale I've seen in quite some time (Newyorkbrad at Ice Cold Beer's comes close). Yay for Wizardman. NuclearWarfare (Talk) 00:22, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I would have gone the other way and suggested that there is flawed logic afoot, but that is an opinion, I suppose. — neuro(talk) 02:28, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  6. (EC) Support Great editor, but I don't like how nominator User:Moreschi is handling the RfA. (Especially replying to the questions). LittleMountain5 00:05, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Support. We need more editors with good heads on their shoulders. Despite past conflicts, I think this particular user is at least trying to stay above the fray and is not diametrically opposed to such ideas as WP:MAINSTREAM and Wikipedia:Scientific standards which are my arbitrary criteria for supporting admin candidates. :) ScienceApologist (talk) 00:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Support because Judith would be a fine admin from every bit of evidence I've yet seen, and by the way, whether or not the candidate would be a good administrator should be the only thing people are thinking about when they "vote" here. By the way, I like the way Wizardman put it. Thanks, Antandrus (talk) 00:42, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Support. Things seem to be in order - judith has demonstrated ample clue in article and project-space contributions, which I generally value more than her feelings about a {{hangon}} tag. It's unfortunate that many of the opposes seem to concern the nominator rather than the nominee. Itsmejudith would be a fine addition to the admin corps; I recognize that this RfA has not started out well, but I hope it will turn around or, failing that, at least not discourage her excellent participation on Wikipedia. MastCell Talk 01:10, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Support. I support the candidate, who is an excellent contributor and would be a sane addition to the admin pool, but I really do not care for the way that this RfA has been conducted. Rje (talk) 02:10, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose - Candidate seems thoughtful, but checking the contribution history I see no participation in admin areas - and while some might view that as a plus, I do not, at least not when it's this bare. Secondly, the answer to question 1 is...well..unsatisfactory when it comes to the tools. Wisdom89 (T / C) 22:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    This is factually incorrect. Judith often participates in various discussions, such as those arising at WP:FTN, where use of the tools is needed and done (usually by myself, but the point of this RFA is to get others in on the act). She is a frequent participant at RSN: when lying about sources is discovered there, as it often is, admin action is appropriate. She has much experience in admin areas and much experience in observing use of the tools in the areas she works in; she has seen well what works and what doesn't. Moreschi (talk) 23:02, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I will take a closer look at recent discussions and revisit - but I'm still not convinced that admin involvement is necessary at the level you are intimating at said noticeboards. Wisdom89 (T / C) 23:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    In any case, I would like to point out that her answers to contentious and difficult questions at the noticeboards etc, (which are usually accepted by all there) show that Judith knows policy and guidelines, particularly some of the ones requiring the most work and best judgement, like RS, very, very well.John Z (talk)
  2. Oppose Answers to questions all Q4, Q5, Q6, Q7 and Q8 provide undeniable evidence of a complete lack of policy knowledge. — Aitias // discussion 22:57, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd imagine that per the nomination statement, all were jokes. Next to the questions, in small font, he wrote answers. Perhaps he just isn't taking RfA seriously, which can be a good or bad thing depending on your POV. NuclearWarfare (Talk) 23:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    No, I wrote the answers in the small font. I'm afraid I cannot take questions like these seriously. Q4 has a really obvious answer (you don't delete pages with {{hangon}} unless the page is clear vandalism), Q5 is irrelevant to this candidate, Q6 requires intricate knowledge of copyright law (well, it's nice if admins have this but it is most certainly not required), Q7 has a trivially obvious answer which Judith gave, Q8 ditto. What are you trying to accomplish here? Moreschi (talk) 23:02, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    What are you trying to accomplish? Your interference will likely derail this rfa. --Stephen 23:27, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    The only thing that derails an RFA are the people who oppose it. Majorly talk 23:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Um, I'd argue that for Q4, there are other reasons for deleting a page with a hangon tag (G10, G12 and possibly G11 spring to mind), and there are other reasons for indeffing an account on the spot (Q8). I'm not going to oppose at this time, mainly because the user's contributions are good, but the answers make me uneasy. Black Kite 00:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Seriously. The user shouldn't of even considered it. It was either an intentional annoyance/vandalism attempt, or just the user is just being a smart-aleck to the questions, acting like a know-it-all, or mabye it was an intentional mistake. But this user is an admin, which really questions me. K50 Dude ROCKS! 00:35, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Oppose for inadequate responses to optional questions --Stephen 23:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Oppose - While I respect both of the co-noms, the answers to questions become quite sloppy from Q4 onward. Or in other words, per Aitias. --Dylan620 (Contribs) 23:39, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Oppose for now Is this Judith's RFA or the nominators Soap Box? Another person's RFA is not the place for a nominator to develop additional evidence that RFA is broken. It is, most of us know that but until we find something better this is all we have and we need good administrators. Whilst I absolutely agree that a potential administrator should not be lambasted with ridiculous questions, or nit-picked on one or two indiscretions of months ago - would the nominator please allows us (that's the !voters) to give due weight to whether additional questions are silly or not and then vote accordingly. Judith please note I will revisit this RFA in a day or two so as to fully consider your suitability. Best wishes.--VS talk 23:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Alright, alright. I've made my point, I believe, and quite clearly something has been proved. I'll wash my hands of this RFA for now, let the chips fall as they may, and come back later to pick up the issues outstanding. Moreschi (talk) 23:49, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    [EC] I will Moreshi - thank you for your reconsideration. Back in a day or two.--VS talk 23:51, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Weak Oppose for now. (ec x2) I don't like the way this RFA has been handled so far; answers to optional questions are quite terse and choppy. I'm really hungry right now, so I'm going to get something to eat before I take the time to really dig into the candidate's contributions, but my initial thought is a weak oppose, although I would not be surprised if I end up switching to support. Useight (talk) 23:51, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Oppose - Terse answers to questions indicate a likely lack of policy knowledge. — neuro(talk) 23:55, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Oppose Per VirtualSteve and here's a question for you is this Judith's RFA or Moreschi's, I mean there are answers to every question written by him/her and almost every oppose has a comment by Moreschi. It just bugs me.--Iamawesome800 00:04, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Weak Oppose because your answers to the optional questions make me a little nervous. There are times which you will need to delete a page with a {{hangon}} on it. If you aren't working with rollback, don't answer the question. Questions 7 is correct 100% and 8 is mostly correct too. I am not saying you'll be a bad admin, I'm just nervous that you will go someplace like rollback just "to explore it" and make a critical mistake... K50 Dude ROCKS! 00:35, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    But what would a "critical mistake" with rollback look like? All administrative actions are reversible. Problem admins aren't those who make "critical mistakes", but rather those without the judgement or self-awareness to recognize and correct their mistakes. I'm not trying to badger people here, but what's wrong with the answer to Q5? MastCell Talk 01:15, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Weak Oppose. I don't take an issue with Moreshi's flippant responses to questions; I don't think a RfA should ever be sunken by a nominator and I largely ignore everything except for the nominee (except in extreme cases). However, comment that she would give "flippant answers" to questions scares me. What if a new user asks you a similarly "stupid" question? Responses like those given above can quite easily drive well-meaning users away from the project, which is exactly what we do not want to happen. However, Itsmejudith is very obviously quite the impressive admin candidate, so I can only weakly oppose. DARTH PANDAduel • work 01:34, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    If the editor was a new one with a genuine question, I'm positive Judith would answer them. To suggest she wouldn't because she didn't answer the template ones very well above is simply ridiculous. The two situations are simply incomparable - one is a genuine new person who honestly wants to find out the answer to something; the other is a regular editor posting template question, like this is some sort of test, and who knows the answer already. Majorly talk 01:40, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    What if there was a longtime editor who asked an extremely idiotic question? I really cannot look past even the possibility of a snide answer; wouldn't it be better to WP:AGF and just answer those questions fully even though they're templated? I agree that the number and type of questions are getting obscene, but not answering them to the fullest extent of the candidate's capabilities is and insult to the candidate herself. If she can answer these questions so brilliantly, why doesn't she? DARTH PANDAduel • work 02:14, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Sadly obvious oppose: The answers to questions, especially #4 and #6, indicate a stark lack of policy knowledge. You can never "think of any" circumstance where you'd delete a page with a hangon tag? Attack page, copyvio, random scribbles, the hangon tag has been on the page for a long time, in any of these cases you wouldn't delete the page just because of the tag? Also, it feels a tad like this user is being pushed into an adminship that the user might not even want. Almost nothing listed in Q1 requires the tools and the fact that the nom seems to feel the need to "defend" the admin from each question is troubling. Oren0 (talk) 02:30, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
  1. Neutral. As a protest against ridiculous standards at RfA I am no longer supporting candidates with more than 3,500 edits. Bureaucrats, please interpret this as a Strong Support when closing this RfA. BTW, you seem like a really good candidate though - lots of participation in difficult areas. RyanGerbil10(Four more years!) 23:49, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    If you support the candidate, just support them; empty gestures in RfAs are not the best way to affect change in the system. EVula // talk // ☯ // 00:52, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    This vote is very much trying to prove a point.--Iamawesome800 01:43, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Neutral per VirtualSteve. I don't really like to use it, but he sums up my views pretty effectively. Also, this RfA has been started off pretty badly; it would be better if you withdrew and immediately (or not) resubmitted it. NuclearWarfare (Talk) 23:55, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Neutral I wish this editor was as razor-sharp with her optional questions as her namesake was with Holophernes. The too-casual approach to many of the questions raises concerns that make it difficult to offer support at the moment. Nonetheless, a fine editorial history cannot be overlooked, hence my deposit in this camp. Ecoleetage (talk) 01:09, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Neutral (but I would have been a support) Choose your nominators more carefully next time. This time, you're screwed because of a bad choice. I don't fully blame this on the nominee, but I'm guessing that since you know Moreschi well enough to let him/her nom you, you would know that s/he would do something like this. But it's a possibility that this is a first, so I don't fully blame you. flaminglawyerc 02:16, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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