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Requested move

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was

Resolved

RandySavageFTW (talk) 20:39, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Please provide a specific reason as to why it should be moved.--S_RX 21:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose - Well known by wrestling fans as Jason Reso, similar to Adam Copeland. Is referred to Jason Reso in Batista's book. It's no secret that is his real name. D.M.N. (talk) 21:13, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
RE: Actually his real name is William Reso. Jason is his middle name. I have a source that his real name is William as well.--WillC 21:21, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - per D.M.N.'s reasons (took it out of my mouth :]). @WL, actually his real name (William) is already spelled out in his article, but he is preferred to be called Jason, and per WP:UCN, it should be Jason.--S_RX 21:31, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, he was just Christian (without the Cage) for longer, but that obviously wouldn't work because of the religion. Best to keep it where it is. Nikki311 21:33, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Better known by his ring name Christian Cage" owned RandySavageFTW (talk) 23:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, that's debatable. It should be changed to "Better known by his ring names Christian Cage or just Christian" or something to that effect. Who says he is better known as Christian Cage? You? Nikki311 23:52, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nah, the article. That's why I put it in quotes. Someone's going to change it though and then like 10 more people will oppose, ya. RandySavageFTW (talk) 23:55, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You know what I'm going to say He was Christian from 1998 to 2005, and Cage from 2005 to now. There is no logic in arguing for Cage, because he has only had the name 3 years (half as long as his WWE run), and you can't ask for Christian because of its common use. As for Can't wait to see why everyone opposes, how about logic? Oppose if you didn't guess. Darrenhusted (talk) 08:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How about "Christian (wrestler)." Oh, wait... Everyone will give me that quantifier BS. Yet when I nominate articles with quantifiers, everyone opposes. Laughable. RandySavageFTW (talk) 13:02, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

he already shows up in a search for "christian wrestler" so there is no need to move the page to that. Darrenhusted (talk) 13:17, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

...Yeah there is. It gets there quicker. He isn't known by Jason Reso at all. RandySavageFTW (talk) 13:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The reason for that result is the picture name, if you look at the search results. Highlights in red. Darrenhusted (talk) 13:56, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

what RandySavageFTW (talk) 17:35, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Darrenhusted (aka Smartest guy to grace this project.) Govvy (talk) 19:29, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the compliment, Govvy. Darrenhusted (talk)

no RandySavageFTW (talk) 19:31, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And BTW, Randy, I supported the move to Sonny Onoo. Darrenhusted (talk) 08:06, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not done D.M.N. (talk) 09:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Currently not signed?

It is well known that the 2 year contract he signed with TNA in 2006 is now expired and has yet to commit to a new contract with TNA or a rumoured move back to WWE. The article should really say this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.96.91.112 (talk) 21:38, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

His contract with THA does not expire until December. It is also unknown if he has reached a deal with TNA or not, nor has he even talked to WWE. No reliable source has been presented that such has happened. The article should not state rumors. Wikipedia is based on facts, not gossip.--WillC 21:41, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

yeah, your right. we don't know if he reached a new deal with TNA or not. but there are plenty of reliable sources out there that prove he has been in contact with WWE. i'm not talking about dirt sheets either being reliable sources. maybe before you neglect a "great" point that someone makes, move your lazy hand and fingers, and make sure the isn't a reliable source out there before you make the judgment. your not a reliable source. how about that.

It isn't my job to find the source. If you want it added to the article then bring the source, because most times when a source is brung it is not reliable and I'm not the search dog. Also remain civil because the I'm "NOT A FAN OF Wrestlinglover" thing is not helping your case in this matter and you just made your own self look childish and immature.--WillC 08:24, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Contract issues

His TNA contract has run out. He is not currently signed with TNA or WWE. However, WWE has put an offer on the table for Jason to return and he has expressed some interest in going back to WWE because he wants to "go where the money is", now that he is getting older. Adam "Edge" Copeland has also expressed great interest re-teaming with him and has been pushing hard for it to happen if Reso returns. There are currently several plans within WWE if Reso does decide to return. The first plan is for Reso to re-team with Travis "Tyson" Tomko, who has resigned with WWE. Upon his re-teaming with Tomko, the two would either feud or align with Adam "Edge" Copeland. The second plan is for Reso to be a singles competitor and feud with Copeland, leaving Tomko completely out of the picture. Another plan that has been thrown out there is to have Jason return and re-team with Copeland, again, without Tomko. The beat down that Reso received at the hands of the Main Event Mafia on an episode of TNA Impact! was a way for them to write his character off TV for good in case he does not re-sign with TNA. However, it also left it open for him to return in a "revenge" storyline and become the leader of TNA's Frontline if he does re-sign.

Do you have a reliable source?--WillC 04:22, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nicknames

Is "The Champ" a proper nickname for Christian or is it just what he was called whilst he was a champion? because i don't think it's a proper nickname for any wrestler with the exception of John Cena. ^TheJay ^Experience 04:12, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He refers to himself as "The Champ" frequently in promos, regardless of him having a belt or not. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 05:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not a nickname he just likes calling himself that because he was never pinned or submitted for any of the championships he won in TNA.--WillC 05:54, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

return to the WWE

is christian realy returning to the wwe because theres rumors that he will return at wrestlemania 25 to face jeff hardy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.201.129.133 (talk) 18:19, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its rumors, so its not confirmed by a Reliable source.--S R X 19:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Could this be comsidered a source? Just wondering? http://www.wrestleview.com/news08/1230847096.shtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathan 930 (talk • contribs) 06:09, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

At one point it would have, but recently wrestleView was decided that it is only reliable for results of PPVs and tv shows.--WillC 06:11, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Someone should delete that he was the myster person who attacked Jeff Hardy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.103.21.7 (talk) 19:11, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like it's 99.9% confirmed that Christian's returning and he will be revealed as the person who attacked Jeff Hardy at Survivor Series and as the hit and run driver that ran Jeff and his girlfriend off the road. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.102.94.147 (talk) 21:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable source?--Tr uc o 21:19, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source from the WWE or Cage himself that says that he is signed and playing that part? If you don't then you can't be 99.9% right.--WillC 21:20, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TNA president confirmed Christian's departure from TNA pwmania.com has a link to the story i believe at least thats where i seen it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skmc1190 (talk • contribs) 03:41, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

She has confirmed it in an interview with the Daily Star while they were on tour in the UK. --Mrrko (talk) 00:28, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RS? Simon^KSK 00:29, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Link: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/66103/EXCLUSIVE-Deep-impact --Mrrko (talk) 00:31, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This Is SO Stupid

Okay. I understand wikipedia rules and such. I agree with them. I support them. But this is so stupid to argue on something some claim is a "reliable" source and other's don't claim it to be. Dixie Carter in her own words (with nothing to do with dirt sheets) has stated that Christian will be returning to WWE within a two weeks. If Dixie Carter (President of TNA) is not a reliable source, than what is? Of course she would spill the beans on that as WWE is her competition and she wants to spoil any surprises they have up their sleeve in effort to drop ratings. All of this same talk, and what is and what isn't a reliable source happened last October/November with the whole Chris Jericho Save_Us.222. Which was a sad time for Wikipedia. Because everyone who wanted to contribute to the article about something they already knew (and really wasn't a rumor, it was fact). And now the same exact thing is happening again with Christian in 2009. It just makes Wikipedia look unreliable. And don't give me a "what if it isn't Christian, or what if Christian doesn't come back. Because IT IS, and he is. It's known. It's proven. You said the same thing about Chris Jericho and the Wiki Administrators were wrong. It's not rumors. We give you sources. What else do you want? This is just super duper wiki stupid. Dixie Carter and Adam Copeland not being reliable sources, COME ON. Seriously. I follow Wiki-Protocol, I can prove 3 different ways (like i did with Jericho) that it's true, and have reliable sources, but you guys still want to be Wiki-idiots. Whatever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.229.206 (talk) 21:26, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A reliable source is needed. Dixie is reliable but the site stating her statement is unreliable. There are multiple policies you and I must obey. No reliable source that Cage is returning to WWE then it can't be added. WP:SPECULATION, WP:RS, WP:Spoiler, WP:V, WP:Source, etc. If you don't like the rules then don't come on here.--WillC 21:34, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If one cannot reliably prove that Christian has returned to WWE, then how can it be stated in the opening paragraph? 80.195.146.94 (talk) 14:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Does http://www.pwmania.com/newsarticle.php?page=234159064 prove that he is coming back? Take a look :| —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.157.117 (talk) 20:26, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PWMania is not a reliable source because they do not have an accurate fact-checking system.TRUCO 00:40, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is ridiculous. I agree with the guy who started this section. Dixie Carter said herself, in her words, a direct quote on the website for one of the UK's well known newspapers, The Daily Star, that Reso is returning to WWE. If that isn't reliable then what is? She said "He was the first big name to jump ship to us ad he is the first to jump back." Is that not good enough, the president of TNA Wrestling has stated that Jason Reso will be returning to WWE. Why can we not put this into the article although at this point in time it doesn't matter too much because he is thought to be returning at Royal Rumble in two days from now. We will find out then whether he is returning at the rumble, but he definately will be returning. 91.106.46.227 (talk) 23:08, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Link to that source? --TRUCO 23:12, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is one thing I find ridiculous. Can't you wait? RR is 2 days away. I can not stress this enough. Did she say WWE? Did she say the he is back a t the WWE. No. She did mention WWE at all, and if she did, it was indirect. Simon^KSK 23:14, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're indirect broham, and she did... I suggest you go take a listen, and I apologize before hand if you are one of the hearing impaired and in that case i don't blame you for your previously incorrect statement. 18.00C.0LL.ECT (talk)

The link is in a post somewhere on this page. And yes I can wait, and that is exactly what I am doing. I am just saying that it is pretty much a given that he is returning to WWE. 90.204.221.212 (talk) 18:01, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I never said Royal Rumble, that's your words, not mine. Now Royal Rumble is what you call speculation. Dixie Carter said in the matter of weeks he would be returning. And yes she said (not on a rumor site but an audio interview) that she is disappointed that he went and signed with the rival company. That he just went to the competition without being in contact with her or any TNA management. This interview was about 10 to 12 days ago (give or take a few). I think it was her mouth that led it to be Matt Hardy instead of Christian but that is my speculation and am not requesting that to be put in the article. And as for the waiting thing, I can wait. But I don't agree on how legitimate facts are being ignored. Now that's a fact. An example of speculation, (good speculation not fact) would be how come the WWE has signed Tyson Tomko even though he is out of shape compared to his last WWE tenure and has already been injured within a matter of hours of being signed, but yet he was not released with the thousand other people who even had more important roles with the WWE and were laid off due to the economy. durr derr dirr dyrr durr, that's because they signed Christian Cage. Now something like that, I agree, that's speculation and something like that should never be inserted to an article. Are we aloud to be sarcastic on talk pages? Because if we are, then I believe in Janis Joplin's wikipedia page it should be noted that she liked to speed walk everywhere and is afraid of toilets. I can confirm this by watching an episode of 30 rock last week. Not only that, I have a source. http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Janis_Joplin If we are not aloud sarcasm (to prove a point) then I apologize before hand and whoever wants to play wiki-editer can erase from where I started to ask if we were aloud sarcasm. Anything before that is a legitimate debate to help improve a page and is my response to responses of my original statement that other's replied to. FA.RTn.ugg.ets (talk) 05:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]