Talk:Heart (band)

Bands influenced by Heart?

Quoting the legacy section: Among the groups who have recorded at their Bad Animals studio are R.E.M., Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden and Candlebox (all of whom have cited Heart as a major influence)

Although I don't claim to be an expert on said bands (although I'm a fan of all but candlebox) I don't recall any of these bands stating that they were influenced by heart (although I do remember that Alice In Chains played a tribute to heart, so there's a little evidence for AiC's inclusion), also it shows that there is a citation needed.

I believe that it should be removed, however, I believe it should at the very least be disscussed first.

Also, if anyone can find source(s) to back this statement, then I don't see any reason it shouldn't continue to be there.

ps: I do not dispute the claim that these bands recorded at Bad Animals studio, I don't know, but if it turns out the statement of Heart's influencing these bands is untrue than it's pretty irrelevant.

Alternative Idiot (talk) 23:09, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Alice in Chains has cited them as a major influence as does Chris Cornell (I'm pretty sure he made reference to this in their behind the music episode). I do remember Pearl Jam making reference to them as an influence as well. They did also influence some metal/rock acts in the eighties. 67.181.182.87 (talk) 23:17, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

The article already provides a reference for Alice in Chains. viz: http://www.decadesrocklive.com/confidential/ Interview - Alice in Chains, Alice in Chains speaks about Heart’s influence, Decades Rock Confidential.

• Re: Chris Cornell: Which "they" are you referring to when you say "their" interview? (Presumably Soundgarden?)
• Have you any details of when/where Pearl Jam made the reference?
• Any ideas on which "metal/rock acts in the eighties" were influenced? Do you have any supporting references?

Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:51, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Heart promotional photo (1973)

Hi folks, can someone name the people in this photo, in the same way as the 1970 photo. This would show the changing membership of the band in the early years. Thanks Edgepedia (talk) 11:56, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Been working on that but it is a slow process. For sure far left is Steve, In the middle is Ann and far right is Roger. The photographer tells me "As for the players on drums and keyboards, at the moment your guess is as good as mine. I spent a lot of time and made the most money out of bands that kept changing personnel. It was hard to keep up with who was moving where and now they all look like the same bearded hairy kids. The best that I can do is to try and find the original negs from that shoot and see if I can get a clear print of those two and send them to Roger or Ann for an ID." My feeling is the keyboard player may be John Hannah, who was a local Vancouver musician that played with them circa 1972/73. He is more known for playing with Bryan Adams in the 80's. Soundvisions1 (talk) 01:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Sv1. I've been experimenting with how to present that information, and I haven't liked anything that I've come up with yet. What follows is the least bad of the options I thought of. Comments? Suggestions? Improvements? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:21, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

[[Image:Heart1973 BC.png|thumb|190px|float|right|Heart promotional photo (1973)<br>Top (L-R): Steve Fossen,<br>''(unidentified, possibly John Hannah)'',<br>Anne Wilson,<br>''(unidentified)'',<br>Roger Fisher]]

(In case you were wondering, it's between <nowiki></nowiki> brackets to avoid problems with the "copyright police". Pdfpdf (talk) 11:21, 7 January 2009 (UTC))

After-thought:

Has anyone seen a picture of Mike Fisher? (Has anyone got a "free" one?)

I think I read somewhere that at one time he was a drummer. (However, I've also read other (conflicting) information about him.)

Is there any chance that the drummer might be Mike Fisher? (Probably unlikely - if he wasn't in the 1970 picture, why would he be in the 1973 picture?)

Just a thought. Comments/Opinions/Other thoughts? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:29, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

disjointed

Wow, this article is seriously disjointed and just down right rambles in places. I don't even know where to start on improving it. Also, I have to take issue with Heart being tagged as a Canadian band, they are Americans who simply lived in Canada at one time, their having lived here, and being once signed to a long defunct, small Canadian label, doesn't make them Canadian. Status4 (talk) 01:04, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

The article does not say the founding members were Canadian, only that the band formed in Canada. The very first line in the article says "Heart is a rock band whose founding members came from Seattle, Washington, USA...". However due to the fact the core formed in Canada, played the local clubs, had their first release(s) in Canada and, when even the bands members said they were a "from Canada", it is not shocking they are considered a "Canadian band". Soundvisions1 (talk) 01:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Status4: I suggest you read the archives; I'm fairly confident that the answers to all of your questions (and much, much more) can be found in there. On second thoughts, Soundvisions1's response it a pretty accurate summary of at least 25% of the archives. Pdfpdf (talk) 10:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Biased quote?

"The media had a field day."

This quote seems biased and probably qualifies as weasel words. NorthernThunder (talk) 10:02, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Please clarify.

How does it "seems biased"? Is it a fact, is it not? How can a fact "seem biased"? Look at the number of references quotes - far in excess of "average coverage".

And how is it "ambiguous and not supported by facts"? There is no ambiguity, and there is a pile of facts to support it.

I either don't understand your comment, or I disagree with it. Looking forward to reading your clarification. Pdfpdf (talk) 14:24, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

"Having a field day" can imply many things. One of them being that journalists purposely went after Palin, which may or may not be true. The truth is, there are many times when journalist overreport on issues, (even ones non political in nature) and the phrase, "the media had a field day" typically is meant to imply a group of journalists collaborating together for polictical motivations; a rather common catch-phrase if someone feels the media is against their own side. Also, wikipedia standards are typically meant to portray facts mentioned in the source itself. Interpreting the source, or group of sources in this case, even if true, violates the wikipedia 'no original content' rule, and should be deleted accordingly. Why don't you find a source from a political commentator instead? --Jtd00123 (talk) 05:37, 7 February 2009 (UTC)