Talk:Job for a Cowboy

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It's absurd that this band has been placed on a userspace instead of a main article. --Fr4gm0nk3y 21:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

It was because the article was deleted one year ago, and they did not want to relist it, unless a user article containing enough "facts" was created. Apparently, it was the case, it was just created in the main space (see here. Hervegirod 14:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Interesting to note that We Came With Broken Teeth have a song named "Job for a Brokeback"

Interesting fact. . .my brother knows the singer of psyopus (another metal blade band) and according to him the only reason metal blade signed job for a cowboy is because they knew that they would make a lot of money from the record sales...and everyone at metal blade actually hates them. fun, no?

Hmmm...Progressive Elements? I haven't heard them to progressive and I hear no progressive elements in their music (I own the CD). Do you refer to their lack of traditional song structure (ex. Verse, Chorus, ECT)? SuperRadX 18:56, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Everyone on Wikipedia seems to want to label every band progressive, I don't get it. I'm not especially learned about music, but I really don't hear it in their music. Can anyone make the poin that they are? Col.clawhammer 22:36, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I know what you mean but it is hard to define the progressive genre, I understand what a progressive band is and what it sounds like but a lot of bands branch out and say they are progressive for the smallest reasons so its hard to determine nowadays --AtTheGatesOfBodom 20:33, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree, there's nothing progressive about this band, they're just doing the same thing as every other trendy band, trying to be both br00tal and trying to appeal to your everyday scenekid.

Is it just me or does their new stuff sound like Cannibal Corpse?

More like Decapitated, and other tech/brutal death. Their hardcore influence is almost gone completely, focusing more on death grunts and technical and (sometimes) melodic guitar rifts. They're now a completely different band, IMO, and they're new stuff lacks the breakdowns that made their style unique. It's a step in the right direction for the band.

It also seems that their lyrics deal with satanism, politics, the Antichrist, and demons >.> Gas.mask.man 01:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Their lyrics don't necessarily deal with satanism, politics, or demons, but rather with the rise of the antichrist as prophesied in the book of revalations in the Bible. Every song on their new album Genesis is about this apocalyptic era. Metaridley540 12:53, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Whoever the hell is putting "progressive death metal" in their genre thing is gonna be smacked in the face. There is nothing progressive about this band, theyre a re-hash of everything death metal has been in the last 15 years.

I saw them support Megadeth here in Manchester, UK, yesterday and they got a pretty frosty reception (and weren't very good in my opinion either). Apparently they got booed off stage somewhere else in the country. (86.155.219.196 (talk) 13:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC))

Yes they were rubbish with Megadeth down in Brixton too. The crowd was almost totally silent. Possibly the worst band i've ever had the misfortune to see live. MetalDevastation (talk) 17:18, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Genesis

Doesn't their latest release seem to have somewhat of a deathgrind sound? I don't think there are enough solos for it to be labeled as brutal death metal.--Zepboyo 04:26, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I guess I know what you are saying but they are more mainstream so I think because a lot of more uneducated metal heads know them, they are labeled just death metal or brutal death metal. But I do agree with you. --AtTheGatesOfBodom 20:33, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I hear little bits and pieces of a lot of styles in their work, especially from album to album; I think the current description (deathcore/ death metal) does a good job describing their overall sound, though it's really hard to pin down an encompassing style for bands like these without labeling a dozen genres. --Col.clawhammer 09:32, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

right, well, ask some guys who listen entirely to metal if their brutal death metal, or technical or even death metal, and they will reply with an angry slurr of drunken words that, translated roughly into english means "job for a cowboy is fucking shit, and not at all death metal" their style is clearly hardcore, but with death metal inspired vocals --Anonymous 04:20, 23 Dec 2007 (UTC)

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Genre research

I see death metal is being deleted from the article. Most of the sites I found consider them death metal/deathcore/grindcore.

Job For A Cowboy (USA)
2005 Doom (EP) Review > 4/10 - Sean M. - (Deathcore)
http://www.metal-observer.com/articles.php?lid=1&sid=5&a=l&l=J

Death Metal
Metal
Metalcore
Deathcore
http://www.rockdetector.com/artist,62947.sm

"death metal band Job For a Cowboy have become instant stars"
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/music/reviews/47434/job-for-a-cowboy-genesis/

"Job For A Cowboy's sound has evolved from deathcore to straight ahead death metal."
http://heavymetal.about.com/od/cdreviews/fr/jfacowboygenesi.htm

Death metal; Hardcore
http://www.tartareandesire.com/bands/Job_For_A_Cowboy/6020/

Deathcore, Death Metal
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=42638

Grindcore
Death Metal/ Black Metal
http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&samples=1&sql=11:apfuxqtdldhe~T0

brutal death metal death metal deathcore grindcore hardcore metal metalcore seen live
http://www.last.fm/music/Job%20for%20a%20cowboy

Metal / Death Metal / Progressive
http://www.myspace.com/jobforacowboy


It's clear; death metal can stay Emmaneul ^(Talk) 18:26, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

No, it's not death metal. Do any of these people even listen to death metal? XXMurderSoulXx (talk) 00:34, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with XXMurderSoulXx. Plus, most of those are unreliable sources. You can't just Google "Job for a Cowboy" and use that. -- FatalError (t|c) 18:00, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Touring section should be merged

I think the touring section should just be merged into Genesis as it's not a general touring section and just has content about their more recent tours. What do you say? −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪ ^kaiden 21:53, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

This subsection is already in Genesis. Cannibaloki 22:02, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Why a subsection then? −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪ ^kaiden 22:07, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Subsection? I do not know what you are talking about. Cannibaloki 22:27, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Subsection or subheader whatever you want to call it but anyway it's fine now. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪ ^kaiden 22:31, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

What this written up, was to be a joke, but okay if you do not understand. =P Cannibaloki 22:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I didn't know you were being sarcastic, so sorry about that. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪ ^kaiden 00:12, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

new album

check their myspace...

they're writing music for a 2009 release —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.210.67.136 (talk) 16:08, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Guitarist leaving

Is this official enough for a ref? This: http://lambgoat.com/news/view.aspx?id=11902 Veganzombieinc (talk) 16:54, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

To me a paragraph long article seems just a little bit sketchy to be used as an official refference, plus, the band's own website still lists him as part of the band. I'm leaning towards keeping him listed as a member of the band until we find some more (or far more reputalbe) refferences. If any one else can find any other sources on this, let us know.Mogthetormentor (talk) 08:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, found another source.Mogthetormentor (talk) 08:51, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Genre

Or, you know, you could always label them as what THEY, THEMSELVES put on their myspace perhaps? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.32.99 (talk) 04:12, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Even better, how about the deffinition of death metal itself. Fast tempos, heavily distorted guitars, deep growling vocals, morbid lyrics, blast beat drumming, and complex song structures with multiple tempo changes. All of which JFAC undoubtedly have.Mogthetormentor (talk) 08:55, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

On their MySpace and PureVoulme account,they say Progressive Death Metal, should we put it in on their official wiki channel. I am not lying look at their MySpace and Pure Volume accounts now.panicpack121 {talk} 2:30, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

What makes MySpace and PureVolume reliable sources? Cannibaloki 19:35, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

They're not, obviously. I suggest editor above Cannibaloki reads WP:RS. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 20:35, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

That is what their genre is on bothy of their accounts, so they should be in my opinion, in your opinion it shouldn't. It should, they are really, if you look if you at it. panicpack121 (talk)

The band has no say on what genre they are because they are a self-published source. The sites you mention aren't reliable, please see WP:RS. FireCrystal (talk) 20:05, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

New Immage

Should we start trying to find a new picture for this page? The current one has the old guitarist in it, I think we need a more up to date one if possible. Input welcome.Mogthetormentor (talk) 08:58, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Genre Error

Job For A Cowboy is not Death Metal, they are deathcore. Please fix this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.138.76.251 (talk) 21:32, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Citation error: Citation is false

"In March 2007, Job for a Cowboy completed their full-length debut album, Genesis.[8] The album was recorded at Blue Light Audio Media in Phoenix, Arizona with producer Cory Spotts, and mixing of Sabbat guitarist Andy Sneap; released on May 15, the album peaked at #54 on the Billboard 200, and sold nearly 13,000 copies in its first week, the highest-charting metal debut since 1999's self-titled album by Slipknot. "

The bold text is completely wrong. Slipknot's deput album debuted at number 51 on the billboard 200 http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/retrieve_chart_history.do?model.chartFormatGroupName=Albums&model.vnuArtistId=33923&model.vnuAlbumId=1155524. Disturbed's debut album, however, debuted at number 29 on the top 200, which, unless my math is wrong, is a higher chart position than 51, so that section of the reference has to be changed. Next time, before adding citations, please make sure that they are actually factual. Thanks! For slipknot: http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/retrieve_chart_history.do?model.chartFormatGroupName=Albums&model.vnuArtistId=33923&model.vnuAlbumId=1155524. For disturbed: http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/retrieve_chart_history.do?model.chartFormatGroupName=Albums&model.vnuArtistId=382997&model.vnuAlbumId=1138597Zaruyache (talk)