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Swine Influenza

Just want to ask, shouldn't we mention something about the swine influenza on the main page? And have an image of the countries affected by it too? I've got the image on my userpage, but since its a serious world-wide issue, I think it should be on the main page; just until its over. Ross Rhodes (T C) Sign! 13:38, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Put your suggestion at Talk:Main page. Thanks, SqueakBox 14:20, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Or WT:ITN. –Juliancolton | Talk 14:29, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Centrifugal Force

Jimbo, Since you are the last word as regards all disputes on wikipedia, I would be grateful if you could monitor the centrifugal force pages. There has been a dispute on those pages for over two years. The reason for the dispute has been that I have been trying to insert a perfectly legitimate perspective on that topic. That perspective is fully sourced, but unfortunately I didn't find the sources until recently. When I started trying to fix up that page in early 2008 I was doing so from memory of my old applied maths notes of 1979. There is a perspective on centrifugal force in which the centrifugal force is an outward inverse cube law force that is totally independent of the inward centripetal force. An equation which includes both the inward inverse square law force of gravity and the outward inverse cube law centrifugal force is used in modern textbooks (such as Goldstein's Classical mechanics) to solve the planetary orbital problem. It is a second order differential equation which solves to either a hyperbola, a parabola, or an ellipse. This perspective can be traced back to Leibniz in the 17th century. (the interesting thing about this perspective is that planetary orbital stability can be accounted for by the two different power laws. Hence the planets don't collapse into the Sun if they are disturbed from their orbits)

I have been trying to get this perspective recognized on the article but to no avail. At first, they tried to tell me that it was my own original research. Eventually I got blocked, and at one time I got blocked permanently. Administrator Antandrus realized that I was genuinely trying to help the article and he unblocked me after repeated requests by myself. But I made a pledge to Antandrus that I wouldn't engage in any more edit wars. I intend to keep to that pledge. However, I have recently uncovered some sources. Some of these sources are sterling quality. I made some edits yesterday using one such source but they were immediately erased by user dicklyon. Dicklyon insinuated that Leibniz didn't understand classical mecahnics and dicklyon also totally ignored Goldstein when making that statement. I would be most grateful if you could check the whole matter out. I do not intend to have an edit war. If you genuinely want to have a single and concise unified article on centrifugal force with a balanced treatment of all perspectives, then you need to do something about a certain group of editors who are continually deleting anything which I put on the centrifugal force pages.

I look forward to hearing from you. David Tombe (talk) 11:16, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Since I'm not qualified to say anything about the underlying content issue, and since I've not monitored the dispute, I'm not really in a position to say anything specific about it. However, from your description, what I would recommend is that you raise the issue on the talk page and that you asked for more eyes on the situation. Probably asking the folks at Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics will be helpful.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 16:00, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jimbo, Thanks for the reply and thanks for the suggestions. But my experience in the last two years has been that there is absolutely nobody who edits on that page who wants to openly acknowledge the existence of the Leibniz approach to centrifugal force. I'll walk away from the topic for a while, and I'll return again only if I see the involvement of somebody else who knows what they are talking about. It's hard to exactly pin down the reason why there is so much resistance to acknowledging the Leibniz approach. When I did physics at university, they taught us that centrifugal force doesn't exist. The lecturer drew a circle on the board and indicated how the centripetal force caused the circular path and how it is the only force acting. However, over in the applied maths department the next year, I was introduced to the Leibniz approach which showed how centrifugal force and gravity work together in tandem to yield elliptical, hyperbolic, and parabolic orbits, according to their relative magnitudes at a given radial distance. The next year, I did the course on rotating frames of reference in which the centrifugal force is a fictitious force that is only observed from rotating frames of reference.

When I saw the wiki article two years ago, I tried to introduce the Leibniz approach (I didn't know then that it actually was the Leibniz approach) to clear up all the confusion, as the existing article was totally confused. I encountered strenuous resistance from editors whose knowledge of the topic was generally limited to simple circular motion scenarios. This year, I finally reached the stage where the existence of the Leibniz approach has finally been acknowledged, but editor dicklyon is trying to mask it out by claiming that it is just the same as the rotating frames of reference approach. See how he removed it today from the disambiguation page. And it most certainly isn't the same as the rotating frames/fictitious approach. It would seem that when students learn the topic of centrifugal force from the rotating frames of reference perspective, that they dig into it, and they will forever refuse to acknowledge that any other approach exists. Once they've been taught that centrifugal force is fictitious, that's it. Neither sources nor rational argument will ever persuade them otherwise.David Tombe (talk) 00:02, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Hi, sorry for bother you, i know you always have a lot to do, but i need help, im searching for justice. In wikipedia spanish, I have contributed very well for more than 2 month, at first i without knowing did copyvio, but they told me what to do, and i was doing it the best i could, as i always try to do. However, since a few days ago, i have had a few problems: a user named amadis: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario:Amad%C3%ADs ; have been erasing my contributions, saying: "you only do copyvio, just put cites of the press or the radio, o references from the radio". the second part is true:i have a pentium III-im from peru- and i go to the university so i have no time, and also my computer doesnt support well the press-webs because its to heavy for my 56 of memory.So i have to go with somre review of press of RFI: http://www.rfi.fr/actues/articles/113/article_11794.asp; because theyre a different news that i copy to wordpad, make a resume, and edit to wikipedia, and also I say what the newspaper says as i have seen before. And I dont do anymore copyvio, it wasnt my intention, i was copying a lots of sentences from article of WSJ, and I didnt referenced it well but they told me how and i do it now! But Amadis says i that its not enough, but once a Gons make a edi1t of an edit i did so i copy her the way she reference the article as you can see here: http://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_New_York_Times&diff=25237585&oldid=25228150; its very similar to my last contribution: http://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Citigroup&diff=26076641&oldid=26072650 and i didnt do copyvio, and instead of helping me or go and look that he is right, he just say "momoelf is suspicious for copyvio" and erase it at once, and also say that that is a press review what is false its a new of WSJ like people do in a lot of wikipedia article. I told the library Lucien: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario_Discusi%C3%B3n:Lucien_leGrey#Hola_lucien but he didnt give me and answer, so i dont know what to do, i have proof of what im saying, ive been doing the same as i have seen, i just want to contributed but they erase everything i do, plz help this are my contribution: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Especial:Contribuciones/Momoelf; i havent vandalized instead i have created article always with references, i do sometimes only a few lines, because i think that little by little things go bigger and i dont have a lot of time also. Plz if im doing something wrong tell me and i wont repeat it, i always ask and nobody answer me i have a lot of proofs about that. Here is the user, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lucien_leGrey ; nobody dare to answer anything, they didnt give me any proof the way i do it, they just say you are banned you are banned you dont deserve any explanations.

I just want to contribute, i feel useful when im making wikipedia better plz answer me--Momoelf (talk) 17:37, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This user has now been blocked indefinitely. Griffinofwales (talk) 19:10, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The user has received 4 blocks. 1 for violating the etiquette rule, 1 for trolling, and 2 for block evasion, the last one being indef. Griffinofwales (talk) 19:16, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much!

I've just been checking my subpages to realise you had signed my guestbook. Thank you very much for doing that, I really do appreciate that. Ross Rhodes (T C) Sign! 18:14, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I like to do it and usually do when people ask, but sometimes I've accidentally overlooked requests or meant to get to them later and forgot, etc. People shouldn't take it as a slight if I screw up and overlook requests. I like guestbooks, maybe I'll start one of my own. :-) --Jimbo Wales (talk) 18:29, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think you should; you'd definitely have the largest guestbook by a day! Let me know if you do make one, cause I'll want to sign it first (or second if you sign it). :) Ross Rhodes (T C) Sign! 18:48, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to look at some of my subpages. I like people to know more about me, especially great and honouable people. Just by looking at my userbox page, you'd probably know more about me than some of my friends. Ross Rhodes (T C) Sign! 21:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, too. I can't believe Jimmy Wale actually signed my autograph book! :) You should have one, too. --How may I serve you? Marshall Williams2 01:00, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
While you're at it, please sign mine.  :) -download ׀ sign! 03:58, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Could you please sign mine as well? Thanks! --Dylan620 Efforts · Toolbox 21:33, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your Majesty...

King Jimbo I, can I be your Duke? Make Download! your Earl, and Alf your Lord. Rory (talk) 07:23, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can't I have apart as a duke or something? Ross Rhodes (T C) Sign! 15:01, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, me too! --How may I serve you? Marshall Williams2 20:32, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Could we please keep this off Jimbo's talk page? Thanks, –Juliancolton | Talk 20:39, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Pfft, why? It's not like there's anything else to do around here. --Closedmouth (talk) 08:06, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

About your idea for a guestbook...

Could I create it for you? I mean, only if you want. Ross Rhodes (T C) Sign! 21:31, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Complaint against admins and users on the linguistics community

Hello. I'm writing to you as a last resort, after having tried all other methods to solve this "dispute". I've left a short message on the help desk, but since that page is mostly for questions on how to use Wikipedia, I haven't elaborated the complaint there.

I'd like to officially register a complaint against various administrators and community members on Wikipedia for disruption, censorship, vandalism, biased POV pushing and indiscriminate banning and blocking of other "non-clan" users who try to edit the article.

These users specifically include Angr, Andrew Carnie, Kwami, Taivo, Garik, dab, LingNut and rjanag.

I'd request you to have a look at the talk page archives of the article, as well as the article's own edit history, but I'm also summing up the discussion as briefly as possible for you.

The dispute basically is about the inclusion of certain schools of thought in the study of linguistics, which these above people (as admins or users or community members), claim "is not linguistics". They claim that "there is nothing called post-structural linguistics" and that the given title is "made up" and "imagined", when in fact the Google books results and various other sources display that it has a long history of almost three to four decades. They also claim that that thinkers like Jacques Derrida, Michel Foucault, and Roland Barthes, are not "linguists" -- who were in fact a part of this "post-structural linguistics" movement.

These above users have also gone ahead and deleted and indefinitely locked a sourced article that was created on post-structural linguistics without the discussion being completed. There have been sources provided for this from day one, but they've been choosing to ignore it.

As far as consensus goes, even a blind person might be able to see that there are enough people on the community's talk page as well as on the AFD discussion of post-structural linguistics, who support it. These users, who are biased and are abusing their power as wiki admins, are ignoring and deleting perfectly well sourced material.

This, therefore, in my view, amounts to censorship, vandalism, and POV pushing. Linguistics is an important topic, and I care about it, which is why I've been involved with this fruitless debate with the community for so many long months. I also care about other articles on wikipedia, where I may be unable to participate and comment, but which also I fear might be endangered by such proliferation and misuse by the same people. These articles under such administrators are also under threat, and since I feel Wikipedia is inherently a good initiative, and is a well intentioned project that has had a good impact on the cyberworld, I think my efforts are not being wasted.

I trust your judgment on this problem, and request you to look into the matter. I think action needs to be taken on the admins and users that I've mentioned above.

Thanks. Most sincerely, Supriya. Tsupre (talk) 15:57, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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