Talk:Moka pot

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Talk page created on 2006-09-11.

Moka Cup Size

Corrected the size of the average moka cup from 10 to 20 ml after direct measurement (I agree I was a bit pessimistic). Removed the 10-cl argument, since it was in the wrong place and obviously made by someone with no direct experience. I understand that an American coffee drinker can hardly believe how small Italian cups are, but I assure the correctness of my statement. Tassone 13:07, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Extra-pressure Moka versions

I have a great Moka pot at home that has an extra pressure-stopper on top of the upper spout. It's made by the Bialetti company just the same, but it actually gives my coffee a crema. I don't see any reference to this machine, though I'm fairly sure there used to be, somewhere on Wikipedia. Does anyone know what happened to the older article? --Eli Brody 08:26, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Eli, Shalom..

I believe you are talking about the Brikka model by bialetti. There is a short stub at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brikka

Kol Tuv, Myron Joshua 212.199.119.26 18:46, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added a Brikka section, I think the stub should be removed.Geo8rge (talk) 18:17, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Patented Shape

I removed this factoid from "trivia:"

The shape of the Moka Express is patented

Even if the Moka shape was patented (which seems reasonable) the design patent should not have lasted more than 20 years and would have expired. Perhaps it was supposed to mean "trademarked"? Please fix this (ideally while providing a citation) before adding it back to the article. Thanks! —mako ๛ 13:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think is trademarked. Imitations usually have some slight difference in design (ten-sided base instead of eight-sided, or a cylindrical upper part). StefanoC 12:12, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Moka vs. Espresso cooker

I had a look at the (German) page for Espresso cookers, and I don't find many differences with Italian-style mokas, unless it's the material (stainless steel instead of aluminium). StefanoC 12:12, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not a how-to

The tips section I added was removed as "WP is not a howto". While I appreciate that point, this conflicts with the "Brewing" and "Maintenance" sections which provide guidance on the use of the device (similar to a howto). Additionally, I don't see how brewing tips would impact the quality of the article and would be of use to visitors (as the brewing and maintenance sections are). If the tips are better referenced and written as paragraphs can they be included again, or is there a seperate page where they can be placed? Singelet 11:48, 14 January 2008 (CAT)

A few notes on the usage of a moka are fine in the context of explaining what it is and how it works, but listing a "tips" section such as would be found in a manual is outwith the spirit of Wikipedia. An externally linked page with such comprehensive information would be fine under WP:NOT and WP:EL. Deiz talk 11:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the clarification. Singelet 14:11, 14 January 2008 (CAT) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.23.137.211 (talk)

vs Espresso

I'm not sure I understand, this page and the page for Espresso both say there's a difference but also say that this is how Espresso was first made. That doesn't make sense. The product may be different, but if this is an early version of espresso, saying that this isn't true espresso seems to mischaracterize the product.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 20:15, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Doug, are you confused bacause it's said that steam pressure was used in both, the first espresso cookers and the Moka pan? True espresso brew requires a ralatively high brewing pressure, the Moka pan doesn't get close to that. The first espresso makes used steam, but the steam pressure was higher as in Moka pans. So Moka pan (or similar) has never been used to brew true espresso.

Roman

88.195.98.165 (talk) 10:19, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, well then I think we need to find sources for both articles to show this. In any case, the product of a Moka pot is not ordinary coffee, more like Turkish or Arabic Coffee (produced by boiling very finely ground coffee in water, separation is by settling), or light espresso. I drink a fairly strong black coffee but my Moka pot coffee is the closest thing I've seen to espresso. I think it was on the manufacturer's page that I saw that Moka pot coffee was half way between regular coffee and espresso, sort of like a Café Americano.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 18:24, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would note also that at least one of the references on this article calls it "moka pot coffee (or stovetop espresso)". --Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 18:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Retailers like Sweetmarias.com and others use the term Moka Pot, so I think the term is in common use.

Every source I've seen highlights that this is not espresso, as does common sense and a look at the Espresso page. There is no real (<100 mm H2O) pressure involved. I was surprised to find the article consistently and blatantly wrong about this. It is simply hot water passing through grounds and a sieve, i.e. coffee. I won't start an edit war, though. I hope actives with more time will. 85.23.51.77 (talk) 20:26, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Name change?

Although it's probably the most common name by far, Moka Espress is a trademark of Bialetti. In the same line as Frisbee, I suggest this should be renamed Moka pot or Espresso pot, both names are used in sources.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 06:30, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree I also think the Brikka article should be merged with this one. I also think mention of generic moka pots should be mentioned Geo8rge (talk) 17:32, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So which is it? "Moka pot" or "Espresso pot". I can't find any information on the use of the word "Moka" in Italian prior to the invention of the "Moka Express", so it may just be an adaptation of the trademark name. Bialetti seems to call them "Stovetop espresso makers" or maybe "Espresso pots", when describing what the "Moka Express" is.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 16:43, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cruising the BialetteUSA site, it is called a coffee maker. I saw very few references to espresso anywhere on their site. Even Brikka is called a stovetop coffee maker. Stovetop espresso is probably not a term used or invented by the Bialetti company. Geo8rge (talk) 04:29, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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moka pot dosage

The average moka pot dosage is 150mL of water, and 17 grams of ground coffee. When you are finished you get 3 servings 50mL each. Phil (talk) 20:25, 20 February 2009 (UTC)Phil[reply]