Talk:John Calipari

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Cal's Memphis stats and win-loss records need to be updated and examined for consistency throughout the article. The stats seem to be as of the end of last year (2004-2005 season).

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Stats need to be updated at the end of the season, but not during the season. Constant editing after each game doesn't serve much of a purpose.

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Added additional information, including breaking down his coaching record year-by-year

Coaching records updated for 2006-2007

All coaching records have been updated for 2006-2007. Gregchilders 00:15, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Calipari, Williams, and Self led two schools each to NCAA Tournament #1 seed

John Calipari led the University of Massachusetts to a #1 seed in 1996, and Memphis in 2006.

Roy Williams led Kansas to a #1 seed in 1992, 1995, 1997, 1998, 2002, and North Carolina in 2005 and 2007.

Bill Self led Illinois to a #1 seed in 2001, and Kansas in 2005.

Gregchilders 14:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

All three coaches led their respective schools to the 2008 NCAA Championship as #1 seeds.

Gregchilders 01:26, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

FYI, Rick Pitino has now done this as well with Kentucky and Louisville. He too won a championship as a one seed with Kentucky in 1996. 23:54, 30 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.236.6.102 (talk)

Only Roy Williams won more games after 15 seasons

"And they have Calipari, a coaching animal and Larry Brown disciple, whose track record speaks for itself. Calipari has won more games (374) in his first 15 years than any other coach beside Hall of Famer Roy Williams, who won 418 in that period at storied Kansas before moving on to North Carolina. He is one of only three coaches — along with Williams and Bill Self of Illinois and Kansas — who have coached two different teams to No. 1 seeds."

Source: Calipari using familiar formula for success Gregchilders 22:44, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 17:39, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

No mention of the shady dealings at UMASS?

Laughable, and deserving of the POV tag. Crotchety Old Man (talk) 16:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

John Calipari was cleared of all wrongdoing at UMass by the NCAA. Wikipedia articles should only contain factual information, and not rumors. The only sanction handed down by the NCAA to UMass during Calipari's tenure resulted from player Marcus Camby accepting money from an agent. UMass had to forfeit their 4-1 record from the 1996 NCAA Tournament, but that was it. Calipari was cleared by the NCAA, and was given no sanctions himself. Even the Wikipedia article about the UMass Minutemen mentions it. Gregchilders 23:14, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

• If you can back up statements made through reliable sources, then by all means you should add the info Corpx (talk) 20:47, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Crotchety Old Man was the one who made the claims of impropriety with no reliable sources. He was the one to hang the POV tag. So far, he's made accusations but posted no proof. Seems to me the burden of proof is on him. As for my statements, a simple Google search can confirm the whole thing. Gregchilders 03:03, 31 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregchilders (talk • contribs)

I believe that the POV tag should be removed, as the absence of rumors is not equivalent to a POV violation. CopaceticThought (talk) 03:41, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

So the wins being vacated were just a rumor? Interesting. Crotchety Old Man (talk) 10:55, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

If the trip to the Final Four was officially removed from the records of the NCAA, it should at the very least be included on Calipari's page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Terrapinheel (talk • contribs) 13:27, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Again, the NCAA Tournament records were vacated because Marcus Camby accepted money from an agent. The coach was cleared by the NCAA of any wrongdoing, but the school had to vacate the games because of the actions of the player. Gregchilders 04:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregchilders (talk • contribs)

I went ahead and put a mention of it in the article. Can we remove the tag now? CopaceticThought (talk) 08:46, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Kentucky

Undid the mention of him accepting the job at Kentucky, as this has not been confirmed anywhere.

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—Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.27.161.161 (talk) 18:34, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

The page inaccurately lists him as Kentucky's Head Coach. This has not been confirmed by anyone and only attributed to unnamed sources. The news articles linked as the source of this information clearly identifies this information as unconfirmed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.79.131.136 (talk) 23:50, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

The article again says he is the head coach, which is speculation, not fact as of now. Someone enjoys compromising Wikipedia's journalistic standards. In addition, as to past problems with the NCAA, Seth Davis writes today, "Calipari's past NCAA transgressions also could be problematic for a program still sensitive of its image following the recruiting scandal left behind by Eddie Sutton in the late-1980s." http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/basketball/ncaa/mens-tournament/03/30/calipari/?eref=sircrc 00:09, 31 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.236.6.102 (talk)

While SI hasnt confirmed it, numerous others have confirmed it, which is enough to meet the reliable source requirement of WP Corpx (talk) 02:23, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, it is now confirmed, so perhaps someone really likes proping up Wickedpedia's journalistic standards. In fact, removing it is what compromises the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.176.181.173 (talk) 02:47, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

It is being "reported" that he has accepted the position, that is different than "confirmed." Until Memphis, Kentucky, or Calipari confirms the story the article should continue to list him as coach of University of Memphis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.79.131.136 (talk) 02:51, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Since this page declared Calipari the new coach at Kentucky, ESPN and others have repeatedly reported that Calipari was still deciding -- wanted to sleep on it, was thinking it over this afternoon, etc. Therefore, this Calipari page has been wrong since yesterday and as the page is protected a good samaritan is unable to correct it. This statement is wildly misleading: "On March 30, 2009, four days after Memphis' season ending loss to Missouri in the NCAA Tournament, it was reported that Calipari will agree to be the head coach at the University of Kentucky.[1] Calipari rejected a counter offer by Memphis for Kentucky's 6 year, $40 million contract.[2]"

Someone is reporting hopes on Wikipedia, not facts, and that diminishes Wikipedia as a valuable resource for others. My hope is that people stop abusing WP. -- 21:25, 31 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.100.244 (talk)

Memphis players have confirmed the move. Contract details are still not public, won't know all that until a press conference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.140.165.68 (talk) 23:50, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Official Website

John Calipari made several announcements this week that his new official website http://www.coachcal.com (example 1, example 2, and example 3) - which can be verified as coming "from the horse's mouth" as the new home for his "Official Website" - I don't want to get into an edit war, but when I looked at the page today and noticed that the site was not correctly linked in the bio, I simply corrected the URL (since www.coachcalipari.com has been a dead link for quite sometime) and this is being constantly edited with attacking comments (WP: is not a crystal ball) because of the current content of the site (a countdown to the official launch time of noon Thursday, July 23, 2009.)

Regardless of the content, there has been a longstanding portion of the bio linking to a dead site with no content other than a 404 page, when the subject of the bio himself states that his official website is found at another location, what is wrong with correcting a bad link. Regardless of the content of the site - it is easy to show it is the "Official Web Site of John Calipari" WP is also not a battleground. However, what is confusing to me is the choice to remove content that is valid and verifiable because one simply doesn't like the content. Bonked (talk) 19:46, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I haven't gotten involved in the reverting, but I agree that the link to coachcal.com should stay. It has been made abundantly clear that this is his official site and will have content very soon. Acdixon ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 20:08, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

"wp:NOT a crystal ball" is not an attacking comment, it is a Wikipedia Guideline.
Any wp:RS that identify this? Twitter is not. There is no copyright.
Recommend against. wp:other stuff exists doesn't mean it is good stuff.
2 removals of new unsourced content is not "constantly".
Thank you for starting a discussion.- sinneed (talk) 20:22, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Although it's obviously his official site, there's no content there, so it serves no use to readers. Wikipedia:EL#What_to_link suggests excluding it - the 'content' is not accessible, useful, informative etc, and the site is not functional. Until it has some content that is useful, it should be left out. --hippo43 (talk) 20:24, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

No problem - I started discussion because I felt it need to be started. Yes, we can verify that John Calipari's official twitter account is the one linked above, if need be I can give links from ESPN and other third party sources regarding that. Thanks for commenting regarding the Crystal Ball comment - I don't edit much here - I just noticed an invalid link and corrected it. I do however think there is no reason not to retain the site as John Calipari has made several statements recently outside of twitter telling people to follow his twitter feed for more information about his new official site (http://www.wkyt.com/blogs/tvtimeout/51103322.html "Witness... the Internet has become Calipari's playground. Already, he has more than 400,000 followers on Twitter. Soon, the coach will launch his web site, which he says will be unlike any other. Here's a guy who's not afraid to embrace technology and find ways to promote his team.", http://www.courier-journal.com/blogs/dawson/2009/07/so-what-did-i-miss.html "John Calipari said in a Twitter message this morning that UK will "launch a brand new project this week," calling it "the result of months of effort and research." Could this be Calipari's much-discussed website? Stay tuned.") He has been constantly asked about this new site since making the boast last month that he would be launching a unique, unprecedented official website that "will be the website to end all websites."

I don't know if it will live up to the hype, but we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater - regardless of the content of the site - it is obvious that will change sometime tomorrow afternoon at the latest and the link shouldn't be killed because of content - it seems most bios link to "official websites" regardless of content, and I would assume that is why it is in a section of the template. The guy made the announcement yesterday, it is linked above, and there is no valid reason to remove the link because it isn't whiz-bang full of content right now. It is still his "official website."

Seriously, how are we served by hoping that someone comes back in ~19 hours and do another edit? (if need be I'll do it) Bonked (talk) 20:37, 22 July 2009 (UTC)