Talk:Webster Tarpley

Personal Information

- Where was he born? - When was he born?

These two informations should stand on top of the article, as they do on most other people's biography —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.108.103.172 (talk) 17:31, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Done. ProgressivePress (talk) 08:25, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

The above are good questions. This article lacks any criticism of Tarpley. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.242.70.63 (talk) 12:03, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

The paragraph on Kennebunkport Warning isn't critical enough? ProgressivePress (talk) 08:25, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

The problem is that quite many articles lack these basic facts, i.e. when someone was born, and where. I think that is a basic information that needs to be included for these kind of articles. The article grows and grows, but people have no slightest idea of the origin of a person. 80.108.103.172 (talk) 22:02, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Title of page should be Webster Tarpley, not Webster G. Tarpley

It seems to me that the name of this page has been changed from Webster Tarpley to Webster G. Tarpley. Not a good change. Tarpley goes by the name Webster Griffin Tarpley or else simply by Webster Tarpley. I don't think he uses the form Webster G. Tarpley much. There are only 33,000 Google hits on "Webster G. Tarpley" and 238,000 on "Webster Tarpley."
How can we change the name back?
Also, is it possible to get an archive copy of the deleted page (and the deletion discussion) for his book, 9/11 Synthetic Terror? JPLeonard 04:33, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

External links

Thanks for making the name change. What about external links (Audio, video)? Why were those deleted?JPLeonard 17:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I have added a few words regarding the availability of the Bush book for anyone interested in a free read. Considering it was written 15 years ago, it was a marvelous insight into the future, like it or hate it!

http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

for the whole thing.

http://www.tarpley.net/bushbook.zip (about 1 MB) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.170.140.101 (talk) 07:58, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Robert David Steele

I found the Wiki page for our #1 non fiction reviewer on Amazon. I also spoke to him and asked how we can verify he is #1 non fiction reviewer. He said that last time he checked the list, everybody ahead of him reviewed fiction, movies, dvd's etc, so he was the top in non-fiction.

Robert has a fascinating suggestion about how to improve Wikipedia, which I think could be really useful, because I have found it can be so frustrating that it is not worth the time adding material to have it torn down in 24 hours. He wrote at his own Wiki entry discussion page:

"I continue to believe in Wikipedia, but it needs two things to really survive all these fools[a reference to destructive types in the CIA]: a "lock down" on documents facts that mature editors can block for frivolous change without a nomination process; and a graduated scale that limits newcomers to posting new stuff but not destroying old stuff."
A perceptive comment.

Robert D. Steele is a "top 50 reviewer." Meaning he earned an Amazon "badge" for reviewing lots of books on Amazon. To call him a top non-fiction reviewer is inaccurate.Njsamizdat (talk) 08:35, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think tihs qualifies as a WP:RS. I'm going to delete the Steele review.   Will Beback  talk  04:19, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Summary Information

I just edited some of the summary a little bit ago, and the read the article more closely. It seems that the information in the summary is not in the article at all. It should either be cited in the summary, or expanded in the article, and cited there. I'll be happy to do this myself, if somebody else will respond with a couple of links to start me off in that direction. Umeboshi 04:12, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I just did a google search for tarpley emphasizing the 911tm as being vital to stopping a 30yr nuke war, but couldn't find anything like it. I specifically looked at these two articles:

• "All Options Are On The Table"
• Webster Tarpley on the Real Causes of 9/11

It's starting to be bedtime for me, so my mind is running slow. I'm sorry if I'm being to pedantic about this, but I believe being that way helps with the overall credibility (and I'll take on some of the work required for it, else I wouldn't say anything at all). I guess I'm rambling a little. Umeboshi 04:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Sources and references tag

Am I alone in thinking that this tag is unwarranted? The citations (all 3 of them) are from 9/11 movement sources but document unremarkable statements, like his appearance at a conference, the organiser and the number of times a discussion was televised. Assuch I don't see why 3 rd party citations are necessary except as an ideal. I'll remove the tag shortly unless anyone has a serious objection.Felix-felix 00:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, after that spectacular response, I've removed it. Although I suspect nobody really cares anyway....Felix-felix 17:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

First Para

I reverted the last edit made on the first para by user:Tom Harrison, as the edit seemed more restrictive and less accurate than the previous one, for example, 'conspiracist lecturer and author' is unnecessarily restrictive as he doesn't just lecture and write about false flags etc. Er, ..so there you go. But obviously remain open to sugesstions.Felix-felix 14:33, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I also reverted the inclusion of 'conspiracy theorist' to the intro-as although his subjects often include what people would commonly understand by conspiracy theory, it's also a perjorative, and therefore probably POV. I think that you get a good flavour of his subjects, and more specifically what they're actually about in the intro para, so I'm not sure what adding the generalisation 'conspiracy theorist' really adds except possible POV.FelixFelix ^talk 15:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Bush administration engineering 9/11 ?

The second sentence of this article reads: "He maintains that the events of 9/11 were engineered by the Bush administration."

I'm not sure that this is correct. Tarpley seems to make many references to a "rogue network" which is pulling the strings to which Bush is simply giving in to. In his book, "9/11: Synthentic Terror" there is a chapter called "Angel is Next" which details the supposed threats made to Air Force One on 9/11/2001. This chapter paints a picture of Bush relenting to the demands of the mentioned network.

Of course what is meant by "Bush administration" is a little vague. Can the administration mean just certain members or appointees and not include Bush himself?

Wikipedia should try to be as close as possible to the original wordings. If Tarpley did not say "Bush Administration" but instead referred to a "rogue network" then it should be worded that way. 80.108.103.172 (talk) 22:00, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

"Conspiracy Theorist"

I'm against this phrase being used in the intro para, as

• It doesn't tell you anything about him not already covered in the para, apart from the implied fact that you don't believe him.
• It's an empty perjorative that defies definition itself.

And thus, I reckon it's inclusion is POV.FelixFelix ^talk 10:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Weasel words

I removed the passage;

"Critics of Tarpley note that he still sells copies of the book on the Bush family he co-authored while working for conspiracy theorist and antisemitic cult leader Lyndon LaRouche." For not only having weasel words, but also for BLP vio for Lyndon Larouche. There's no need for that.FelixFelix ^talk 17:38, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

"This article contains weasel words, vague phrasing that often accompanies biased or unverifiable information. Such statements should be clarified or removed." Since it doesn't specify which words are weasels, this criticism is itself vague and weasely, and ought to be clarified or removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JPLeonard (talk • contribs) 20:46, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Criticism

Deleting the entire criticsm section was POV and contentious.--Cberlet 18:28, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Sounding Like another Wiki 'Love Piece'

Please remove from Wiki.

Tarpley is a completely irrelevant fringe figure.

With relation to the LaRouche cult:

"Fascist, Jew-hater, Cult Leader, Convicted Felon...and Now an Accessory to Murder?"

http://dennisking.org/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46883-2004Oct20_5.html

"...they might try to shoot me," she says, speaking softly. "Then the world would know the truth, wouldn't they?"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/larouche/main.htm

"The preponderance [of early members] have left in disgust," said one former member. "They realized they've wasted years of their lives . . . . I woke up one day and realized I hadn't thought about the cult for two months. That's when you know you're back to normal. It took a couple of years."

Fascinating-in what way are these links pertinent to Webster Tarpley?(and don't forget to sign in.)FelixFelix ^talk 00:19, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I have inserted a small amount of text about LaROuche and Tarpley's relationship to the LaRouche network. It is appropriate to the page. See lengthy discussion at Worldwide LaRouche Youth Movement. Please do not delete properly cited text without a discussion.--Cberlet 13:05, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Chip, You may be a professional Larouche buster, and good for you, I'm sure-but that doesn't mean that we have to suffer irrelevant (and contentious) invective about Larouche in every article about anyone who has been associated with his organisations. I have also removed an irrelevant citation (an Amazon listing for the book) and a repated one (the HNN citation). Please don't replace these. And if you want to pick a fight with some actual Larouchies, then by all means do so, but do it somewhere else-improving this article is what we should be doing here.FelixFelix ^talk 16:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm curious as to why this is such a long piece. Tarpley does not seem to be a very influential journo, his work looks to be mostly self-published and very much on the fringe. A lot of the material could be dramatically condensed without losing any understanding of him or his ouvre.Njsamizdat (talk) 16:41, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

The paragraph on his radio show was unnecessarily long so I trimmed it to a single sentence. Also Tarpley does not publish his books himself. JPLeonard (talk) 22:42, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Quote: "I'm curious as to why this is such a long piece." So you would prefer a stub? The material here helps to show that Tarpley is notable enough for the page to survive attempts to delete it. ProgressivePress (talk) 08:42, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:G Bush Unauthorized Bio.jpg

Image:G Bush Unauthorized Bio.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:13, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Small images of book covers are fair use according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Non-free_book_cover. This image should not have been deleted. Fotozheni (talk) 05:47, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Synt3ed.jpg

Image:Synt3ed.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 06:27, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Small images of book covers are public domain. The images should not have been deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JPLeonard (talk • contribs) 21:52, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Significant problems with article

This article gives undue weight to a series of fringe claims, without any balancing mainstream material or other context. Most of the supporting references are from unreliable sources - blogs, youtube videos and an amazon reviewer. If the unverifiable/unreliable material is removed that would seem to leave very little (which is why I am adding this note rather than immediately making the edits). LeContexte (talk) 09:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Censorship and vandalism of images

Images of book covers that I as the publisher and copyright holder have uploaded to the Commons and posted to this page have been repeatedly removed with amazing rapidity under the disingenuous pretense of "copyright violation." To me it's clear this is censorship and vandalism.

I have uploaded the front cover of Tarpley's biography of George Bush, his 911 Synthetic Terror, and the schema of his model of the rogue network of false flag terror several times. I am the creator and copyright holder of these images and I want them to be on Wikipedia and in the public domain. I have stated that each time I uploaded them, trying to follow the Wikipedia templates for uploading own content closely.

Continued harassment and deletion is very much in keeping with the banner message about lack of neutrality here. Tarpley's wiki page is under constant attack by thought control thugs because of his political stance.

I appeal to the editors or moderators to put a stop to this vandalism.ProgressivePress (talk) 23:28, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I resonded in part on your user page. In my cursory review, it appear that the book cover files are missing necessary information. Read the notices on each image page. Many include automatic deltion provisions if no response is made. It looks like it's more of a project-wide bureaucratic enforcement than anything to do with the content of this article.   Will Beback  talk  04:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Martin H has explained to me that the issues with the Bush Bio cover relate to some images used within the cover. I think it would be a good idea when editors delete an image that they give a good reason like that. ProgressivePress (talk) 07:03, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Now Eusebius who deleted one of my images with the comment "don't upload images that have been deleted," has explained a couple things, 1. it's best to ask administrator in such cases, and 2. that fair use images are accepted on Wikipedia, but not on Commons, so I should post fair use images directly to Wikipedia. For which I thank him. The policy I saw about book covers being fair use must be a Wikipedia policy. I wonder if there is a definition as to what file size limit constitutes a thumbnail of a book cover? Also how do you ask an administrator? Thanks for any more tips anyone. I'm also not clear how to post an image to Wikipedia, without uploading it to Wiki Commons. ProgressivePress (talk) 08:46, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

You should discuss Eusebius's comment with him. Every user account has a talk page (even yours, which you should read promptly). The suggested size limit for fair use images is 300 pixels in the longest dimension. However, fair use images can only be used in cases where the work is discussed directly. Merely listing the book, etc, isn't sufficient cause for invoking the fair use exemption. I don't understand your problem with uploading to Wiki Commons versus Wikipedia. One the side of my screen is a link, "Upload file", for uploading to Wikipedia.   Will Beback  talk  09:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Citation needed

Right now there exists this phrase in the article: "In January 2008, Tarpley became one of the first critics to assert that Barack Obama is actually managed by right-wing powerbrokers.[citation needed]" I am not sure when I saw the video (perhaps December 2008 as I made a comment here earlier too), but he made several statements back then, and the videos should still be somewhere (perhaps youtube). I dont know if wikipedia accepts youtube as "proof" - wikipedia could download the flash files locally, at least for reference - but the videos exist where he made his accusation against Obama. So at least the reference to "citation needed" should be removed, citing youtube (or wherever else the videos would be hosted)