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OK, despite the various deletions (including Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Civony), I've created a new article, based on the The Guardian source. Being called "the world's most despised game" by them seems notable. Rd232 talk 08:39, 17 July 2009 (UTC) on the game it is best to be in the lombardy region and their try really hard to join the alliance devildog(build an embassy first[reply]

Yeah, but you don't really talk about the game at all. It is just a string of gripes. I came to this article to get basic info. Telling me it is like Civilization is not enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.60.230 (talk) 23:39, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, and I too got nothing from the advertisement about what the game was about. Showing me boobs is not enough.
I rely on wiki every day to provide me with details that the people who originally ripped off the game content, IP, text, and images forgot to mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.126.87.107 (talk) 03:39, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Is it me, or does the adverts not quite pertain to the ... game? Zeldakitten, aka Zeyra to some. Discuss edits and alike here. 17:02, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


This article really needs changing...'adverts show more and more of their boobs...can't wait until the next ad?' some game type info would be useful —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewgrier (talk • contribs) 17:09, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I added some, but Rd232 removed it. I'll put it back. It's even sourced! (And what you mentioned there was vandalism, by the way. It's since been reverted.) As much as I dislike this game, I think gameplay is certainly worth mentioning/including, since that's kind of the whole point of a game. BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 19:22, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's not, however, the whole point of this game, apparently... john k (talk) 23:00, 28 July 2009 (UTC

The Guardian calling the game "the world's most despised game" is definitely notable considering all the similar things that have been said about the games marketing by other websites. Also does anyone else find it offensive that the marketing relies on guys using the internet to be so desperate for female interaction of any kind (even virtual interaction) that they'll click on an ad just because it shows some cleavage? I'm wondering if that would be worth mentioning as well.

I saw the game advertised on a site and it was about 3a.m., so I was bored enough to play it. I'm old enough to know that beautiful women on ads is a tactic, apparently not everyone on there knew that, many people said "where is that woman who invited me?" I played for maybe 4 or 5 days, and now one of my cities is being ravaged by a guy who must've paid $60+ (payments are in $30s) to have a massive army. It's horrible how much real money influences the game, the single sentence on the wiki page doesn't really explain how horrible it is. King Rhyono (talk) 15:23, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Evony wiki

Recently, several facts were added with Evonypedia as the source. I checked on the Reliable Source Noticeboard, and external wikis don't count as reliable sources, so the reference will probably need to be removed. Can anyone find any reliable sources with the same info? BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 21:34, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources need to be reliable

I've tagged the article because there's too much non-RS sourcing. Talk-sites, company sites, and in the case of the reference for copied graphics, there is no actual comparison; instead the reader is invited by the article to make the comparison (which is, in effect, WP:OR#SYNTH).

There should be enough decent sources out there, as ads for Evony have been all over the net like a nasty rash.VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 15:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the excessive external links tag. I didn't see why it was needed, as there is only one EL, and it's relevant. If you disagree, give a holler. BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 05:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The copied Civ description source, since removed, (http://www.arksark.org/blog/2009/07/05/evony-a-patchwork-of-stolen-parts/) did indeed have an actual comparison. There is a picture of Evony and Civilisation screens side by side.82.2.20.130 (talk) 23:25, 25 August 2009 (UTC)Neil[reply]

Redundancy

These sentences both appear in the Advertising Campaign section. "The images depicted females who, as the ad campaign continued, grew further and further unclothed, until the ad was simply a pair of breasts." "The advertisements' increasing amounts of nudity culminated in an advert that consisted of nothing but a pair of breasts." I think one of them should be deleted, or they should be combined. I'm not sure which one should be kept, I'll let someone else take care of it, just thought I should mention it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xdjx09x (talk • contribs) 06:10, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ive taken the liberty of combining these two into a single sentence :

"The advertisements' images depicted females who, as the ad campaign continued, grew further and further unclothed, until increasing amounts of nudity culminated in an advert that simply consisted of nothing but a pair of breasts, a pair of breasts." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.126.87.107 (talk) 03:55, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Publisher and Developer

Warning: COI and NPOV may apply.

I am an employee of Evony LLC, the company which has developed, published and owns all intellectual property pertaining to Evony™. There are a few items I would like to point out:

1. Currently the Evony™ entry in Wikipedia has the developer listed as an entity called Universal Multiplayer Game Entertainment. It also has the publisher listed as Universal Multiplayer Game Entertainment. This is incorrect. The correct developer and publisher is Evony, LLC. Trademarks are also filed under Evony, LLC. We would like this immediately fixed as the source document is incorrect and we are currently in the process of having that addressed. If you go to www.evony.com you will see that all items are copyright 2009 Evony, LLC very plainly on the bottom of each page and on the game itself. This has been there for quite some time. Bgiff (talk) 10:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Are you claiming copyright on the graphics you stole from AoE? 70.18.109.206 (talk) 12:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2. Sources for ownership of IP can be verified via the USPTO website looking at trademark serials 77757673[[1]] and 77757640[[2]] as well as IP Australia trademark 1312173[[3]].Bgiff (talk) 10:26, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Universal Multiplayer Game Entertainment is the current owner of Evony LLC. Site the case State of California vs Universal Multiplayer Game Entertainment as well as godaddys domain hiding service redirecting the whois requests. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.27.1.18 (talk) 20:00, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just because one company funds another and gives it a diffrent name does not make it another company in all.

Plants vs. Zombies

I realized I've been reverting a lot of things on this article that were written by anonymous users, and I really shouldn't delete things without discussion. That said... as of this edit, an anon deleted a portion of the 'advertising campaign' section about a game (Plants vs. Zombies) that ran/is running an ad campaign that parodies Evony's. I tend to believe that it's relevant and should be included, as other articles include similar types of references. Anyway, I'd like input, and it I don't get any soonish, I'll probably replace the information. Thanks. BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 02:44, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see anything wrong with that parody. Although I don't see parodies usually going in on wiki pages.Bgiff (talk) 05:08, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Me neither, I guess it's just that people hate you for plagiarising so badly =), so it stays. Haha —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.166.245.93 (talk) 11:48, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What is the corporate ownership of Evony LLC?

My edit, explaining the ownership of Evony LLC by the firm Universal Multiplayer Game Entertainment (UMGE), was removed by user Bgiff, who claims to be an employee of Evony LLC. My edit was properly referenced to the same news source that is used elsewhere in the article. Here is a quotation of the source:

"Evony is the product of Universal Multiplayer Game Entertainment (UMGE), a developer linked to a Chinese gold-farming operation called WoWMine."[4]

This is important and relevant information about Evony. It is improper to remove such information without cause, and if user Bgiff believes this information to be factually incorrect, he/she must document why. Furthermore, as the employer of Bgiff has initiated legal action against the publisher of this news source, user Bgiff should in good conscience refrain from editing relevant material.

I will soon edit the page again to make reference to the corporate ownership of Evony LLC. Given that this game and the associated criticisms seem to be becoming a major controversy, I ask that others take notice if user Bgiff again reverts this information.Tomyhoi (talk) 20:56, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The corporate ownership is firstly not discussed in the article you are referring to, instead the article is referring to the development and ownership of Evony: Age I. The corporate ownership of Evony, LLC is that it is a private limited liability company. The ownership of Evony and Evony: Age I is documented above with those sources. Bgiff (talk) 13:16, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please clarify the difference between Evony: Age I and Evony LLC. Was Eric Lam involved with Evony: Age 1? Where did Evony LLC come from? Who is responsible for creating Evony LLC? Tomyhoi (talk) 07:24, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

does anyone play this that is not an employee, and is it any good??? thanks Tim Tebow ROCKS!!!!!! (talk) 20:43, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a forum, so this question doesn't belong here. Svick (talk) 20:55, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Since Svick wasn't polite enough to say anything constructive, I would recommend that you check out the many sites that offer opinions on this game.Cranston Lamont (talk) 19:46, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Recent source

I am a bit dubious to that recently added source. Not only is the website quite NSFW, but how do we know she is not just a lookalike? The person in the adverts looks quite computer generated to me. Zeyra (talk) 17:46, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I made a careless mistake in trying to re-source it (apologies) - not noticing that her name was mentioned in the comments section. I agree that her website is not a good source. In addition, we know that at least one picture was lifted from a costume website.VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 02:21, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I added a quick fact about Evony using AoE2 graphics without permission. Said fact was removed for probably lacking proper source (since blogs aren't allowed as source apparently). Still it's a fact that I think shouldn't be ignored (it's obvious if you compare screen-shots of AoE2 and Evony, but original research isn't allowed here either). I been looking for a non-blog source regarding this issue, but hadn't any luck. Anyone else? Ailure (talk) 13:19, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Evony Player Perception" section

Said section seems pretty WP:OR and generally pointless, especially without references. Anyone for keeping it? Otherwise, we can chuck it... BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 15:40, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've reverted it - it's unsourced and clearly promotional. No need for discussion, really.VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 16:03, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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