User talk:KrebMarkt
You've been Loli'd
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For your taking the initiative and helping to step up and clean out the unnotable stuff from Wikipedia:Requested articles/Japan/Anime and Manga, and your general overall helpfulness with the project and its articles. Glad to have you here! -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 14:13, 28 January 2009 (UTC) |
Thanks, i'm contributing because it's interesting and fun. Barnstar is just icing on the cake :) --KrebMarkt 14:38, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
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DYK for Torikaebaya Monogatari
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Thank you
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Thank you for looking up French sources and providing translations so that we can improve articles and give them a wider perspective. Malkinann (talk) 20:56, 21 March 2009 (UTC) |
- Thanks :)
BarnSakura for Excellent Work
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I hereby award you the Anime and Manga BarnSakura for your awesome work in helping Azumanga Daioh retain its Good Article status! Great work overall and a great example of true cooperative editing in action :-) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC) |
Thanks :) I guess that other Quasi Random got the same accolade ;) I suck at editing as i'm not a native English writer and French educative system hammer you to write good simple & short English sentences. --KrebMarkt 06:34, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for refs
The French reviews of Crossroad (manga) are welcome but there are few editors in the Animanga wikiproject that can read/translate French into English. Can you translate the reviews please? Thanks. Extremepro (talk) 11:07, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
- Added to my to do list. Not today thought Talk:Cross_Game#French_reviews & Talk:Natsume's_Book_of_Friends#French_Refs got me burned for translation works for the day :p --KrebMarkt 12:29, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
- No translation yet but there are some English RS reviews ;) --KrebMarkt 22:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
- Most of the English reviews have now been used :) Extremepro (talk) 10:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
- No translation yet but there are some English RS reviews ;) --KrebMarkt 22:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
French Sources?
Hi! Boku wa Imōto ni Koi o Suru was published in France as Secret Sweetheart by Soleil. I found this site[1] that appears to be a review, but my French is 0% so I can't tell if its an RS or not. Manga News seems to have reviewed the first two volumes[2][3]. I couldn't seem to navigate Animeland, though it seemed like it had mention of it. If you get some time, could you help with checking those and adding any reliable ones to the reception section of the article? It could use some more content. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 06:00, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ok i will handle it the same way i'm doing for Cross Game. --KrebMarkt 06:21, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
- I've got articles with French reviews needing translation in my sandbox. Take your time to do them there's no rush. Thanks Extremepro (talk) 02:04, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Ironing jobs
Okay, just list them out in one place so I know what we've done and what's left to do:
Done Cross Game - reviews edited and used
- Aria (manga) - translations edited, need to be incorporated
- Undercurrent (manga) - translations edited, need to be incorporated
- Natsume's Book of Friends - translations edited, need to be incorporated
- Boku wa Imōto ni Koi o Suru - translations need to be edited
- Kashimashi: Girl Meets Girl - translations need to be edited
- Bunny Drop - reviews need to be translated
Have I missed anything? Given everything above it, you can take your own sweet time going about that last one (assuming you're willing). —Quasirandom (talk) 19:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Crazy road map ;)
- Aria (manga), i will probably do more translation works as there still reviews to be translated target is to push it GA, episodes list FL and chapters FL. Soundtracks well kicking it to B is already very unexpected to go further it would someone fluent in Japanese to track down additional material like interviews and podcasts.
- Undercurrent (manga), potential DYK and class B. All we miss is the development part but some article can live with it like Azumanga. I will then translate it back to French wiki where it doesn't exist yet.
- Natsume's Book of Friends, i still need to track down those Drama CD refs or else it will never get B regardless effort in every others part of the article.
- Boku wa Imōto ni Koi o Suru, i want to thanks you for that one as i'm dragging you on something that should not be your concern. The plan simple after-copy edit done we drop the plate to Collectionian and run as far as we can.
- Kashimashi: Girl Meets Girl, After copy-editing the stuff, the hardest will be to convince Juhachi that adding some elements of those reviews won't hurt the article. I guess you read my tired rant on this article discussion page?
- Did I ever say the reviews would "hurt" the article? I never thought that; quite the contrary, any reliable review will be good, but how much is added in to a single review is the concern I was addressing. In the end, I'm usually too lazy to add in additional reviews after an article's reception section has reached a large enough size. There is no "convincing" that needs to be done here; I hold no preconceptions of article ownership.--十八 19:34, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
- Laughing a bit :) Na nothing against you or ownership issue but courtesy requires that we reach consensus on "we are not going to screw up a GA article by adding additional stuffs". Any lingering belief that it may unbalances the article is bound to bring troubles later. Plus i must also get used to collaborate with you so i may be overly cautious --KrebMarkt 19:47, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
- Okay, now it's my turn to laugh inwardly. Courtesy...now that's a word I have not seen on Wikipedia in a long time. It's been so long, I had to laugh at myself. But that's a good thing to keep in mind; more editors should follow that example.--十八 01:50, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
- Laughing a bit :) Na nothing against you or ownership issue but courtesy requires that we reach consensus on "we are not going to screw up a GA article by adding additional stuffs". Any lingering belief that it may unbalances the article is bound to bring troubles later. Plus i must also get used to collaborate with you so i may be overly cautious --KrebMarkt 19:47, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
- Did I ever say the reviews would "hurt" the article? I never thought that; quite the contrary, any reliable review will be good, but how much is added in to a single review is the concern I was addressing. In the end, I'm usually too lazy to add in additional reviews after an article's reception section has reached a large enough size. There is no "convincing" that needs to be done here; I hold no preconceptions of article ownership.--十八 19:34, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
- Bunny Drop, Translation duty + i must think my rational on why a regional cultural generalist website is RS to review a manga.
- Yeah, I read the Kashimashi rant -- hadn't been up for replying myself. After working out what's useful, I'm likely to add whatever possible anyway. As for Aria, the entire Reception section needs revamping, to pull things I stuffed in the quote= fields into the main text -- I just haven't felt up to the job for a while. (I've got a pile of those in my sandbox.) —Quasirandom (talk) 20:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- I will give a shot myself the refs revamping for Aria articles that would free you more for what you are the best "Stylish & quality editing" ;)
- For my rant, i do translations and people are free to use them or not as they please. I don't bear grudge that only made me more selective for which article i will translate French materials. You can't help people against themselves. --KrebMarkt 21:09, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Addendum: If you & Collectonian want to bring Fruit Basket up to FA, i will translate French coverage when it reaches GA. --KrebMarkt 21:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm working myself up to returning to Fruits Basket -- gotta get my strength meter higher. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:47, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Need more rest and more practice and more coffee and more cider to return to Fruit basket ;) --KrebMarkt 22:05, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- No no no, cider first then coffee. Gotta do these in the right order. :-P —Quasirandom (talk) 00:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- Need more rest and more practice and more coffee and more cider to return to Fruit basket ;) --KrebMarkt 22:05, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm working myself up to returning to Fruits Basket -- gotta get my strength meter higher. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:47, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Addendum: If you & Collectonian want to bring Fruit Basket up to FA, i will translate French coverage when it reaches GA. --KrebMarkt 21:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Foreign relief efforts
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The Manga and Anime BarnSakura Award | |
For your work in helping find foreign sources for various anime articles, including Lupin III which aided in its retain its Good Article status, Please Save My Earth, Boku wa Imōto ni Koi o Suru, and Kashimashi: Girl Meets Girl. Thank you for all your help in this area and I hope you'll keep up the valuable work! -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC) |
- Unexpected yet very pleasant, Thanks ma'am :)
Otogi Matsuri
There are no English reviews for Otogi Matsuri: Dark Offering because it for indefinitely delayed but there are some reviews from 2 French websites: PlaneteBD and Manga Sanctuary. Would be a great help if you translate them. Thanks in advance. Extremepro (talk) 00:59, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
- Ok
- Lol. I owe you a bunch of translations. I will do it just that i must stop procrastinating. Translation you know when you start it but not when you end it that like war. --KrebMarkt 06:59, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Mobile Suit Gundam Seed Destiny
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Thanks for giving all the sources on the Seed Destiny article. —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearchertalk 08:04, 18 August 2009 (UTC) |
Thankee. I'm not done yet with them ;) There are still items from the Kodakawa catalog, few that require someone who know a bit a Japanese to tell what it is. (very not subtle way to inform Mythsearcher that he may be called for contribution) --KrebMarkt 08:17, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Feel free to show them, if my poor Japanese can be of any help. If not, I guess the WP:Japan people can help as well. :P —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearchertalk 08:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- I'm done with any thing that contain the words Gundam & Seed in the Kodokawa catalog feel free to give a look at some items which i'm still puzzled about. The craziness is that each refs will be eventually be used somewhere to prove existence of the said item. --KrebMarkt 09:49, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Worth merging?
Should we merge Azumanga Daioh Original Soundtrack, Volume 1 and Azumanga Daioh Original Soundtrack, Volume 2 to Azumanga Daioh#Soundtracks, with a collapsing tracklist? —Quasirandom (talk) 14:23, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- Better merge into Azumanga Daioh Soundtracks and expand with the others released CDs. The current Azumanga Daioh#Soundtracks section is dense as plutonium with for each sentence the double in citation & reference. I find this section indigestible :(
:For UK release, for what i can remember the news of the English re-licensing started from an UK blog/website with a Yen press staff member interview or indiscretion. Commentators discussed afterward of a possible UK release prior a North America one.
- Edit: Confused with Yotsuba&! Sorry. But still the probability is high. --KrebMarkt 15:07, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- I will probably add it to my awfully long to do list
- Off-topic comment: A team is fansubing the Aria Drama CDs. That how extreme some fans can be ;) --KrebMarkt 15:02, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- Subbing an audio track? Oy. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:30, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- A still image on the background (aria artwork) and subs for the audio track. Just fall on it today :)
- Check hidden comment in that discussion & remove it afterward. Thanks
- --KrebMarkt 16:37, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- List of Azumanga Daioh soundtracks? We really need to hammer out proper naming conventions for these things... =P 「ダイノガイ千?!」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 18:58, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- That was just a suggestion of name like Azumanga Daioh discography :p --KrebMarkt 19:08, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- How many different naming styles do we have examples of? List of Air soundtracks, Death Note original soundtracks, Discography of FLCL, List of Gakuen Utopia Manabi Straight! albums, List of Haruhi Suzumiya character song singles, List of Hayate the Combat Butler character song albums, Kimagure Orange Road CD List, List of Suzuka music, List of music from Di Gi Charat, My-HiME soundtracks, Robotech music, Rozen Maiden Drama CDs, Tsukuyomi: Moon Phase CD collections - it seems most of them are variations of "List of X [soundtracks/albums]", and a good part of the problem, I think, lies in the fact that the lists can cover one or several of multiple closely related media types. Actually, out of that whole list, I'm probably most partial to "Discography of X" - don't ask me why. 「ダイノガイ千?!」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 19:27, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- That was just a suggestion of name like Azumanga Daioh discography :p --KrebMarkt 19:08, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- List of Azumanga Daioh soundtracks? We really need to hammer out proper naming conventions for these things... =P 「ダイノガイ千?!」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 18:58, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- This is madness, No this is Animanga :p
- Need to reach a consensus on how to handle animanga music and not just the spin-out article name but set of guidelines on when to spin-out a list, when to spin-out a single or album apart and their contents. The one to raise the issue is most likely the one to be bestowed the honorable duty fix those article. So everyone are artistically side steeping with that issue. The are probably more soundtracks & soundtracks lists articles than list of episodes or list of chapter out there. --KrebMarkt 20:39, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, that's probably why no one wants to confront the issue. Poking through the category is on my to-do list, and one of these days, I think, I'm going to force the issue at WT:ANIME to finally get all this stuff worked out. ;P Other than that, I've been adding lists to the cat as I find/think of them; haven't bothered much with individual albums/soundtracks/CDs/whatever though. 「ダイノガイ千?!」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 21:13, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- Yikes, that's a lot of name patterns in use there. To be honest, I'm not sure which one(s) to use. Given that non-franchise lists (that is, the releases of a musical artist) tend to not be called a list, but rather a discography, I'm kinda inclined to follow their lead. But -- and but.
- If you guys open a discussion in WT:ANIME, I'll do my best to contribute meaningfully. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:19, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- I have no definitive plans of starting such a discussion (as in, no set timeline), but it's something I'll ask about *eventually*, unless someone beats me to it. In the meantime, I've been busy elsewhere recently. 「ダイノガイ千?!」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 21:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
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- I know that i will be eventually be drafted into an animanga soundtracks taskforce but fixing soundtracks is very time consuming. We are going to talk a lot to reach a guideline + MoS. People will scream Creep because we will have a specific MoS but we are not talking about an artist but a franchise and rarely byproducts can be that successful see K-ON#Reception. --KrebMarkt 22:01, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- Some prospective because i feel like it tonight, too talkative but that the longest discussion thread i had in my talk page ever :p
- Animanga has roughly 5 types of lists
- List of chapters & volumes
- List of anime episodes
- List of characters
- List of soundtracks (or whatever you call it)
- List of drama CDs
- Out of the 5, we managed to make FL out of 3 of them. The fourth is class B at the highest and if you read my above comment doing a list of Drama CDs is no more an impossibility because people started to fansub them (extremely doubtful that publishers will license them) and i discussed with Dinoguy1000 a template variant to handle them. I excluded radio CDs because they are not notable as a list.
- I hope someone someday will do a Big Five with one FL/FA in each category. --KrebMarkt 22:01, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- You are nothing if not ambitious. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:35, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Red Colored Elergy
Interested in making Red Colored Elergy into DYK substance within 5 days of creation? I'm having preparations for exams at the moment so I will do it later, same with all other article creation requests. Extremepro (talk) 12:12, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
- Your exams first. That one has too much potential to be overlooked and for once it's not a mainstream manga. Drop me a line when you start the party.
- Good luck for your exams. --KrebMarkt 12:23, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks. The exams won't finish until end of September so yeah... Extremepro (talk) 21:30, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
- I'm going to make the article around 19:00 UTC/ 7am UTC tommorow. Hope it becomes DYK substance within 5 days of creation. Extremepro (talk) 10:10, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
- Start furbishing weapons... --KrebMarkt 10:49, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
- I'm going to make the article around 19:00 UTC/ 7am UTC tommorow. Hope it becomes DYK substance within 5 days of creation. Extremepro (talk) 10:10, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks. The exams won't finish until end of September so yeah... Extremepro (talk) 21:30, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
<outdent> Article created!!!! Extremepro (talk) 00:19, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
- Now that the article is created, what should be a good tagline for DYK? Also I'm not sure how to deal with Eddie Campbell and Adam Stephanides' reviews - I'll leave them to you. Extremepro (talk) 09:08, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
- I'm on it. That what happen when we have more materials than brains to digest & integrate harmoniously into a single section. I think a footnote on Adam Stephanides's RS nature is warranted as he didn't present himself as such in his blog unfortunately. --KrebMarkt 09:17, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
- How about "Adam Stephanides was a reviewer for The Comics Journal"? And this review gives me a 404. Extremepro (talk) 09:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
- Noticed the 404. The blog is under re-organization but i manage to go around the issue see http://billrandall.net/blog/?s=red+colored+elegy, need to scroll down a bit thought :( --KrebMarkt 09:51, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
- How about "Adam Stephanides was a reviewer for The Comics Journal"? And this review gives me a 404. Extremepro (talk) 09:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
- I'm on it. That what happen when we have more materials than brains to digest & integrate harmoniously into a single section. I think a footnote on Adam Stephanides's RS nature is warranted as he didn't present himself as such in his blog unfortunately. --KrebMarkt 09:17, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Shaman Warrior
Hey KrebMarkt, if you're looking for a bit of a change of pace, would you mind looking into creating an article on the Shaman Warrior manhwa? There seem to be plenty of English reviews ([4][5][6], just from the first page of G-hits), and according to the back cover, it's one of the top five best-selling Korean epics of all time, and has apparently won the Korean Culture & Content Agency's 2006 "Best Manhwa of the Year" award (both highly suggestive that there's plenty more coverage in Korean). I also have a chapter list for it at User:Dinoguy1000/Redlink series chapter lists (though I still need to add the first four volumes, and I can't seem to find the series on Haksan's website). Thanks in advance! 「ダイノガイ千?!」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 18:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
- *poke* 「ダイノガイ千?!」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 16:41, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- Aïe Aïe Aïe Aïe Aïe ...
- I will do it just i want to take my time. One opportunity to use your Awesome Korean manwha infobox template. --KrebMarkt 16:46, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- Heh... You mean this? TBH, it's not really my work any more; J Greb (talk · contribs) maintains it now (as he has since it was merged from Template:Infobox manhwa and Template:Infobox manhua). ;) 「ダイノガイ千?!」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 18:11, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
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Extremepro (talk) 08:18, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
- Replied on my page. Extremepro (talk) 09:08, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
- Replied again. Extremepro (talk) 09:34, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
- Created hook on DYK here. Extremepro (talk) 09:58, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Just spotted
I just saw on Dinoguys talk page that you mentioned the EVA soundtracks. I have a partial sandbox I started a while back, so I'm happy to help at some point in the future if you want some collaborative assistence. I know I'm more likely to finish it if I have help :p Dandy Sephy (talk) 20:55, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
- When i will finish to verify (and not revamping) all the DBZ soundtrack stuff here, i will probably give you some help. I just hope i won't be drafted for the forgone anime soundtracks clean-up :( --KrebMarkt 13:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- Well you aren't making that easy by handling the DBZ monstrosity. I'm in no rush, as I'm focused on finishing Love Hina above anything else, and don't have a reliable net connection at home yet anyway. I'll keep it in mind and do some more work on it when I have chance Dandy Sephy (talk) 14:08, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think any of us are looking forward to an anime soundtracks cleanup drive. It's something that needs to be done, but we're all probably so scared of it that no one will step forward and just get the whole thing started. =P 「ダイノガイ千?!」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 16:40, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- Well you aren't making that easy by handling the DBZ monstrosity. I'm in no rush, as I'm focused on finishing Love Hina above anything else, and don't have a reliable net connection at home yet anyway. I'll keep it in mind and do some more work on it when I have chance Dandy Sephy (talk) 14:08, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Where exactly did you find the image of the Japanese xxxHolic cover? Because it appears to be darker then it should and is darker then my Del Rey Manga edition (which I've considered scanning and replacing this image with). —Farix (t | c) 17:38, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- Feel free to replace it. Thanks. The issue is probably coming from how the cover reflect light, matte or glossy cover. Japanese & French Ed. are matte absorbing much light :( I don't know for the Del Rey Ed. --KrebMarkt 18:16, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- I switched it to an image from Amazon. Unfortunately, I had to upload it under a different name do to a bug. —Farix (t | c) 22:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
- Currently only admin can replace a file with another version under the same name. That why i drafted Dinoguy1000 into it. See Bugzilla:20677. I very fine with the image you uploaded, even shinier than what Dinoguy1000 upload for me. --KrebMarkt 04:55, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
I went ahead and deleted the old image; we're all in agreement here, so I really didn't see the need to wait the full week. =) 「ダイノガイ千?!」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 16:27, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
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Alone in My King's Harem
I've only been able to find another review by Ed Chavez for MangaCast, which doesn't seem to be online any more. It's of an age to be in Manga: The Complete Guide, but apparently that doesn't count much towards notability. But on the upside, her My Only King may be notable... --Malkinann (talk) 23:51, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
DYK for Red Colored Elegy
JamieS93 20:21, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
List of Asu no Yoichi! episodes
Can you suggest improvements to List of Asu no Yoichi! episodes on its FLC. Thanks. Extremepro (talk) 04:44, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Popotan ref help
Seems live archive.org's stupid policy of retro-actively blocking dates is causing problems. There are a few references on multiple Popotan articles that are affected by this in my effort to get these articles up to a GA topic. List of Popotan episodes, Popotan and List of Popotan characters. Specifically the air dates for Popotan in Japan I am most concerned about.陣内Jinnai 20:15, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
- That --KrebMarkt 20:47, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, but I already knew about that. It didn't suffice when I brought it up as a FLC.陣内Jinnai 00:52, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
Change 123 reference help
I'm trying to esablish notability for this article and after talking to User:Dinoguy1000 he said ur the guy I should go to. So can you help me establish this Change 123 article?