Talk:Norinco

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Moved from main article to here until reliable and current sources are provided:

Norinco has numerous U.S.-based subsidiaries, including Beta Chemical, Beta Toys, Larin, and Forte Lighting. Although disclosure requirements and Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) differ in China compared to American and Western publicly held corporations, Norinco's earnings in 1994 were an estimated $31 billion.

has nothing to do with 500 tons of VX precursors; the subject is accounting transperancy, disclousre, and estimated revenue. nobs

No one said anything about precursors. The above paragraph was moved here because it lacks a reliable source citation. What is the source for the $31 billion figure? FYI - When Forte Lighting is contacted directly, they confirm they are not a subsidiary, never have been, and are privately owned. 165.247.221.163 08:50, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The following information, and linked source, does not specifically implicate Norinco. In fact, the source cited at the link given doesn't present any connection between Norinco and China's SinoChem Corporation - the actual source of the chemicals. See [1]

In 1998 a Norinco subsidiary in Hong Kong sold Iran 500 tons of phosphorus pentasulfide, a component in pesticides and high-performance lubricants. This material, while not an illegal or controlled substance under the CWC, is also considered a precursor in the production of some V-Series nerve gasses such as VX. China has since voluntarily added phosphorus pentasulfide to its list of controlled chemical exports.

cia.gov conference reports says "Norinco front company in Hong Kong". Is this the source in question? --nobs

That is not a source. That is a report. That report cites Con Coughlin, "China Helps Iran to Make Nerve Gas," The Sunday Telegraph (Internet Version), May 24, 1998, transcribed by FBIS, FTS 19980525000796. as its source. As stated above, the source cited at the link given doesn't present any connection between Norinco and China's SinoChem Corporation - the actual source of the chemicals. See [2] 165.247.221.163 08:50, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Dubious text, not backed up

I've made the "Work, Import or Export, and Corporate Progress" sound a lot less like some Sinophobic rant (Chinese war machine, gargantuan [yet not a patch on other arms companies across the world]). I've also removed some unreferenced text (Chinese workers, apparently, love their job producing arms - I doubt anyone has actually asked a single worker, since they no doubt have NDA and other censorship pledges due to the nature of their job).

To be honest, much of the text in that section has no reference, and is clearly written by some enthusiast/paranoid idiot (spelling mistakes aplenty, superfluous words that portray a cynical tone to the whole article) - might as well remove it completely.