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Hatred & Religion

No mention of recent bombings or racial hatred... a strange ommission. CCKKAB

Strange indeed! Mention of the bombing (bombings? which?) should have been there. As for RACIAL HATRED, (did you mean communal tension?) a source of your remark would really help. This ommission/omission whatever it is should be fixed. Wikipedia crusader (talk) 14:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Format

I have made the images smaller to improve the format of the article and to help with easy readability. This also removes gaps in the text. The article looks neater. Someone complained that the pictures were meant to be seen. You can still see the images, if you want to see more click the image. Also someones blind revert also deleted some of the other contribs that I added to the article in the sports section. With the previous format, I believe the images took up a lot of room and in some cases overlaped the article as well. I also think the person who reverted my format may have uploaded some of the images so there might be some personal bias involved on his behalf. --Ad@m.J.W.C. 00:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

There is no edit war just trying to improve format, I think images at this size fit in quite well--Ad@m.J.W.C. 07:33, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Another thing, the images are no smaller than what you would see in a gallery. Why dont we transfer them to a gallery at the bottom of the article.--Ad@m.J.W.C. 12:48, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Please find me a featured article (which represents what all articles are supposed to be like) that has such small images...these images are TOO small!... they are meant to be seen easily. Nikkul 00:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

HOW TO CONTROL THE TRAFFIC IN HYDERABAD

PLEASE POST U R IDEAS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.174.147.112 (talk) 04:48, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Irrelevant topic of discussion for this article.Abhishekmathur (talk) 06:44, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Dravidian civilizations

Wiki Raja 11:22, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Hyderabad misspelled in Telugu

హైదరాబాదు "hyderabadu" was written. I changed it to the currently official name, which is Hyderabad హైదరాబాద్

'Bhagya Nagaram'

'Hyderabad is also known as Bhagya Nagaram' by whome? I'm placing a cite tag to this statement... --hydkat 11:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

By Whom? It is known as Bhagya Nagaram among the sons-of-soil of Andhra Pradesh i.e. Telugus. Practically every telugu/andhri who had schooling in Andhra Pradesh knows it. I have nonetheless provided a citation. Satvahan (talk) 23:50, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Are you saying that Bhagya Nagaram is the Telegu name for the city, also about this edit, I believed that the analogy with Istanbul that was stated in your edit was incorrect, both Byzantium and Constantinople are very well known. The name change to Istanbul occurred only in 1930. However Bhagya Nagaram seems a little more complex, the etymology section states a "popular theory suggests that after founding the city, Quli Qutb Shah fell in love with and married a local Banjara girl known as Bhagyamathi and named this city after her, Bhagya Nagaram. ... Upon her conversion to Islam, Bhagyamathi changed her name to Hyder Mahal and the new city's name was correspondingly changed [to] Hyderabad." Was this actually its former name or folk etymology? Pahari Sahib 22:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

First of all Satvahan, Bhagyanagaram and Hyderabad were both names taken from the same person. This fact is mentioned in the etymology section. Besides it was called Bhagyanagaram only for a few years before Bhagmati converted and changed her name. This is also mentioned in the article. As far as your sons-of-soil theory is concerned, I have never come across any of my friends from AP reffering to it as Bhagyanagaram--Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 04:26, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Bhagyanagaram was indeed the name of the city. Some buildings in the Osmania University still retain the old nameplates with Bhagyanagaram on them. Maybe I'll get a photograph. Is that valid proof for editing Wikipedia articles? Naveen Kumar Molleti (talk) 11:26, 21 June 2008 (UTC)Nav11aug

We are not denying that Bhagyanagaram was indeed once the name of the city. The question is : how long? I do not have any source which give the exact years(please see if you can find some?)but one thing is clear: that Bhagyanagarm and Hyderabad were names taken from the same person. When she married the prince he changed the name of the city to Bhagyanagar. When she converted , he changed it to Hyderabad. The span could hardly be a max of 5-10 years? This is unlike Mumbai where the name Bombay was used for more than 2 centuries. Your suggestion that some names in Osmanaia university have names is certainly interesting. But then how old is OU? Not more than 150 years I guess? So the names could not have existed from Bhamati's days :-). They are probably named after the old name as a cultural expression,or merely to make it sound more exotic. I have seen a small lumber shop named Bhagyanagar... in Hyd. For instance Karnavati Express goes to Ahmedabad which was previously know as Karnavati. That doesnt mean that the train has been running since pre -Islamic rule, right? --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 11:53, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I would like to state that I am after the truth not to create controversy or animosity as am sure all people should be. I have given references and questioned the doubts and given the explanation. Since you yourself have given a reference which states it is one popular theory. Therefore I acknowledged it earlier and now let both versions stand till a solid, indisputable and conclusive proof is given. I don't understand the logic of deleting the literal translation which is a FACT with references to look and check for oneself. I don’t think/can't understand the logic why Bhagmati would be given a male name or title by Muhammed Quli Qutub Shah who was or even decide to give herself a male name or title with a male attribute? It may be the answer or vital part of the puzzle. Also since there is another reference to the naming of the city and its reason (The ruler's family were Shia Muslims of Arab origins where the Caliph Ali is revered and modelled the city planning on Iranian city of Isfahan also a FACT) with the alias Baghnagar referring to the city of gardens as per planning comparable to most Islamic architecture and planning during that period (e.g. Cordoba and Mughal) which also a FACT. I am not denying that Muhammed Quli fell in love and married Bhagmati as maybe the case also. It may also be that the city was previously known as Bhagyanagar or Bhagyanagaram. So therefore I have let the other version stand and also if you look at my paragraph acknowledged the theory(also acknowledging other popular theories though questioned as unlikely) unlike where you have just deleted my theory ignoring and dismissing it completely which is by no means original or new and definitely merits attention.Realway (talk) 13:51, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for finally discussing the matter. We are not here to "create" the truth or to do our own resaerch. Once you read through th WIkipedia policies you will understand why the literal translation is not valid. Who decided that this literal translation was the real name of Hyderabad. SOme scholar?, no you did. Anybody can come up with litteral translations like say for instance "Bombay" means the "city of Bombs" :-). Can you prove that eminent scholars agree on this literal transaltion. If yes then it becomes a Reliable source and we will definetely add it. --Deepak D'Souza

Peacock Terms Tag

Please provide the exact words that may be considered as peacock terms and whether their removal is required. This will help in the removal of the peacock terms tag.Abhishekmathur (talk) 21:58, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Maybe City of Nizams and City of Pearls can be regarded as peacock terms, as there is no explanation as to why these terms can be applied to Hyderabad? Satvahan (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 23:09, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

No, those two terms are unique to Hyderabad. The city of Nizams is obvious since the Nizams were the former rulers and were the richest persons in the world giving a sense of royalty. The city of pearls is also fairly true since it has a old, large and reputable pearl market. I am more concerned of superlatives being used extensively in the article.Abhishekmathur (talk) 06:42, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Article too long

The Article covers several sections too extensively despite the sections having their own separate articles. For example the Information technology section has too many company names in it as well as rumors! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhishekmathur (talk • contribs) 01:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Followup: It would be better to summarize the sections which have separate article in a few lines.Abhishekmathur (talk) 06:47, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

population stats

Hi editors, please come up with official population figures for hyderabad as well as greater hyderabad. The figures currently on the article looks a bit over exaggerated, especially the population of greater hyderabad which claims to have 9.6 million. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cephas 405 (talk • contribs) 15:42, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Someone the Person (talk) 22:01, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I updated the population figures for both Hyderabad and Greater Hyderabad which I'm assuming is the greater metropolitan area (quite a while ago actually). I'll be keeping an eye on this for anybody that just changes the figures blindly or without adding an alternative reference. I have an inclination that someone changed it to 9.6 million and all previous population figures are not official population figures. 5.4 mil for a population for 2001? Highly unlikely from World Gazetteer which uses data from Census of India and this. Urban India: Hyderabad Population. Elockid (talk) 15:45, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Name

Shouldnt the title be Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh ? I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 21:44, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

no the title of the page should be hyderabad india because it is more informative to global readers. Nikkul (talk) 22:45, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Muslim Population

According to 2001 census there are 6.7 million muslims in AP and hyderabad has around 5.7 million people.so if there are 40% Muslims then it should be around 2.3million in Hyderabad city alone ,what about muslim population in nizambad,karimnagar,mahabubnagar etc., .this looks like highly exaggerated.

--Neal007 (talk) 04:32, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Merge Proposal

It has been suggested that Tourist attractions in Hyderabad be merged with the section Tourist Attractions in the article as half of the Tourist attractions in Hyderabad exists in this section. Some of the material in Tourist article has to be cleaned up and the rest must be merged to this section. Please write your opinions below. --Srinivas 04:46, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

• Support Although the list of tourist sites is long, it does not call for a seperate article. --Deepak D'Souza 12:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose The section here will be cleaned up fully. If tourism is popular/crucial, it gets a section. No listing otherwise. Look at other featured metros, they dont have such lists of tourist spots. similar list has been split out of Bengaluru, Mysore, Delhi, Kochi, Trivandrum. just look at Tourist attractions in Bangalore. Tourist attractions in Hyderabad would also be like this. Hometech (talk) 12:51, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree. The list of tourist attractions is too long to be included in the main article. The present article is around 59 KB long which definitely calls for an article split from the sections. The tourism article can also include general stats on tourism in hyderabad city and the steps taken to promote these sites. All this information in detail would be superfluous to the main hyderabad city article.Abhishekmathur (talk) 05:46, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I also agree . The attractions is *a* different article . There should be a small description of tourist places. And if we are writing all of them in the main article we will be forced to decrease the content of that section . And writing tourist attractions in the main article in my opinion is beyond the scope of hyderabad article . It should be restricted to 7 - 15 lines and then a link should be given to the attractions article. Pavithrans (talk) 23:26, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Hyderabad population table under Demographics section

I'm proposing for the deletion of the table of historical populations under the Demographics section. The link to source doesn't even work so it could have been changed to original research over the months or whatever time frame. Furthermore, the validity of the table is questionable. Here's the reason. The 2001 census for Hyderabad recorded 3.68 million and not the 5.404 million figure.

Sources:

• Asiarooms
• World Gazetteer

Although not directly from Census of India's website (2001 census data doesn't seem to appear on their site). The sources listed above give about the same figure for the 2001 census. World Gazetteer provides data from the 1991 census and onwards but doesn't provide any data from any further dates before 1991. The data from World Gazetteer which seems to be using data from Census of India and it definitely does not match the table either. It is very unlikely that Hyderabad had a decrease in population as most sources point to an increase in population for the city. If deleting the table isn't the answer, then how bout changing it to a source that works like the World Gazetteer? Elockid (talk) 14:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

The 5.404 million figure for the city of hyderabad in 2001 would not be valid as per the current jurisdictions. The Greater Hyderabad Municipal Corporation was formed in 2007 by merging the surrounding areas with the city jurisdiction. Now as per the 2001 census, the GHMC lists the population as above 60 lakhs(6 milllion)[1]. This is the local city government of Hyderabad and thus a credible source. Thus the 3.68 million figure is obsolete. The new table could include a column if the population was for the former just Hyderabad City or for the current Greater Hyderabad. This would eliminate the need for checking up on the population of the surrounding villages in census surveys prior to 2001.Abhishekmathur (talk) 05:59, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Urdu

Urdu is very much an Indian language, it originated & flourished in India. As per Clause 7 of ANDHRA PRADESH OFFICIAL LANGUAGE ACT-A BILL, Urdu shall be used in addition to the Telugu language, certain areas of the State for such periods as may be specified by notification. and principal languages of AP are Telegu & Urdu

Chowmahalla Palace

Picture shown for Chowmahalla Palace in History section is not Chowmahalla Palace. It is Mysore Palace picture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.249.47.164 (talk) 18:59, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Neutrality

I tagged this article as non-neutral, and I was asked to explain why.

I am concerned that some of the language in the article is not encyclopaedic and tends towards a certain point-of-view which is not supported by a broad range of reliable sources. Some of these facts are unsourced, and others are from a single source that may, in itself, be non-neutral.

For example: if one newspaper article says that it is "The most wonderful city in the world", that does not mean that we should publish that as a 'fact'; I expect we could find another reliable source that says that it is NOT a great city. We need to keep balance.

The use of weasel words and peacock terms adds to the problem

Specific examples include this (noted here with tags);

• Like many Indian cities, Hyderabad has witnessed a remarkable growth in the real estate business, thanks to a predominantly information-technology-driven boom in the 1990s and the retail industry growth over the last few years which have spurred hectic commercial activity.

Other non-neutral, peacock/weasel/unencyclopaedic opinions include;

• "the leading destination for IT"
• "a vast array of companies"
• "numerous Fortune 500 Corporations, with the majority related to IT"
• "Indian IT giants such as HCL"
• "Buses plying in and around the city provide major commutation for city dwellers"
• "an unprecedented increase in the number of passengers" (air)
• "high passenger and cargo transits"
• "important destinations"
• "a cosmopolitan society [...] while maintaining ancient culture and traditions"
• "an important seat of learning"

...these are examples, which I hope help to illustrate the problems. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  14:38, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Language specified above has been corrected and/or provided with reliable sources. Please tag only the sections where non neutral language is still present. Tagging the entire article leaves the impression that the basic facts of the city/most of the sections are non neutral. The culture and cuisine section can only be provided with sources that are reliable yet are non neutral. Many sentences in this section including the part of a cosmopolitan society with ancient culture have been explained in the following sentences about the traditional dresses with the modern infrastructure which have citations. I propose the removal of the non neutral tag for the entire article and placing it only for the most appropriate sections.A 22:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC)