Talk:Miami

Accuracy of Ranking

How accurate is the article reporting Miami ranks third in Skysrapers?--Redspork02 (talk) 03:05, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

If the site is determined to be a reliable source, then its rankings can be included (we don't judge accuracy, we judge reliability). I do not know the cited source, and I cannot judge whether it is a reliable source. I will note that the site describes an objective procedure for assigning the ranks. If you are aware of a reliable source that provides a substantially different ranking, then that can be cited as well. If it uses a different methodology, then the article should explain that the rankings are based on different criteria. -- Donald Albury 15:34, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Contradiction

"In 2008, Miami was ranked as "America's Cleanest City" according to Forbes Magazine for its year-round good air quality, vast green spaces, clean drinking water, clean streets and city-wide recycling programs.[12] In 2008, Miami was also ranked the 3rd-richest city in the United States and the world's 22nd-richest city in a UBS study.[13]"

"According to the U.S. Census Bureau, in 2004, Miami had the third highest incidence of family incomes below the federal poverty line in the United States, making it the third poorest city in the USA, behind only Detroit, Michigan (ranked #1) and El Paso, Texas (ranked #2.) Miami is also one of the very few cities where its local government went bankrupt, in 2001.[40]"

This is very contradictory. In reality, Miami is probably the poorest city I've ever lived in. Someone should fix this.

Not contradictory. A lot can change in 4 years. The 50 some skyscraper condos they've built in the last few years are apparently full of rich people.

Not to mention that the sources could have used vastly different metrics for determining wealth. For example, the UBS study may have been based on total wealth, whereas the 2004 Census Bureau may have assigned its rating based on the number of residents below the poverty line. Were this to be the case, there would be no contradiction, but instead a display of the disparity between the rich and poor in the city. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1kain3 (talk • contribs) 17:57, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Cuba

This section doesn't speak in depth about the disastrous Cuban immigration that destroyed a once fine city.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.109.13.174 (talk • contribs) 20:49, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Richest city in the United States

The quote in the intro reads:

"In 2008, Miami was also ranked the 3rd-richest city in the United States and the world's 22nd-richest city in a UBS study"

To start out, there has been an update for 2009, and Miami is now ranked #1 U.S. and #5 in the world.

Using this new ranking, well, Miami is clearly not the richest city in the United States (not in the top 100). It's not the richest metro area (ranked 132 out of 280). It's not the richest large city. It's not sitauated in the richest county in the U.S. (not ranked in any lists back to 2000). We know this for a fact.

You can't just have a random study proclaim this and have it become fact. Look at the study they just picked cities at random - 73 in the world to be exact. Other large metro areas conspicuously missing from the list are Dallas, Philadelphia, Houston, Atlanta, Washington D.C. and Boston. San Francisco is missing too. I'm pretty sure all of these cities have higher household, family, and per capita incomes than Miami. I'm positive. And for metro areas, I find it difficult to believe that Washington, D.C., Boston, and San Francisco don't have significantly higher incomes than Miami.

Look at the methodology. It mentions purchasing power. I have a hard time believing that Miami beats out Atlanta, Dallas, and Houston in this regard.

I don't think you can even salvage the statement. It was a random survey. You could say "richest ... in a random survey" but what good would that be? Ufwuct (talk) 01:58, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Removed "In 2008, Miami was also ranked the third-richest city in the United States and the world's twenty second-richest city in a UBS study.". Ufwuct (talk) 02:00, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

• I will be restoring it, but rewording it to make clear that there were only 73 cities in the list, only four of which were in the US. And a UBS survey is not "some random survey"; UBS is an enormous and extraordinarily influential financial services company, and their rankings are not something thrown together by an anonymous Mountain Dew-fueled college student. In any case, the study covered only four US cities, and New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles are all far more expensive than Miami, which is why Miami comes out on top. (Remember that Florida has no personal income tax, not to mention lower housing and transportation costs; it is possible to get around Miami without use of toll roads, and the state gas tax is not breathtakingly high.) As to Houston, Atlanta, and Dallas being lower cost cities, that is possibly true, but they were not included in the survey. (I suspect that the four cities chosen were selected because of their prominence in the international financial markets.) There's nothing dubious about it. Horologium (talk) 02:22, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Accuracy of the Music section

DJ Khaled and Ace Hood should not be listed under the Music section because they're not from Miami. They are not born, or raised, or currently living in Miami. Having DJ Khaled under there is acceptable to a point because he works on 99 Jamz, but Ace Hood is unacceptable. Only people from Miami should be listed like, Trick Daddy, Trina, Pitbull, and Luke. Please change this because this is an encyclopedia and should be as accurate as possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.43.118.128 (talk) 06:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Why the hell wont they fix it!? Its not hard at all to correct and what thats person is saying is fact. Change it!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.232.37.238 (talk) 18:44, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I think there is a broader problem with that sentence. What does it mean that an artist is "out of" Miami? --Scaletail (talk) 15:21, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I think I can answer that question for the original poster. An artist "out of" Miami means somebody that is not born in Miami, raised in Miami, or living in Miami. Ace Hood is not born in Miami, or raised in Miami, or lives in Miami. I really have no idea why he was ever listed in the music section, it makes absolutely no sense. Also, just for verification purposes, I live in Miami and are heavily involved in all the music business that takes place here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.230.41.102 (talk) 23:43, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Nicknames

MIA, The Bottom, The 305. (I don't hear Magic City much, but i believe it is a correct nickname) Basketballer1042 (talk) 04:54, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Find reliable sources that use the term, and they can be added to the article. Horologium (talk) 11:11, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, you are right about those nicknames but I thought they are going to be changed because they still have not fixed the music section as the above person has noted a long time ago. And yes M.I.A. or MIA how ever you want to put it, The Bottom, 305 or The 305 are also nicknames but there is also The Cocaine Capital, Land of the Haze, 3rd World Country, Party City, Sexiest Place on Earth, Money Is A Major Issue, Capital of Latin America ,Gateway to the Americas, Little Cuba, The Fifth Borough, Rock Bottom, M-I-Ya-Yo, and Capital of the Americas but some of them might just be used at a rare occurence, even though Capital of the Americas, Capital of Latin America, and Gateway to the Americans sound like nicknames Miami would have. By the way The Magic City is still used by us Miamians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.232.249.45 (talk) 09:24, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

One of the nicknames I have seen quite a bit in the local paper is "The Gateway to the Americas." This is something the local politicians are rather fond of saying, particularly when talking about trade deals. http://www.miami-airport.com/html/archieved_press_release_185.html (page 7) 1kain3 (talk) 18:09, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Crime Rate Table

The Crime rate table needs to be corrected. The numbers shown are total numbers, not per 100,000. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.3.235.203 (talk) 16:07, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I removed the table, pending some discussion. The IP editor above is correct. The problem with the crime table is that it is set up to provide crime rates (crimes per 100,000 people), not crime numbers (raw data). This is something that is coded into that template. The FBI's Crime in the United States charts (part of the UCR, Unified Crime Reports) only report numbers of crimes, not crime rates. As a population figure is included for each year's report, we can easily calculate crime rates, but there is a risk of being accused of synthesis. I'd like to see if we can come up with a (policy-based) consensus on how to deal with the crime figures. FWIW, the FBI's own charts might be a better source than the charts from the Sun Sentinel, which might end up disappearing behind a pay firewall. The FBI data for cities in Florida is here. Horologium (talk) 15:57, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Another table does give per 100,000 inhabitant numbers, but only for the metropolitan area. --Scaletail (talk) 15:09, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

There is no Neighborhood map

there needs to be a Neighborhood map i live in Akron ,Ohio and theres neighborhood map for my city. why no map for miami showing the neighborhoods? i also Noticed that theres a map of Chicago illinois Neighborhoods on its page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.164.107.144 (talk) 02:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

There is an entire article about the neighborhoods of Miami, entitled Neighborhoods of Miami, and that article has a map. That article is linked from this article in the section entitled "neighborhoods". Horologium (talk) 03:21, 20 November 2009 (UTC)