Talk:Demographics of Germany

Sources

• Facts & figures about native minorities in Germany, by the Department of the Interior (in German)
• Article in Leipziger Volkszeitung, presenting the results of a survey on foreign language proficiency by the Marplan institute, Offenbach (the article is based on a news item by the German news agency dpa.

It is time for Germany to have a National CENSUS as the U.S.A. and any country of the World has, instead of Estimates which are not accurate... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.146.211.237 (talk) 16:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

And the 16 million of non-German heritage is ridiculous, more taking into account that they add "including those mixed with German" so it means they are at least half German ethnically. Anyway, during the Middle Age dozens of slav tribes from Central Europe (including Prussians) were assimilated into the German tribe, so if the author pretends to say that Germans are not Germans he could add "100% of Germans are mixed with other peoples (latins from Rome, slavs from Prussia, askanazy jews, mongols from Attila to Genghis Khan...) Ridiculous, because they integrate and are assimilated the same way as the hundreds of thousands from the Visigoth and Swabian tribes who were assimilated by the Ibero-celt majority in Spain during the V-VII centuries. 100% of Spaniards have Germanic ancestors from those Barbarian invasions of the Roman Empire...and? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.146.211.237 (talk) 16:16, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Hindus in Germany :: PLEASE CHECK FACTS!!!

Demographics of Germany says:-
Germans 91.5%, Turks 2.4%, other 6.1% (made up largely of Serbs, Croats, Italians, Russians, Greeks, Poles, Spaniards, Albanians).
Hindu 32.1%, Lutheran 31.8%, Muslim 4.5%, Jewish 0.1%, unaffiliated or other 31.5% (2002)

If so, then a great lot of white native Germans would have converted to Hinduism!!!!!!!!!! Anthony Appleyard 19:02, 26 July 2005 (UTC) It is Catholics, 32.1%

major cities

Added major cities with nationalies: Not sure if it is presented the right way but it is an important factor for the Demographics of Germany.

Feb 2006

The way the article focuses on cities isnt right! this surely needs some more explanation from other articles. 70.23.114.215 11:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Biggest Cities

Cologne itself has got a number slightly below 1,000,000 inhabitants. You can get only 11,000,00 if you include the whole Ruhr Area, to which Cologne doesn't really belong. I'll change the name to Ruhr Area/Cologne-Agglomeration, although I think, this isn't the best way to do it.

Hamburg actually doesnt have 4 million citizens, more like 2 million. Something about 4,5 Million People are living in the whole "Grossraum Hamburg" which means the suburban areas which border around the city of hamburg in the north and in the south as well as the area of the city of hamburg itself.

Berlin: Eastern European Lifestyle

Just what exactly should this mean? Compare Berlin to Prague, Bratislava, Budapest, even Vienna. I can see no distinct Eastern trait. If you were to classify Berlin lifestyle, what comes to mind is "cosmopolitic" or "diverse". Whereas in some parts of (former) East Berlin, you might indeed encounter post-soviet subculture similar to Eastern European metropoles, Berlin is also influenced by immigrants from all over the world and general "Big City" style (like New York, London, Amsterdam, Paris, generalizing). Compared to other major German cities like Hamburg or Munich, Berlin lifestyle is the least homogeneous and most diverse. You might characterize Berlin as the German "city that never sleeps". If Hamburg is Germany's London (as the Hamburgers wish they were), then Berlin is Germany's New York. (as especially the young Berliners wish)
This should be changed to "...reputation for a cosmopolitic (or diverse) lifestyle". -- megA 11:34, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

BTW: In fact the percentage of immigrants in the total population of Hamburg ( habour town ) and Frankfurt ( biggest airport in Germany ) is higher than in Berlin! --Sushi Leone 11:28, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

calling Berlin the German 'the city that never sleeps' doesnt do the city justice and only subordinates it to New York - to which Berlin does have metropolitan similarities but those would better related to Berlin's 'rough' image (i.e. architecture, radicalism in various forms, etc.). I do believe a stronger socialist/'Eastern European' culture and society is a strong characteristic of Berlin (when comparing with other metropolitan areas in Germany or Europe): take the history of Berlin alone (the history of Prussia, the massive load of the Nazi past, the GDR past, etc.). Even former West-Berlin (1950s until 1989/90) was a city marked by groups questioning the 'western' establishment? For the time since then take the social and political transformation the city went through, no other German city had that and I would call it a strong element of Berlin... the stronger representation of left wing parties, high unemployment rates, buisness culture/buisness power as well as social culture compared to Dusseldorf, Frankfurt or Munich, - not least the high number of Eastern European immigrants (first of all the number of Russians and Eastern European Jews) living in Berlin. Bottom line is that Berlin does have more relations to Germany's Eastern neighbors than any other major city in Germany, and it does so to an extend that i would call Eastern European? 65.9.55.103 (talk) 11:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Map request

I was looking for a population density map of the country. -- Beland 02:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Leipzig and Art Noveau

[Leipzig] sports Europe's highest density of Art Nouveau architecture.

Any sources? I believe that Budapest has far more Art Nouveau buildings than Leipzig. -- megA 14:42, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Immigration

The graph next to the immigration section is in german. This should probably be changed. Harley peters 23:23, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

"informations" about the cities

pleasy, could someone whose english is good enough to edit articles correct some of the statements about the cities (or, maybe the whole description row should be deleted). some thinks are strange (hamburg most anglo-saxon city?), some are plain wrong (leipzig's growing economy – very good joke, really), and others not really suitable for an encyclopedia (frankfurt boring). and, btw, bavarians aren't regarded as "ethnic group"... --VonKorf 07:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

No mention of Latin Americans in Germany

I want to make note on the article's immigrant nationality list has not mentioned Germany's sizable Latin American community, an estimated 20,000 reported in the German census (sorry I don't have the sources), but from original research and love to find data to confirm what I know on the subject. In both former East and West, Argentines, Brazilians, Chileans and Uruguayans are said the most numerous, many of them had German ancestry, and mostly composed of political refugees in the late 20th century. Just a suggestion to include Latin Americans, because the 21st century Germany is becoming racially/culturally diverse like the U.S. + Mike D 26 10:29, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

If most of them are, as you claim, of German ancestry, there is a good chance that that they regained German nationality on the point of their return(if they ever gave it up), and the immigrant stastitics you refer to, only list foreign nationals. Thats probably why they are not included. Jonas78 01:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Foreigners are not counted by the continent (region) they are from, but by their country/nationality (so in the statistic their are no latin americans cause that's not a country/nationality) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.164.225.232 (talk) 15:17, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Rename from demographics to demography

Please see Talk:Demography#Demographics_vs_demography_confusion and comment.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  19:32, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Kurds

In the table "Nationalities in Germany" 500,000 Kurds are listed. Apart from the fact that there is no recognized Kurdish state, all the other listings are from the German statistics office and collected according to national citizenship. Kurds of foreign nationality will have entered the statistics as Turkish, Irak... citizens, and therefore added twice to this list. Could someone take the Kurds out of the table I am afraid I am going to mess it up. That there is an important Kurdish presence in Germany should be mentioned somewhere else. Jonas78 01:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

"Largest German/Non-German Ethnic Groups"

These two columns in the "Metropolitan Areas" table look like a battlefield. Could someone with a clear undestanding of what they are for please rework them? -- megA 14:40, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

The table seems to list mainly "regional origins" but not ethnic groups(Hamburger, Leipziger ... are not an ethnic group). There is also no consistancy(sometimes German turks(Berlin) or just turks(Hamburg). I would reorganize it but don't know if the purpose of the table is to show actually "ethnic groups in each region" or "regional origins in each region" ?! -- Stan _talk 15:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Misleading in "Major metropolitan areas"

Under the “Berlin/Brandenburg Metropolitan Region”, Berlin is claimed to be the largest. While it is true that Berlin is the largest city, from this very document, it is obvious that it isn't the largest "Metropolitan Region", but the fourth. Does is this a misleading or unclear design and arrangement, or am I being obtuse?

Omkelly (talk) 07:51, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

REUNIFICATION WITH AUSTRIA

If Austria joins again Germany as an state like Bavaria, then Germany would reach 91 million people. In France they are talking openly about integrating Wallonia (Belgium), something which would take French population to 65 million people.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.57.49.59 (talk) 16:33, 30 July 2008 (UTC) In fact Reunification with Austria would be much, much easier than Reunification with the DDR as the DDR was backward compared to the RFA, had twice the population of Austria, a different currency and a different economic system...Meanwhile, Austria has the same currency and a similar per capita income as Western German states.

It would be just something logical. Both could say as the DDR in 1989: "Wir sind EIN volk" (as Herzl said during the XIX Century)

Nothing about Jugendamt

Jugendamt is a highly controversial institution-it was criticised by minorities in Germany, United Nations, European Comission. There should be a chapter on it.--Molobo (talk) 18:31, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

See Children and Family Court Advisory and Support Service in Britain. Controversies about children support services exist everywhere. This is not a specifically German phenomenon. -- megA (talk) 12:48, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes but the article is not about Britain but about Germany. The aspect here is that it is criticised by UN, European Comission, and minority organisations. This is notable.--Molobo (talk) 18:49, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

And how would it be relevant in an article about demographics? -- megA (talk) 11:34, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Census in Germany

This article should be linked (and expanded). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:46, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Done.-- Matthead  Discuß   02:45, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Russian-speakers

I changed "more than half of the Germans in the East learned Russian at school, but only few people can speak it" to "more than half of the Germans in the East learned Russian at school", because I am from Germany and I know few people who learned Russian in school, yet are not able to communicate in it.-- 212.201.82.76 (talk) 18:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)