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Hi there! To keep the flow of conversations, I like to keep threads on one page where possible. So, if you post a message here, I'll probably respond to it here. Conversely, if I post a message on your talk page, you can respond there if you wish; since I've edited your talk page I'll have it on my watchlist. Thanks!

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Note: To any interested parties. This is my only account, there are a few minor edits under my static IP address 87.127.178.158 and my work IP address (but that is shared) 193.113.135.87

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Take a look at Category:Years of the 19th century in India, a whole bunch of pages should be deleted because the same reason as 2009 in Afghanistan, lack of context. Qajar (talk) 05:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleting articles serves no educational or archival purpose at all. People like you need to go away. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.149.229.51 (talk) 09:27, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It depends on the page, e.g what purpose does 1811 in India serve that could not accomplished better and easier to maintain with a category? If people make pages that do not follow the guidelines, then they cannot complain if the page is tagged by a user for deletion.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:24, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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alpha gamma nu

thanks for changing it to underconstruction, as well i saw you added a comment about that page that it was founded in 1953, but that was actually the date that the current "headquarters" or fraternity house was built. again thanks and i appreciate your input. Kevin Merchant (talk) 00:08, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. The date came from a quick google search which gave me http://www.unl.edu/agn/ as the first hit.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:15, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Talkpage contributions

WHOIS will show the location of the ISP . I will check that out in future, It might have been a coincidence but at the time it seemed to be worth mentioning, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 23:44, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It fools a lot of people, we Brits like to be different (I suspect it's cheaper for BT not to enable it!). It always fools the US web sites that try to place "local" adverts on a page - it thinks I'm (87.127.178.158) in Telford, when I'm over 150 miles away.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:49, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Brandon Walton page

Hello Ron,

I am new to Wiki. Please help me by providing feedback to help me with getting my article published and approved.

Thanks Best Regards, —Preceding unsigned comment added by B2uproductions (talk • contribs) 01:45, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the comments already on your talk page, also look at WP:YFA.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 02:06, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stephan Pastis

Re: the edit that you reverted with the comment "Reverted addition of dubious unsourced content". That actually wasn't random vandalism, at least not exactly. The source is the 23 November Pearls Before Swine strip, in which Rat vandalises Stephan's WP bio by inserting that false information. See Talk:Stephan Pastis#Info on high school and tattoos should be added. Just in case you were wondering WTF that was about. Thanks for reverting. -- Zsero (talk) 07:01, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Very interesting. I do remember that it was an odd edit that someone had made, but one sees so many weird tricks and edits by vandals that I'm never surprised any more...  Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:21, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kyiv and Luhansk

What is wrong with Kyiv and Luhansk? This is a correct transliteration of Ukrainian into English... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.230.29.53 (talk) 00:51, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The edit made the introduction text not match the page name any more. I would suggest that before your change the text that you get consensus to change the page name first, then all the data will be consistant.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:55, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for explanation. How can I change the page name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pashko 2 (talk • contribs) 01:07, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We don't actually change the page name - we move the page (along with it's talk page) to a new name, and the old page then becomes a redirect to the new page (thus no links get broken). See WP:MOVE for simple moves, if you think that the move may be controversial then you can suggest the move by following the guidelines at WP:RM. Please read those pages and decide what process is best.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:21, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copy vio

IMO there is a lot more copy vio than that, I suggest having a bit more of a look, if it is still there I will look some more tomorrow, similar written text all uncited...mmmm.? Off2riorob (talk) 03:12, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That was the text that matched a search. There may be a little more similar, but the web page is far smaller than the article, so there has to be a good amount of unique text.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 03:15, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I had a bit more of a look and the rest seems to be fine, thanks. Regards. Off2riorob (talk) 03:23, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps I over tagged it I am just getting used to the correct templates to use, but at least it got some attention. Off2riorob (talk) 03:25, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
At least you did find perfectly matching text. It had to be addressed.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 03:26, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 03:27, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My Name is Khan

Hello Ronhjones - I wonder if I could seek your input. The My Name is Khan article, about an upcoming film, is subject to frequent vandalism. Awhile ago, I put in a request here: Wikipedia:Requests for page protection but did not receive a response either in terms of accept or decline. This film has received a great deal of publicity for quite some time and so I think the article is worth some kind of semi-protection. I would appreciate your feedback on the topic. Regards, -Classicfilms (talk) 17:13, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot see any entry at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection, I did see an entry at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents on 11th August. Unfortunately, if there is no more input on that thread for 24h then it gets archived - which is what has happened - archive. I see 20 or so reverts over the last 2 months, and now someone has just added links to (probably) copyright violation trailers... (reverted).

Should you see a lot of IP in the future then this is what you need to copy and paste into Wikipedia:Requests for page protection 

==== {{la|My Name Is Khan}} ====
'''Semi-protect''' - high level of IP vandals to this page ~~~~

- just after the {{Wikipedia:Requests for page protection/PRheading}} line
I'll do a week's protection for now, and see how it goes - often vandals will find some other page to play with and don't come back.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 17:57, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies. I'm not experienced with these requests and mixed the two up. Yes, that is what happened - I was hoping that someone would make the observations you made about protection due to vandalism which is why I thought that is what I had asked for. Anyway, I appreciate your advice and suggestions and the week's worth of protection. I will follow up. Regards, -Classicfilms (talk) 18:03, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No problem - suggest make a copy of the code above and save as a text file on your PC, ready for future use - this section will be automatically archived in several days, and you will have to hunt for it there! (if you want to copy to your user page, then edit this page and copy from the edit window, so you get the "nowiki" parts as well, otherwise it won't work.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:08, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You are very helpful, thanks so much. I was thinking the same thing, so I went ahead and copied to one of my talk archives (with previous posts related to this film). Thanks again, -Classicfilms (talk) 18:30, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whois

Hi, regarding your comment on the Stedman Pearson article the other day, to use Whois for location identification, I had a look one two three four and these four ip look to me to be totally identical, would you please comment regarding that..as I am quite new in looking at these Whois reports would you please comment as to what are the clearest identifiers in the report and what specifically is conclusive, if and when you have time, no worries..no pressure. Off2riorob (talk) 20:51, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a little confused - those links are all for the same IP address (bad cut and paste?) - I assume you mean the 4 address on the talk page. Personally I always use this site - thus:
http://whois.domaintools.com/79.66.101.199
http://whois.domaintools.com/89.168.119.97
http://whois.domaintools.com/80.41.94.201
http://whois.domaintools.com/80.47.55.228
as I have found that it always works with all IP addresses worldwide, and seems (to me) to give a little more info sometimes.
The main problem is that for years, we have had only one telephone provider (British Telecom), as it was originally government run. So there's only one main system and all other providers have to lease lines from BT. For various privacy reasons, BT will not link personal user location info to the IP address, so what you "see" as location info is usually where the ISP's main equipment is located. So the user of those IP address could be anywhere in the UK.
E.g. if you look at http://whois.domaintools.com/87.127.178.158 (that's my static IP address) it says the location is Telford, and it would say the same for every EntaNet customer in the UK area.
Tiscali is further confounded (in this case) by the fact that Tiscali initially bought up lots of small ISPs in the early years (1998-2005 or so) - so lots of customers (occasional one can spot slight differences in the whois, depending on the original customer), they then got into difficulties and sold to Talk Talk (so all those whois records may soon start to change to Talk Talk - who are even bigger and have quite an aggressive marketing plans - and now have lots of the UK exchanges with Talk Talk LLU, so have a big market share - hence I would expect to see a good proportion of UK users using Tiscali - even though they are only 13th in the ratings http://www.dslzoneuk.net/isp_ratings.php (and I won't be joining them...) Hope that all makes some sense, if anything is unclear, then let me know.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:18, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes that helps a lot thanks for your trouble, I must have flu posting one report four times. Off2riorob (talk) 23:28, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

For this bit of tidying up. Maybe I'll be able to return the favor some day :) See ya 'round Tiderolls 01:01, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, you seem to have made some enemies tonight...  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

The Userpage Shield
I, Eagles247, hereby award Ronhjones this Userpage Shield Barnstar for reverting vandalism by an anti-Semetic bastard on my user page. Thanks! Eagles 24/7 (C) 01:10, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:12, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

my attempt at putting in a reference

Hi,

Thanks for cleaning up my (brand new to Wiki) attempt at putting in a reference and link to the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_2018_and_2022_FIFA_World_Cup_bid

The reference I wished to add is http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/world-cup-bid-needs-reality-cheque/story-e6frfifo-1225809729751 but I can't get my head around the Wiki editing instructions on references. Be grateful for some help.

The link which apparently was not allowed is http://barklystend.blogspot.com/2009/12/australian-government-supports-foreign.html I'm not sure why - as it is relevant to the issue? Again I'd be grateful for some advice.

Yours,

pH1979 —Preceding unsigned comment added by PH1979 (talk • contribs) 01:19, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To add a ref - use
<ref>http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/world-cup-bid-needs-reality-cheque/story-e6frfifo-1225809729751 TITLE GOES HERE</ref>
place it after the appropriate text (it will show as a number in brackets when saved), but make sure it goes above the References section which will have either <references/> OR {{reflist}} as the placeholder for the references. As for the other ref, blogs are not allowed as references - see reliable sources  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:26, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My Article you deleted

Hello , Im Really Sorry About Mistakes That Happened in this Article ,That Was My First One ,I Wonder if you can edit it yourself and write the needed contexts

this is the link for it http://www.jafi.org.il/education/anthology/english/print/E5B-michtav_learavi.pdf

I Think its going to help many people and explain them Great Scientist And Philosopher "Albert Enstien" Point of view about Arab - Israeli Conflicts and the ways to solve it


Accept My Best Regards

Faisal Saeed Al Mutar —Preceding unsigned comment added by Faisoly (talk • contribs) 02:54, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's just a letter. You will have to decide which article (either present already or to be written) the letter would be useful for. The content of just the letter would not make an article. I would suggest you read the links given to you in your welcome template. You might also like to consider making any new articles in your user space first (i.e a personal sandbox User:Faisoly/Sandbox - I have put the deleted article there for you), where you can work and refine your article to a good quality, before moving it to the main article space.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 03:08, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

Hello, Ronhjones. You have new messages at Talk:Ratings Percentage Index.
Message added 01:47, 14 December 2009 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

MWOAP (talk) 01:47, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ACUA

Hi Ronhjones. :) I notice that you removed the CSD tag from the ACUA article after removing some of the content. However, the article still contained two large paragraphs of text that were blatant copyright violations. Please be more careful in the future when you compare the article to the source. Thanks, Theleftorium 19:57, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that. They changed just enough words so I didn't get a match in searching for short phrases. I'll watch out for those tricks in future.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:11, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. I certainly know what you mean. :) Theleftorium 20:14, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Government College of Technology, Karachi

Hi. The Copyvio on Government College of Technology, Karachi was a compound one with additional material copied from http://www.gctkarachi.com/html/mainlinks/History.htm so the removal of the first section isn't sufficient. Regards. -- Whpq (talk) 00:03, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that. That website was not working properly when I tried to access other pages via the menus. May have been down for maintenance, as it works OK now.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:07, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, the connection may be dodgy as I got some timeouts when I was checking it out originally. Regards. -- Whpq (talk) 00:11, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Editnotice

Hola, thanks for fixing my edit notice request. Just to make sure, I may have found a mistake at Wikipedia:EDN. It says under the instructions for requesting an editnotice to be made:

Another way to find the link for an editnotice is to:

  • Open the edit window of the page where you want to create an editnotice
  • Place this code on the page: [[{{editnotice pagename}}]]
  • Preview the page and follow the link to the editnotice

By following those instructions, the page would end up at Template:Editnotice FarmVille as I did, rather than Template:Editnotices/Page/FarmVille, correct? Thanks, ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 01:22, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've been playing for 30 mins to get it right, that code is not that helpful - you have to put

[[{{editnotice talkpagename))]]
on the main (FarmVille) page - just preview will do, then you get the correct link (Template talk:Editnotices/Page/FarmVille - which is where I had to move your page to. Then I copy the template part to the "template" page. And then protect the template. Whewww... Still it seems to work!!  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:26, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see what I did wrong now. In the [[{{editnotice pagename}}]] template, I replaced "pagename" with FarmVille instead of just leaving the template as is, which is why it turned up all funky. Silly me. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 01:32, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
When I have a free moment I may change the instructions...  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:34, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That would be nice. I'd change it now if I had time, but I've got my biology homework staring at me from my desk. Well, thanks then. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 01:38, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Good luck, I skipped biology, just did chemistry, bad idea, never do a subject that grows faster than you can learn it.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:40, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, biology is certainly a big jump from learning about rocks in middle school. Anyways, Template talk:Editnotice FarmVille should probably be deleted know that it's been moved. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 01:51, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maryum Jameelah

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Thanks. Abecedare (talk) 19:58, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

By all means

'Ave a go, please, seriously can't work it out.

Feel free to delete SB3 if it doesn't work out as I wont need it and only created it for this. Cheers, Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 22:26, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've have a try  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:28, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your help so far Ron, I've got to log out for a bit now though and I'll be back in a few hours. Cheers, Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 23:01, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copy from Main Help

You could copy and modify some code from the Infoboxes templates e.g {{Infobox actor}} uses {{infobox}} which in turn uses {{infobox/row}}. Now {{infobox/row}} is the one that does the display, so that needs to be changed to display 4 columns (and add extra fields), then {{infobox}} needs changing to pass 4 parameters to {{infobox/row}}, then the main template based on {{Infobox actor}}, needs the fields you have in your original one. (Of course when I said "change" - I meant change a copy, not the original infobox template!) Hope that makes some sense...  Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:49, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Damn... was hoping it'd be simpler than that lol, are you saying that if I adjusted (a copy of) {{Infobox/row}} and incorporated it into the template it would stop the grey space showing up? Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 22:08, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Is anything easy to code? :-) Well it works for Infoboxes - if there is no data then the label and data does not show. As for changing the "row" template - that might be easy - change the number of columns to 4 and the final data to data|data1|data2 (I think). If you want a hand drop a message on my talk page, and I'll have a go (at least I can delete anything that doesn't work!)  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:19, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What a Nighttmare

Gave up on the 3 nested templates idea - it wasn't going to work without a lot of head scratching. I think the problem was trying to use data1|data2|data3 in a field, the "|" means different things inside braces! Then I remembered I made a template without all the nested options {{Infobox aqueduct navigable}}, so I've used that as a basis - much easier to work with. You'll see an example of its output at User:Jeffrey Mall/SB. It's saved at {{Infobox FourColumns}}. I've made it general purpose, so that it could be used in other articles - so all the text (including headers) is added on the article page, also allows for one picture (if required) and an "extra" box - full width at bottom. Let me know what you think.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:05, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for your help Ron, I really appreciate it. I'm going to see if I can adapt or incorporate some of the code from either {{Infobox aqueduct navigable}} or {{Infobox FourColumns}} (or both) into what will hopefully become a standardized filmography template. This is for you, in recognition of all your hard work over the past few hours. Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 01:33, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The da Vinci Barnstar
I present Ronhjones with this barnstar for his hard work and determination to aid me in coding one nightmare of a filmography template. Thank you, Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 01:31, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank You. You could just modify {{Infobox FourColumns}}, since you will be the only user (unless someone esle finds a use for one). I've put in 60 lines of fields - I hope that was enough :-)  Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:37, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!

Some lemon cookies in a cup for you! If you are allergic to lemon cookies, please return them for some File:Grasshoppercupcakes.JPG!

Thank you for beating me to reverting vandalism on my own talk page!  fetchcomms☛ 22:58, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, can't beat much tonight - too cold outside (-4C), everyone's on the 'net...  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:00, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Heh  fetchcomms☛ 23:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Congrazzles

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Thanks for all your work in Recent Changes... you even rollback everything before I get there :p  IShadowed  ✰  23:35, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank You. When Huggle is working well, it's not that difficult (I sometimes beat Cluebot on a good day), and the total Huggle revert count of 7 per min at present, is rather smaller than normal  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sutter Middle School vs. Folsom Middle School

I would like to get the page for "Sutter Middle School vs. Folsom Middle School" back. It would mean a great deal to the citizens of Folsom, CA and the debate has been a known event in the community for some time now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fathertime767 (talk • contribs) 23:58, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you want, I will userfy it for you, but it will need some work, quoting reliable sources, before it will last long in Article space (facebook pages are not reliable sources). Let me know if you want a copy in your user space.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:02, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would appreciate a copy of it so that I can edit as needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fathertime767 (talk • contribs) 00:08, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

i am osrry

i am verry sorry i am actally disabled and mum says that i can edit wickypedia becos she is busy with a man in her room! until i am fed

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