Talk:Healthy diet

Comment

I propose that this article be merged with "diet" and deleted. In its present form it is an editorial unsuitable for wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.152.173.36 (talk) 17:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Disagree just needs work.--Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Questionable wording

Tip 4 caught my attention, especially since "evidence" was placed in quotes... Jonberling (talk) 01:31, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Avoidance of excessive saturated fat (20grams recommended limit, although the "evidence" for this claim is forever in debate after the testimony of results provided by the Framingham Heart Study of 1948-1998)

delete everything i say

this article is merely personal opinion which was completely unsourced and potentially dangerous

I agree needs refs. Started adding them.--Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:29, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Delete please

The whole subject of what a healthy diet is, is by nature a subjective one. This page is never going to be more than a list of people's opinions on the matter. Either that or (god forbid) it will just become a direct copy of the official guidelines from the US. 212.248.169.208 (talk) 18:50, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Not at all true. An unhealthy diet is recognized as one of the leading causes of mortality world wide. There is great scientific evidence on fruits and vegetables.--Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:29, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Why are you making assumptions about a "healthy diet" meaning fruit and vegetables? In Australia, the CSIRO recommends fish and red meat for a healthy diet. Atroche (talk) 01:33, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

And doesn't metioned fruits and vegetables? That I cannot believe! ShoesssS ^Talk 01:57, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Improvements

I will make a number of comments on possible improvements, in an informal review, but a more formal Peer review might benefit, feel free to comment.

1. The article should be constructed to compliment Diet (nutrition) not replicate.

2. It would be useful for the article to be constructed in Summary style and thereby link to the many articles already on diet, for instance.

3. The WHO is a good start but what about other national guidelines?

4. Food guide pyramids are often used to define healthy diets.

5. Different recommendations are made for the young and aged.

6. There are other 'essential' diet components such as Essential fatty acids

7. The lead makes mention of diet and chronic diseases, article should probanly have a section in Summary style linking to article Treatment sections of such conditions that specify such health diets.

8. Article should probably have a Summary style section on healthy diets for those with diet specific problems such as Food allergy, Food intolerance, Elimination diet

9. This article should differentiate itself from weight loss diets.

10. Should probably be a seperate Summary style section linking other alleged healthy diets such as Mediteranean diet, Macrobiotic diet, Paleolithic diet etc

All of this would help wikify the Article. Peerev (talk) 22:07, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

What I think would be useful...

I think the best question this article can answer is "what essential nutrients are there that I don't know about, and what is the easiest way to include them in my diet?" So far I know about vitamins, essential minerals, essential amino acids, essential fatty acids, choline, protien and carbohydrates, but I haven't a clue what else is necessary in a healthy diet that I do not know about. For example, you won't find choline in multivitamin supplements, but you need 500 mg a day, and the only foods that contain very much are eggs, bacon, and liver. I won't be eating any liver, and I don't really care for bacon and eggs, so apparently I need a supplement. What would really make this article useful is if it listed everything that is essential to a healthy diet, then listed the foods which are most useful in fullfilling those requirements, meaning foods which contain large quantites of multiple nutrients, but do not contain a lot of calories, are relatively inexpensive, and unlike liver, are things that an average person is likely to actually eat. Then I can be sure that my diet contains everything it needs, at which point I might care when someone wants to tell me what I should exclude from it. Taking the shortcut of "eat a wide variety of foods" and then immediately diving into "here's what you shouldn't eat" doesn't impress me at all.

...but then, I suppose that's not what the "healthy" in "healthy diet" is all about. It seems more like a code word for "I'm better than you," in that people usually only talk about a "healthy diet" in terms of what they think is wrong with someone else's diet. Your average health nut doesn't care if a person gets their essential amino acids, just so long as they avoid that evil red meat. This Wikipedia page should try to be better than that. Science knows what nutrients we need and science knows what foods they are in. All someone needs to do is organize that information into a single article. Then people can learn what nutrients they need, learn what foods provide those nutrients, and only then does it make sense for them to learn what foods to avoid. -- The one and only Pj (talk) 18:31, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I think the best organization would be something like the following.

1. Protein
2. Fat
3. Carbohydrates
4. Micronutrients
5. Alcohol
6. Published diets
   1. WHO
   2. ...

Each section would explain basic requirements as well as healthy and unhealthy kinds/amounts. A.J.A. (talk) 14:24, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Which term covers all, ....or which term targets the public health and green environmentals ???

This topic or the one of Health promoting diet...???

• http://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_q=health+promoting+diet&num=10&btnG=Search+Scholar&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_occt=title&as_sauthors=&as_publication=&as_ylo=&as_yhi=&as_sdt=1.&as_sdtp=on&as_sdts=5&hl=en

I leave it for professional dietitians to elaborate --222.67.214.255 (talk) 04:20, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

A red link in the See also section is associated with the following....

• http://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_q=healthy+eating+index&num=10&btnG=Search+Scholar&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_occt=title&as_sauthors=&as_publication=&as_ylo=&as_yhi=&as_sdt=1.&as_sdtp=on&as_sdts=5&hl=en

--222.67.214.255 (talk) 04:31, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

See WP:SEEALSO: "Please refrain from adding links to pages that do not yet exist (red links)." as well as WP:REDLINK: "Red links are generally not included in either See also sections or in navigational boxes, or pointed with templates such as or , since these navigation aids are intended to help readers find existing articles." --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 21:54, 6

December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, this term perhaps is more appropriate

• http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&source=hp&q=Dietotherapy&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=ws

--222.64.222.219 (talk) 08:51, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

A branch of dietotherapy....

• http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=herbal+dietotherapy&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

• http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=Dietotherapy+%E9%A3%9F%E7%96%97%E6%9C%AC%E8%8D%89&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

--222.64.222.219 (talk) 08:59, 25 December 2009 (UTC)