Talk:Jay Sean

Name Of Music Artist Used In Article

Why is Jay Sean referred to Jhooti repeatedly through this article, the article is about the stage persona taken on by Kamaljit Jhooti in the music business which is Jay Sean.

In the Freddy Mercury Wikipedia article even though his birth name was Farrokh Bulsara, his birth name is mentioned once but thereafter he is called Freddy Mercury.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Mercury

Does the colour of Jay Sean’s skin play a part in the continual reversion by some users of his name to Kamaljit Jhooti?

(Taz Manchester 01:07, 24 March 2006 (UTC))

I think most of the contributors maybe friends or relatives and they know his as "Kam", "Kamaljit", or "Mr Jhooti". Just a guess. Thanks--Sikh-History 20:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

--169.241.28.94 (talk)==Jay Sean Dropped From Virgin Records Label== The article states, "In Feb 2006, he was released from his contract with Virgin Records due to poor sales."

This is speculative information according to: http://www.asiansinmedia.org/news/article.php/music/1239 It could have in fact been the other way around. (Alex Mathews 04:08hiiiiiii, 25 March 2006 (UTC))

Sources?

This article has no sources whatsoever... I'm not an authority on Jay Sean, so can someone please add them. In the mean time, I'm just going to go ahead and tag the article... nothing personal--J.a.f.a.c. 04:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Date of Birth

There appears to be confusion between 26 March 1981, and 27 March 1983 - both of which are currently quoted in the article. My research actually favours 26 March 1979 ! Incidentally, I actually got the following message from a (sadly unknown) contributor, by way of evidence.

Hi Derek, I changed Jay Sean's year of birth (which you initially changed from 1982 to 1981) to 1979. I was in school with him, hence I know (although all the media says otherwise). Thought you might wanna update your database.

Any thoughts ?

Derek R Bullamore 21:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

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-No picture? Boo. What kind of a biography article doesn't have a single picture of the person!? I had to use google image to find out what the guy looks like. --Iateyourgranny (talk) 16:18, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Deal With It?

Why does Deal With It Redirect here? Why not a disambiguation page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelACookII (talk • contribs) 13:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC) TALK ON TO GOOGLE TALK

• Apparently Deal With It is an unreleased album of Jay Sean. It has on it Ride It - City Girl -

Maybe - Workin It - My Own Way - Caught (Snippet) - Why Cry - Follow My Heart - Shame - Ride It (Remix). It was prepared in 2007. But even in the official site, it is not mentioned. "Ride It" was used again in the 2nd official album of Jay Sean indicated on his Wikipedia page. But you are right. There should not be a redirect from "Deal With It" to Jay Sean werldwayd (talk) 18:42, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Who Is Mo.Patel-Professional Assassin (in See Also section)

All the See Also acts do have a connection to Jay Sean, except for the suspiciously named " Mo.Patel-Professional Assassin ". Just exactly who is this getlemen, and what's the relation to Jay Sean? Is it just a prank? When you press the Mo.Patel-Professional Assassin , it goes to an empty page... I suggest deletion of the name Mo.Patel-Professional Assassin, unless a legitimate valid link can be extablished. werldwayd (talk) 21:37, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Are his parents from Pakistan or India?

I'm a hundred percent sure that his family is from India because he clearly states that in the first and second part of this youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZG_y_UlrZg&feature=related. Please look at the video if you don't believe me. Who ever is editing it back to say he's from Pakistan, stop doing it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.208.104.130 (talk) 05:55, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

his family hails from india, please stop changing it to pakistan! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.208.104.130 (talk) 01:19, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

when his family migrated it was not just India it was called British India or Hindustan (Real name of sub-continent including Pakistan and India). So in this Wikipedia article we can say that his from Punjabi family migrated from British India.. this way we won't have any fight... no matter where ever he is from but all i know that is South Asian like me and he is from the same root and same people like everyone else in Pakistan, India and Bangladesh.. Let's don't forget that we just separated only 63 years before and our Grand fathers were from the same land which was knows as Hindustan that time and now its only divided into two countries but we Indian and Pakistani have same faces, same language and almost same culture and have our Grandfathers and our families from one land that was known as Hindustan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Faisalfaisalfaisal (talk • contribs) 17:03, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Citations

I added some footnotes, but this article needs more. Please correct my minor errors. Crokis (talk) 07:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

luv u jay sean xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

British Indian

I have such a huge fan base there, which is very special to me, and India is important to me of course because it’s my roots.... We still hold very traditional Indian values and morals though, which is an important part of our lives.

Jay Sean in July 2008

Not even once has he talked about his "Pakistani roots" and therefore, he is not British Pakistani. Pervez Musharaff was born in Delhi, British India (now in India) but that does not make him an Indian. Similarly, just because Sean's parents came from a town in British India which is now in Pakistan does not mean he is Pakistani.

when his family migrated it was not just India it was called British India or Hindustan (Real name of sub-continent including Pakistan and India). So in this Wikipedia article we can say that his from Punjabi family migrated from British India.. this way we won't have any fight... no matter where ever he is from but all i know that is South Asian like me and he is from the same root and same people like everyone else in Pakistan, India and Bangladesh.. Let's don't forget that we only separated only 63 years before and our Grand fathers were from the same land which was knows as Hindustan that time and now its only divided into two countries but we Indian and Pakistani have same faces, same language and almost same culture and have our Grandfathers and our families from one land that was known as Hindustan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Faisalfaisalfaisal (talk • contribs) 17:04, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Seriously, stop this silly nationalistic attitude. --98.212.30.117 (talk) 14:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Is He Jatt, Dalit or Other Caste

It's not important to me, but some editors here have launched a hue and cry about his caste. Can we ahve a reliable source to confirm it. Thanks--Sikh-history (talk) 08:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

he is a jatt-sikh guy (jhutti is the one of the clan among jatts of punjab).In punjab he belongs to hoshiarpur area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sidhu.0072 (talk • contribs) 06:02, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Nationality dispute

Further to this thread at WP:ANI, I have applied long-term semi-protection to the article to prevent further IP edit-warring over Jay Sean's nationality. I have also altered the text to say simply "Punjabi", since that at least doesn't seem to be under dispute.

I would respectfully suggest that in the interests of article stability this might be allowed to remain unmodifed - it appears that it's only when "Indian", "Pakistani" or some combination of the two is added that edit-warring resumes. However, it's up to the editors here to thrash out a consensus based on reliable sources. Because only new accounts and IP editors are affected by semi-protection; if edit-warring resumes among our regulars here, blocks will be handed out ;) EyeSerene^talk 12:34, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Also nobody is warring over his religion ,so that may be good to add back with the reference that was there,from my side it is not really edit wars but i have to reverse people editting and removing referenced material for this nationality dispute,but i think the sikh family should be added back as it was not under dispute , Regards Information-Line (talk) 12:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

If you look above you can see that there are a number of sources saying he is of Punjabi INDIAN ethnic descent. I believe that this should remain in the article. He is British of Indian Sikh origin. This is important as it delineates his precise ethnicity, and the edit-warring seems to be precipitated by people who want to mischievously and falsely change his ethnicity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.110.152.241 (talk) 17:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

The major point is that this is completely irrelevant. He's British. He's Sikh. He's Punjabi. All three are documented in the article. Which country the area he is from is in now (when he doesn't live there) or then (when he wasn't alive) is unimportant.—Kww(talk) 18:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

When Jay Sean says so many times in so many documented interviews that he is Indian, and he even talks about the importance of his Indian heritage, why is it unimportant? This should not be subject to being excluded due to the malicious editing campaigns of third parties. Wikipedia should tell the truth. At the very minimum, a quotation from the interview source explaining his parents origin in India can be inserted into the biography to give historical context to his origin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweetmangolover (talk • contribs) 20:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

One other thing --- it is important to delineate that he is of ethnic Indian descent because the Punjab region is partitioned between India and Pakistan. It is as relevant as describing whether someone is of Greek or Turkish Cypriot descent for example. This is important. If it was not important, why did it attract malicious and false distortions from mischievous (and falsehood spreading) third parties? There are several documented and sourced interviews for this. I think it should be re-inserted. At a very minimum, so that organised attackers don't triumph in this regard, quite apart from the need for accuracy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweetmangolover (talk • contribs) 20:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Documenting whether someone is of Greek or Turkish Cypriot origin isn't particularly important, either. Discuss the man's achievements and what he's done, not his genetics.—Kww(talk) 22:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

You say that as if his ethnicity and national origin are completely irrelevant to the article when they definitely aren't. Practically every Wiki article about famous people have a section about their origin. 24.184.166.238 (talk) 23:28, 2 August 2009 (UTC)Kaul

His ethnicity is documented: he's Punjabi, and a British citizen, having been born in Southall.—Kww(talk) 23:38, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

You missed the national origin part. He's a British citizen, but that doesn't change that he's a Punjabi Indian and I'm not sure why people are so eager to remove that from the article. 24.184.166.238 (talk) 23:41, 3 August 2009 (UTC)Kaul

Because the city his parents came from is now a part of Pakistan? He is a Punjabi, but not all Punjabis come from regions that belong to modern-day India.—Kww(talk) 12:58, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

According to what source? You repeatedly ask us to provide quotes and sources, so you should have one for that. 24.184.166.238 (talk) 15:40, 9 August 2009 (UTC)Kaul

I'm not aware of one, which is why it isn't in the article. I really don't understand why this dispute is so important to people. There's obviously a dispute, or this article wouldn't have been subject to an edit-war for so long. Right now, the article is neutral as to origin. If someone wants to be specific, they need to provide evidence that the other side is making blatantly false statements. All that takes is a source that identifies the city that his family comes from. For such a hot dispute, I'm amazed that no one can locate such a source.—Kww(talk) 15:58, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

If you're not aware of any source, why are you even debating this, especially when Jay is clearly stated that he's Indian multiple times (like at the India Day Parade in NYC last Sunday). Moreover, if you don't think this dispute is so important, then why so much effort to keep it neutral to appease vandals when they don't have facts to back their claim up? 208.125.28.188 (talk) 15:49, 21 August 2009 (UTC)Kaul

If there hadn't been edit-warring, my attention would never have been attracted to the issue. Neither side has been able to produce a source that would allow a neutral party to describe one side of the debate as a "vandal." The article seems to be most stable in a form where it describes his ethnicity only as "Punjabi".—Kww(talk) 16:02, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

People have provided multiple sources where he states that his parents are from India. A person below gave linked to an interview where he says so, but apparently it wasn't good enough because he doesn't state the specific city lol? With that logic, including that he's of Punjabi ethnicity in the article shouldn't be allowed either because there's no definite source saying where he's indigenous to Punjab (even though he has a very obvious Punjabi name). 128.238.142.69 (talk) 14:24, 15 September 2009 (UTC)Kaul

There is absolutely no source that says that the city his parents come from is in present day Pakistan. This is a fallacy, a lie and a falsehood. There are several sources of him saying in interviews that he is Indian, that his parents are from India and that he is aware and proud of his Indian heritage. It is precisely because there are mischievous people saying he is pakistani and not Indian that this should be included in the biography -- because it is the truth. The comparison with the partition of Cyprus is appropriate. Wikipedia should stand up for the truth, not be cowed down under vandalism. Wikipedia should delineate his precise ethnic background, given that there are already sourced interviews in which he talks about his Indian heritage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweetmangolover (talk • contribs) 03:27, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Can you show me a source for the city of his parents birth? If you can demonstrate that that city is in present-day India, I'm willing to be persuaded.—Kww(talk) 03:41, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Either way saying his parents were born is Pakistan is a falsehood. If they were born in present day Pakistan pre-1947 (which seems to be the case) he they would be Indian, because that was still India then. If you scroll up there are several interviews with him saying his parents are India, so lets keep it at that. The main thing that come out from his interviews however, is, he is British, and he is Sikh, and I think he was born in East London, not West London, Southall, because he attended schools all in East London. London is a massive place. Cheers--Sikh-History 10:38, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

That's precisely why the article shouldn't say he's Pakistani, either.—Kww(talk) 13:01, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Kww, you asked for a source. This is from a newspaper interview he gave in 2008:

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“I can’t wait to do the Indian and South Asian tour,” he said. “I have such a huge fan base there, which is very special to me, and India is important to me of course because it’s my roots.”

Sean studied medicine at the Queen Mary’s School of Medicine and Dentistry in London, but dropped out after two years to pursue a singing career when Virgin records offered him a £1 million (Dh7m) contract.

His parents, both born in India, supported him. “My parents aren’t very conventional,” Sean said. “They grew up in London, so they just wanted me to choose a career that would make me happy.

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Note: both of his parents were born in India.

link:

http://www.thenational.ae/article/20080703/NATIONAL/326774476/1010&profile=1010

There are other interviews on youtube where he mentions that his parents are from India. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweetmangolover (talk • contribs) 13:59, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Also at the beginning of his bio it says "Kamaljit Singh Jhooti better known by his stage name Jay Sean (born on 26 March 1981 is a British Pop singer-songwriter"

Would it be more accurate to describe him as a British RnB / Pop singer songwriter, because RnB is the genre he emerged from and is devoted to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweetmangolover (talk • contribs) 13:40, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem reversing the genre. As for the source, I asked for a source on a precise question. I don't think there is any doubt that the city is parents are from was within the borders of pre-1947 India. Can you provide a source that demonstrates that it is within modern-day India, and not within modern-day Pakistan?—Kww(talk) 14:02, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Kww, respectfully, you seem to have been taken in by the vandals. There is absolutely nothing in the world, apart from the assertion of the vandals, that his parents were born in any of the territory that now comprises Pakistan. Nothing at all. It is internet whispers, propounded by mischief-makers, a falsehood, and a bogus assertion that by some strange convolution becomes the idea that has to be disproved. Whatever the reasons for this vandalising campaign are, jingoistic, chauvinistic or otherwise, the fact is that there are explicit sources, given in interviews with Jay Sean, that both of his parents were born in India.

The Pakistan thing is a red herring completely, a stink-bomb that has been thrown by vandals, that seems to have rendered in the minds of some people an assumption that there is a truth in it. There is not. There is not a single thing that indicates it is anything than a possibly concerted vandalising campaign. Yet there are explicit statements that his parents are from India.

I think that Wikipedia should stand by the principle that vandalising should never be rewarded. It has come to the point that not rectifying this is a victory for them, and a victory against truth on Wikipedia.

Jay Sean is headlining the India Independance Day Parade in New York on August 16th as well Sweetmangolover (talk) 01:23, 8 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweetmangolover (talk • contribs) 01:10, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Just to add to my last contribution, Kww, you say "I don't think there is any doubt that the city is parents are from was within the borders of pre-1947 India"

But there is every doubt about this. The people who have been vandalising on this issue have not provided a single source for it. They seem to have succeeded in planting this meme in peoples mind simply by repeating it over and over and over again. It is simply, a falsehood. And there are categorical and explicit statements by Jay Sean that he is Indian, and that both of his parents were born in India. Asking this question is utterly skewered. It is up to those who vandalise and spread this, to show the evidence. But they can't, because it is not true. And I have to say, I think its become a point of wiki principle now. Vandals should not feel their long campaigns can be rewarded. That encourages further abuse.

Thanks for listening to me, by the way, and thanks for changing the RnB / Pop thing Sweetmangolover (talk) 01:23, 8 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweetmangolover (talk • contribs) 01:17, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about the poor signatures above as well, I'm just getting used to it Sweetmangolover (talk) 01:25, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think I've been taken in by anything. It seems like someone from either side of the dispute would be able to find a source that says precisely what city his parents were from. With that, anyone could look at a map. Until then, I don't really care much which side of the dispute is right, I only care that the article doesn't go back and forth every three hours. As a non-Indian/non-Pakistani, I remain a little surprised that so much attention is paid to national boundaries to define ethnicity, as opposed to the smaller kingdoms that were there before the British colonial era.—Kww(talk) 01:39, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

His parents are both born in India. There is a source from a newspaper interview which I link to above that states that categorically. There is absolutely nothing in the world that says his parents were born in the territory that now forms Pakistan. In fact, it has only been asserted by the vandals that come here. It is being done by nationalist chauvinists who are mischief making. If it is important enough to be a target of vandals, shouldn't Wikipedia hold to the principles of truth and defend that? You say 'there is little doubt his parents were born in a city that comprises Pakistan' but there is every doubt about that because Jay Sean himself says they were born in India in an interview, and there is absolutely nothing in the world that speaks of his 'Pakistani' roots because they don't exist. They are a figment of the imagination of vandals on wikipedia. You take that as the default that has to be disproved, when it is the absolute opposite.....the fact is that he is of Indian descent, and anyone who tries to say he is not needs to find the sourced fact that he isn't, which they won't be able to, because he is not.

I understand you are concerned about it being changed but that is why you have to stand up to vandalism by people changing it to suit their nationalistic agenda. You can simply lock it as it is now, or keep it in semi-lockdown or ban persistent vandals. As for the definition of ethnicity by boundaries, ethnicity comprises many different elements, and the fact that partition of a province took place means that the delineation of his ethnic identity is relevant and important -- he after all places emphasis on it in interviews himself, including the one I have linked to above, talking about the fact that his parents were both born in India, and he takes pride in his Indian roots. And to add to that, he is headlining the India Day Parade in New York on August 16th. I think all of these things are salient, and as a point of principle, and as a matter of truth, you should not bow to the vandals. Thanks again. 91.110.202.99 (talk) 23:09, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok if no one agrees to put India/Pakistan I propose to change it to: "Jay Sean was born in the Southall neighbourhood of London into an Asian family. He is of Sikh Punjabi descent." This will be more specified for now! Because in the reference given in an interview he clearly states he is British Asian. Also he is the first major Asian pop/rnb star so it should he pointed out.(Dewan 13:31, 17 August 2009 (UTC))

Actually, the most important question on this, given that vandals targetted this page mischievously, and even though there are quoted sources about his parents being from India, is how Jay identifies himself. And when it comes to his ethnicity, he self identifies as British, of Indian Punjabi descent. Here is the source, from his biography on his very own website:

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Born and raised in London, England and of Indian/Punjabi heritage, Jay Sean started rapping at 12 and credits rap with helping him structure, produce and write songs.

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I honestly believe that Wikipedia has been the victim of a massive vandal attack and bullying fraud. There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Jay Sean is of Indian-Punjabi heritage. He states in interviews that his parents are from India. He SELF-IDENTIFIES as Indian on his official website. He played the India Day Parade in New York on August 16th. There is not a single scrap of evidence or a source about him having any association with Pakistan -- it is just the repeated vandals who seem to think that repeating a lie over and over again gains some currency.

So, he states in interviews that his parents are from India. He talks over and over again about being of Indian ethnicity. He headlines events like the India Day Parade, and most importantly, he self-identifies as Indian on his official biography on his own website. There really is no doubt in the world that he is of Indian-Punjabi descent, and that he self-identifies himself in this way. So why allow Wikipedia to be bullied and vandalised by liars with an agenda? 91.110.174.169 (talk) 11:48, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Dewan, Jay Sean is from an Pakistani family. His parents were both born in Pakistan. He self-identifies as Indian-Punjabi. He talks about how important his Indian heritage is to himself. Is Wikipedia about the truth, or about compromising in the face of vandals with an agenda? 91.110.174.169 (talk) 11:50, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes I do completely agree with you but one needs to get an administrator to agree. I don't have the power to change anything to Indian even though there is enough evidence that he himself considers himself Indian. That we know for a fact! Try to convince User:EyeSerene or User:KWW. User Talk:Dewan357

Find a source that names the city his parents are from, and show that that city is currently on the Indian side of the border. That's not a really complicated task, and will allow for a rock-solid citation that can allow us to treat the people claiming "Pakistani" as vandals.—Kww(talk) 01:50, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok Manmohan Singh parents are from the region now Pakistan. So do you go to Manmohan article and say his parents are from Pakistan. I don't think so! His parents are from a region of colonial India now Pakistan. Besides KWW there is a consensus that he is Indian and gave reference from him talking to reporters, his website, and other news papers. It is more then enough. There isnt anyone here, besides KWW, who states that he is not Indian. In my opinion the user kww is taken in by the vandals and unfair in the judgement. User Talk:Dewan357

This site [1] and many others clearly says he "British-born Indian singer." User Talk:Dewan357

For the record, I've never said he was Pakistani. I've said that "Punjabi" is sufficient, and that including either "Indian" or "Pakistani" promotes edit-warring. So long as the situation is even slightly ambiguous, the editors that were inserting "Pakistani" can't be treated as vandals, they can only be treated as edit-warring. Unfortunately, edit-warring is a two-way affair, and the good and the bad wind up punished equally.—Kww(talk) 11:03, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

No! as long as the site site remains protected I don't see edit warring between established users. I don't know any established editor who will dispute he is Pakistani. If there is a dispute and the user finds references that he is Pakistani and like we did for him being Indian I personally will remove the fact that he is Indian and put back British Asian. So is it a deal. User talk:Dewan357 ""No!" to exactly what? What is "a deal"?—Kww(talk) 12:26, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

No meaning to edit warring because this site is protected. I dont think any established user here will dispute that he is Pakistani and non established users who may can have their say here in the discussion page. Also if someone finds a reference he is Pakistani I will change it back to British Asian (neutral point of view) from Indian family. So I propose the change to Indian family and the dispute will be solved. User talk:Dewan357

I propose that you leave it alone, as it is accurate, sufficiently complete, and history shows that changing it to "Indian" causes edit-warring.—Kww(talk) 15:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

How is the new edit accurate? You included that his parents are from Jhelum, but you have no actual reputable source saying so. You kept insisting above that a definite source was needed so we can change the article, but apparently that's not the case when you edit it to appease vandals? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.238.142.69 (talk) 14:31, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

It should be noted that Jay is from Hounslow, not just West London. West London is appropriate to retain as an additional clarifier - but not nearly specific enough. The borough is rightfully proud of Jay and shouldn't be shunned by this lack of designation.

Saying that just putting his ethnicity of 'Punjabi' origin is sufficient without mentioning that he is of Indian Punjabi origin, when there are countless, almost endless sources, interviews and explicit statements of this, by Jay Sean shows a real disregard for truth, and sadly suggests that vandals smother truth and proper delineation on this article, which is the direct opposite of what Wikipedia is meant to stand for. It also shows a lack of understanding of history and identity. Jay Sean self-identifies as British Indian. There are sourced interviews and statements for this. His parents are also from India. Again, there are sourced interviews and statements for this. It beggars belief and rationality why this is not part of his biography. He's a Hardcore Pakistani Punjabi Mans for life dis dude might just be from T.P.(Thancliff Park) and 4sho im dis nikkas dukes cuz be his boss 4geyt birdman.

There is no source for the accusation that his family migrated from what is now Pakistan during partition. I think the moderators should insist on a source for that or strike it from the biography on wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.110.190.203 (talk) 14:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Here is an interview with Jay Sean in which he mentions his parents and gives their age. His mother is 51 and his father is 52 years old, which means it is impossible that they emigrated from Pakistan, because they were born almost TEN YEARS after the partition of India in 1947.

It also adds up to another source that states he is British-Indian. There is now absolutely no source anywhere in the world that backs up the vandalisation un-truth that he has any connection with Pakistan, and there are countless sources, interviews, articles and documentation stating that he is of Indian heritage and that his parents were born in India. The misinformation about him having ancestry in Jhelum in what now comprises Pakistan is therefore false, unsourced and does not beloing on his wiki biography. I urge the moderators to amend it. by sweetmangolover

http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/the-ticket/2009/10/jay-sean-talks-to-danielle-law.html

Here is a source that his mother was born in Delhi in India. He literally has nothing to do with Pakistan. These are all falsehoods put around by some people for some reason. The article with the source about his family ancestry is here:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-23770136-jay-sean-could-teach-the-x-factor-contestants-a-thing-or-two.do

When his parents came to England India was an independent country. sweetmanglover —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.110.232.166 (talk) 12:59, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

New Revision is So Cluttered

Jagged 85, you did a great job adding info, but some of it is unneeded. I edited some out stuff such as the Corbin Bleu info and the line saying that MOW was a huge hit in the UK when it wasn't. More stuff needs to go, or at least be moved. The intro is so long and some of the info should be moved to the main article. For an example, the fact that he replaced BEP at #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 really isn't significant enough to be in the intro. Please respond. AyanP (talk) 04:33, 2 November 2009 (UTC)Ayan

Jay Sean's parents are from India. There are countless sourced articles about his parents being from India in interviews on video and in newspapers. Why is the biography being changed to say his parents are from Pakistan? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.110.234.218 (talk) 03:00, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Where was he born?

The article has it as Southall, but there are so many articles that cite as Hounslow:

http://hounslow.hounslowchronicle.co.uk/2009/10/jay-sean-tops-us-charts.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/10/14/so-glad-to-be-jay-115875-21745574/

Or was he raised in Hounslow and born in Southall? Anybody know? AyanP (talk) 04:47, 2 November 2009 (UTC)Ayan

According to Allmusic, he was born in Hounslow, so I'd go with that. Looking at the article, it seems the source being used to verify Southall is this, but it doesn't mention it at all. — ξ^xplicit 04:58, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the response. The original citation for Southall before my edit was this, but that page doesn't mention Southall either. The AllMusic page is already in the reference list so I'll edit and use that as the reference. I also googled "jay sean southall" again just to make sure and every source is pretty much copied off Wiki or says that he was RAISED in Southall. AyanP (talk) 02:13, 3 November 2009 (UTC)Ayan

i dont know where he was born but in 2003/4 (it may have been 5) he came to my high school (before he was very famous) along with juggy d and they did a concert for the school, and he said at the beggining that he went to villiers high school in southall, which was a rival school and that line got booed haha, but maybe thats why theres so many links to him being 'raised' in southall as he spent most of his school life here, i dont know where he was born though —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.214.60.207 (talk) 03:59, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. And yeah, I edited the page to include that he was raised in Southall and added a source. AyanP (talk) 22:48, 9 November 2009 (UTC)Ayan

Read This All

when his family migrated it was not just India it was called British India or Hindustan (Real name of sub-continent including Pakistan and India). So in this Wikipedia article we can say that his from Punjabi family migrated from British India.. this way we won't have any fight... no matter where ever he is from but all i know that is South Asian like me and he is from the same root and same people like everyone else in Pakistan, India and Bangladesh.. Let's don't forget that we only separated only 63 years before and our Grand fathers were from the same land which was knows as Hindustan that time and now its only divided into two countries but we Indian and Pakistani have same faces, same language and almost same culture and have our Grandfathers and our families from one land that was known as Hindustan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Faisalfaisalfaisal (talk • contribs) 17:09, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

His parents were born after Independance. The Daily Mirror interview above states they are aged 51 and 52. This new article states that his mother was born in New Delhi.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-23770136-jay-sean-could-teach-the-x-factor-contestants-a-thing-or-two.do

So the facts are his parents are from India, and they were born over ten years after partition. There can be no doubts about this now. There are numerous sources and interviews stating it is so.

sweetmangolover —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.110.232.166 (talk) 13:02, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Faisal, if what you said was really true, we would have no problem editing the article. This is not an issue of pride or anti-Pakistan sentiment; it's about truth. The problem is that it's not true and is confirmed in interviews as sweetmangolover stated. I think many Pakistanis are taking Rishi Rich's origin and somehow putting it on Jay.

Also, there are a few inaccuracies in your post. First, "Hindustan" is the name for what was the Mughal ruled area of South Asia, which only includes Pakistan and Northern India, not all of the subcontinent. Also, Pakistan shares similar faces and language as NORTHERN Indian states, not all of India. AyanP (talk) 00:37, 17 November 2009 (UTC)Ayan

Please amend the biography at the frontpage. It is consistently being vandalised to say that Jay's parents are from Pakistan when they are in fact from India. (As it happens, Rishi Rich is an Indian Sikh too but that is by the by for now)

There are endless videos, interviews, and newspaper articles stating that Jay is of Indian heritage and his parents are from India. This is beginning to look like racist mischief making and consistent vandalising. Please correct this. Sources for Jay's parents being from India are numerous - sweetmangolover —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweetmangolover (talk • contribs) 03:06, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Jay Sean's parents - consistent vandalisation

There are countless sourced print interviews, radio interviews on youtube, and video interviews on youtube, in which it is categorically stated by Jay himself, and the interviewer, that his parents are from India. We have their names, their age, and their city of origin. And yet, somehow, this page is consistently being vandalised to state that his parents are from Pakistan. Please can assigned editors correct this error and be mindful of it being vandalised in future? Remember, Wikipedia is about truth, and sourced, factual truth. Many thanks. sweetmangolover Sweetmangolover (talk) 03:12, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Not the first Asian artist to top Billboard Hot 100

Japanese recording artist Kyu Sakamoto reached Number 1 with "Sukiyaki" for three weeks in 1963 and held the distinction of being the only Asian to reach the peak until 2009. Someone should change this in the article. Or add that he is the first South Asian artist to do so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukiyaki_(song)