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Flag of Ireland ?

If you take 'Ireland' in the context of the whole of ireland, then it does not have a Flag as it is made up of, two different countries...... Therefore surly the Wikipedia should, actualy read FLAG OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRELAND, being the irish Tri-colour, Green white and Orange, yes orange for the colour blind among us, not Gold. Northern Ireland not having a offical flag since 1972, and use the Union Flag, on government buildings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon5952 (talk • contribs) 17:06, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is recognised as the Flag of Ireland world-wide, and that is what matters to Wikipedia. --Red King (talk) 19:38, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What! So just because a bunch of Irish Americans ignorantly believe that this flag represents the whole island means that we have to wallow in their ignorance?!!! That doesn't sound very much like an encyclopaedia to me!! 164.129.1.42 (talk) 18:09, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Correct, in so far as there is no flag of Ireland. However, this article is about the flag of Ireland. Ireland being both the common and official name of the entity that it is the flag of.
On occasions, for technical reasons, Wikipedia as to dab between one Ireland and the other (e.g. History of Ireland and History of the Republic of Ireland). On this occasion, since there is no flag of Ireland, there is no need to dab and so we can name the article according to the state's official and common name (e.g. as in Government of Ireland). --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid (coṁrá) 20:18, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, the whole island doesn't have a flag. The Republic of Ireland has a flag & Northern Ireland uses the Union Jack. GoodDay (talk) 20:25, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
WRONG - The whole island had the St. Patrick's cross and the flag of the 4 provinces. Of course no flag is going to be used by any state for the whole island, as no single state spans the whole island. The St. Patrick's cross, however, is used by several all-Ireland NGOs, educational institutions, sporting institutions, and the Church of Ireland on both sides of the border. Not only that, but the St. Patrick's Cross is also used by cross-border governmental bodies such as the Commissioners of Irish Lights!!! 164.129.1.42 (talk) 18:09, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The naming of this article is indeed quite disingenuous - the most NPOV title would be "Flag of the Republic of Ireland" - I understand that some Irish nationalists may also consider this an all-Ireland flag, but that is an extremely contentious PoV. The St. Patrick's Salitire is more deserving of the title "Flag of Ireland" than the tricolour, the latter which can only be encyclopaedically be described as the "Flag of the Republic of Ireland". 164.129.1.42 (talk) 21:23, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The result of a very long and deep discussion on the matter of when to use "Ireland" and "Republic of Ireland" are described at the manual of style for Ireland-related articles. These are subject to an ArbCom ruling.
In essence, Ireland is the common name for both the island and the state (as well the states official/diplomatic name). In this case, since the island of Ireland has no flag, there no need to disambiguate between the two "Irelands". --RA (talk) 22:16, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I completely disagree with your sentence stating "since the island of Ireland has no flag, there no need to disambiguate between the two 'Irelands'". The St. Patrick's cross and 4 provinces flags are both undisputedly flags representing the whole island - either of those is more deserving of the title of "Flag of Ireland" than the Tricolour which officially only represents the southern part of the island. The naming as it stands pushes the PoV that the tricolour is an all-Ireland flag - officially it is not. 164.129.1.42 (talk) 18:01, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Talk:Flag of Ireland/Archive 1#2nd Requested move (succeeded) and Talk:Flag of Ireland/Archive 1#3rd Requested move may be of interest. Unless you start a fourth, doomed to fail, move request, I will not be replying further and I suggest nobody else does either. O Fenian (talk) 18:37, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Translation of the above paragraph - "You have a point there, but I have no answer to it. I want the title here to remain as it is because it suits my Irish Republican PoV. If you make any attempt to move the article back to where it was originally I will get a big bunch of my Irish Republican buddies together and shout louder than you (as we have done before) to ensure that the Irish Republican PoV is maintained above all else." 164.129.1.42 (talk) 18:48, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Redundant text in the introduction

The end of the first paragraph of the introduction seems to contain redundant statements:

"...a common interpretation is that the green represents the Irish nationalist tradition of Ireland and the orange represents the Orange tradition in Ireland, with white representing peace between them.[7] The white in the centre signifies a lasting truce between the 'Green' and the 'Orange'.[8]"

Perhaps the last sentence should be struck and the 8th note combined with the 7th, since they seem to say the same thing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87Fan (talk • contribs) 20:23, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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