Talk:Periphery countries

Heads up

I want to give interested editors heads up that this article will likely a become a subject of an educational assignment aiming to expand it and raise to to a Good Article class over the next month or so. This assignment has led to good results in the past, but please note that with the exception of the course supervisor (myself) the new editors who will be working on this article are new to Wikipedia. Any assistance and guidance you can offer to them will be much appreciated, and let's keep this in mind :) Thanks, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:00, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys I posted on Piotr's page stating how we broke up the sections and then I explained in a little bit of depth the subsections i plan on doing. If you guys want to edit and include what subsections you intend on doing please go ahead and do so. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HareJ10 (talk • contribs) 03:02, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Plan for article

- Background (Lou) - How periphery countries form (Rachel) - How periphery countries interact with core/semi-periphery countries (Chris) - How countries rise out of periphery status (Jeremy) —Preceding unsigned comment added by HareJ10 (talk • contribs) 17:53, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

How countries rise out of periphery status

I plan on breaking this part up into a few different sub-sections. The sections I intend on doing are the basic background on possible ways in which periphery countries can escape their periphery status, a few examples of certain countries and how they did this, and how these countries then adapt and take part in the global market. I mainly plan on focusing on countries who have achieved this feat within the last 50 to 100 years in order to give a more modern outtake on this topic. HareJ10 (talk) 18:03, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

How periphery countries form

For my part of this project I am going to first give a basic overview of how periphery countries come to be and reasons that they are so behind, then I will provide some examples of periphery countries from past centuries, then I plan on focusing on more modern periphery countries. - Rachel

Some helpful sources

Hey guys here are some sources I thought would help you guys with writing your parts, I'll try to put which individual section its helpful for in parentheses. The Modern World System (Wallerstein) (all) World Cities (talks mostly about cities, would be good for how the periphery countries form) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.3.18.118 (talk) 03:57, 2 June 2010 (UTC)(24.3.18.118 (talk) 06:01, 2 June 2010 (UTC))

Some Info

Thank you very much Jeremy for those helpful sources.The modern world system article is very helpful. In that article I found some good basic information about periphery countries that I will use. I read that development of technology is one factor used to determine whether a country is periphery or not. The periphery countries are behind because they are exploited by the wealthy, independent core nations. This imbalance of strength and wealth is important in order to keep the system maintained. Periphery countries are also behind because they have no central government or they are being controlled by another nation. Furthermore, periphery nations are known for exporting raw materials to core countries.I also found some information about different time periods. Here is a little of it: in the 1640s areas such as northeastern Europe are periphery nations, at the start of the 19th century Asia and Africa are considered periphery nations. Asia and Africa being periphery nations enabled the United States and Germany to remain successful core nations. -Rachel

Roman - comment from another group

Hey guys it's Roman from the "Great Divergence" group. I'm posting early because I'm going away for the weekend and won't have internet access. I know it's extremely early in your posting so maybe you're thinking what I'm thinking and just haven't posted it yet. I think there are so many factors that lead to being a periphery country and you should mention a few more. Education/literacy levels, natural resources (an abundance that's exploited or a lack thereof, both can lead to periphery), etc. Infrastructure is a bit broad. You guys can mention the factors that make up an infrastructure, though, such as a healthcare system of some sort, transportation routes, reliable currency, etc.

Let our group know what you think needs help! Thanks guys. RomanHarlovic (talk) 15:03, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Patrick - Comment from another group

Hey just commenting on your article. I just wanted to note that periphery and core countries obviously go hand in hand because they are complete opposites. I would check my group's references for information and I think it would be a good idea to check your groups's references too. The information both of the groups need will be in the same place so please pass along any good references you come across. Our group set up the core country page in a chronological order with the different centuries. I am not saying you need to do the same we are doing but periphery countries changed over time and this might be a good way to present who were the periphery countries and hoe they changed through time. Just a thought. Good luck with the rest of your article. Prg22 (talk) 16:20, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

We thought about doing our article like this but decided it would be better to have a short overview of the time line of periphery countries and then talk more about how they develop, interact, and escape in the more modern world system. Also thanks for suggesting your references they are helpful.71.61.47.17 (talk) 19:08, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

Just created this for us all to post thoughts and ideas in one place. I found a listing of the top 10 poorest countries as of 2007. If any of you think it will fit well in your section let me know, if not I will put it in my section. Thanks HareJ10 (talk) 21:43, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Just finished giving all the basic info. on how countries can rise out of the periphery. Still have to add some examples and how these countries adapt to their new status. I also still plan on adding a bit more to each section. If any one has any comments, problems, or ideas please let me know. Thanks.HareJ10 (talk) 23:29, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Derek - Comment from another group

Hi, it still looks like you guys have some work to do. Your reference to china in the 'background' sections seems a bit confusing, since in the 14th century they were very much a core country. You might want to go a little more in depth on proto-industrialization in your 'ways of escaping' section. This is the process by which a county becomes ready to industrialize. Good luck with the project. Derekl366 (talk) 16:47, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Hey group

I hope everyone is having a good weekend. I know we still have a lot of information to add, and I was wondering what pictures we would want to add if we still want to? I think the other groups are doing a great job with their setup and content. After reading a few other group members comments I agree with them that it would be beneficial to take note of what information the core country group is including because their topic is so similar.-Rachel

Yea pictures would still be good. If you want you could just put them up on here (if thats possible) and we could agree on which ones we like the best, or we could just each include ones that we think best suit are parts. Up to you.24.3.18.118 (talk) 00:52, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Luke's comments

Hey guys, make sure you add more sources to the intro, background, and formation sections. I would also add to the background to gain a better understanding of the role periphery countries have played throughout history. I like the inclusion of the way to escape section, although I would name it "ways to advance" to escape a biased tone. It looks like you still have quite a bit to do so keep at it. LBPearson (talk) 01:02, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Hey Group 1! The site is looking good. I agree with Luke - I think you guys might want to have a little more references only because otherwise your info may be deleted. Also, you might want to jazz it up with some pictures or something so it's not so black and white. (I can't really talk though, because I couldn't figure it out - even with a lot of help!) Other than that, I found everything you had to say very informative. I also thought your outline was interestingly laid out. You covered a lot of good points, especially with respect to what we have learned in class. Good job and keep up the good work! See you Monday! AngGor (talk) 02:04, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Chris: Comments

Looked at the core countries page and it looked good. They had moving maps which was pretty nice. I liked how they had the breakdown over the years like we are doing to, it looks nice. I'm going to do my section tomorrow and have it ready for good article submission on monday. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ctn4 (talk • contribs) 01:39, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Lolia: Comment from group 3 member

Hi. Good job so far. I do think that it might be helpful if you choose a country that was once peripheral and illustrate how they became a core nation or at least on the way to being a developed nation. I understand this is still a work in progress but perhaps flesh out the concept of a peripheral country; maybe give more history and discuss how a core country can become a peripheral country and vice versa. I also agree with Roman in his suggestion in broadening and explaining the reasons why and how a country becomes peripheral. Good job and good luck!! Helgacrane (talk) 02:03, 6 June 2010 (UTC)